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Old 10-13-2003, 09:58 AM   #1
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Grow Up Pedro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pedro is the one at fault
By Dan Shaughnessy, Globe Columnist, 10/13/2003

This Red Sox-Yankee playoff, which could still be one for the ages, has at least temporarily deteriorated into a WWE steel-cage match. There's a rumor the Sox have hired Hells Angels to guard the Yankee bullpen tonight.

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Let's not forget that we are here because of the irresponsible actions of one man: Pedro Martinez.

Excluding the Paul Williams-Yankee bullpen ugliness (nobody ever knows who starts a barroom brawl, but it certainly seemed like the Yankees piled on once they had him down), Pedro's the one who got everybody into this mess. Which begs the question: How come Sox stars behave like babies when they are here, then mature when they go someplace else?

Which one would you rather have now, Sox fans? Roger Clemens -- who kept his composure and behaved like a professional Saturday night, winning the game for his team despite his obvious anger? Or Pedro, the baby who hits a guy after he blows a lead, then points at his head and at Yankee catcher Jorge Posada, threatening "you're next"?

Pedro said a few words yesterday and claimed that gesture was actually him telling Posada that he'll remember Posada's angry words. Sure. And he wasn't trying to hit Karim Garcia. And those young women hang out with Donald Trump because they really dig his hair.

Sox fans don't like to hear this, but Pedro was an embarrassment and a disgrace to baseball Saturday. He gets away with it because he's Pedro. And the Sox front office enables him, just as they do Manny Ramirez. Just as they did with Roger when he was here and Yaz when he was here and Ted when he was here.

The tail still wags the dog around here. The Sox have no control over their stars. That's the way it was for Clemens when he was here. Roger had to go elsewhere to grow up. And we all know it took a while.

Everyone in baseball knows what Pedro was doing in the fourth inning. He'd blown a 2-0 lead. The Yankees were kicking him around Fenway. The old magic was gone and no doubt he was frustrated. It can't be fun knowing your team is 9-15 when you start against the Yankees. So what did he do? With first base empty and a righty on deck, he threw a pitch behind Garcia, grazing him in the shoulder.

Then it got worse. After Garcia's slide into second baseman Todd Walker, and angry words with Pedro, the Yankees and Sox started coming out of their dugouts and Pedro made his outrageous threats. (Oh, I forgot, it wasn't a threat. He was actually telling Posada he needed a haircut.)

No. This was: You're next. I'll hit you in the head, too.

Pretty brave stuff when you never have to bat. Pretty good way to take the attention away from the fact your skills are declining and you have trouble beating this team.Notice how none of Pedro's teammates have rushed to his defense? When he puts that tape around his locker, it's as if he's putting himself on his own island in his own clubhouse.

It's interesting that the $17.5 million, 14-game winner is always talking about respect, yet his actions provoke baseball people to lose respect for him. More now than ever. The stuff still plays pretty well when he throws those four-hit shutouts, but there haven't been many of those lately. His ERA and strikeout ratios are still great, but he wore down in both Oakland games and had nothing when it counted against the Yankees. Do Sox fans still feel good about him as their Game 7 starter? Maybe. But not like before.

The weird part is that Clemens was often a big baby when he played here. He wanted everything his way. He distanced himself from teammates. He didn't pitch well in the postseason. Ownership gave him a long leash. His self-immolation in the fourth game of the 1990 playoffs was a complete disgrace. But now he's equal parts Audie Murphy, Winston Churchill, and Cy Young. Why couldn't he have been that guy when he was here? And why can't Pedro be that guy now?

This isn't about Pedro's non-takedown of Don Zimmer. Martinez had little choice in that matter. He was being charged. The photos look bad, but it's unfair to rip Pedro for Zimmer's misbehavior.

But how come Zimm's the only one apologizing around here? Could Pedro one time stand up and admit he's wrong (angry e-mailers get back -- I already admitted I was wrong about David Ortiz)? He can't admit he threw at Garcia, no one ever does that, but could he apologize for losing his head when he pointed to his head? No. He has to reinvent the gesture.

Maybe it doesn't matter to Sox fans, but that fuzzy Cubs-Red Sox World Series may not be America's dream matchup anymore. The Red Sox have done a lot of damage to themselves in the last two days and last night's ridiculous press conference featuring John W. Henry, Tom Werner, and Larry Lucchino only contributed to the madness. In violation of the commissioner's order (don't these guys remember that Bud Selig ordered bagman John Harrington to deliver the team to them?) the three amigos stood up and defended everything that happened Saturday, including Pedro's obvious head-hunting.

The new baby Pedro apparently needs demons in order to perform at his best. Throughout this year, he has found imaginary enemies to inspire his talents. His big complaint is always "lack of respect."

His critics are no longer imaginary. Now that they are real, maybe he'll be the pitcher the Sox need in Game 7.
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anger management.

he should talk to Rocker.
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or Roger, who also has a rep as a head hunter (or is that forgotten now?)
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Roger is mentioned in the article.
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Zimmer is a prick. I'd like to kick all the Yankees asses.

Eventhough a friend of mine has played for the yankees a few times this year... I still hate them.
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"Roger had to go elsewhere to grow up"????
Is Bozo Shaugnessy suggesting Clemens has grown up because of 1 game where he didn't go off his noodle.
Remember Roger threw a bat barrell at Mike Piazza not so long ago. His excuse "I thought it was the ball"...OK Rog, since when do you throw a fielded ground ball at the batter? Why didn't you throw the bat to Tino Martinez?

None of these overpaid overgrown boys are really "grown up", especially Clemens and Manny, thats the unfortunate nature of today's athlete.
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Also interesting that Bozo conveniently says "excluding the Paul Williams-Yankee bullpen ugliness".
Yeah we should just overlook that Bozo. Nelson and Garcia are merely alter boys who had a bad night, and Pedro is the only bad guy on the field.
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Apparently the Yankees can do no wrong.

I hate them!
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Zimmer is a prick. I'd like to kick all the Yankees asses.

Eventhough a friend of mine has played for the yankees a few times this year... I still hate them.

Isn't Mr. Henson going back to football next year? I saw him when the Yankees played the White Sox at the end of the season but by then the reports were that he was going to play football again.
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he should... no offense.

i will never forgive roger clemens for what he's done in the past. remember, i am a met fan...

... but roger had nothing to do with this entire incident. this entire fiasco started over pedro martinez. i'll say this about roger... he'll throw at you after a big homerun, if you're digging in to tight to the plate, if you've taken him deep one too many times (as in the case of piazza). throwing at people is part of the game... always has been. roger does cross the line, though, when he throws at people's heads. pedro seems to only throw at people's heads, and he does it for no reason whatsoever. he'll throw at someone's head as a substitute for intentionaly walking someone or throwing around them. and not only does he throw at them, he then taunts them. he's a dick, and should come back to the national league where he'd have to face his in the batter's box... i have a feeling he wouldn't be as eager to throw at someone's head if he himself had to then face the music the next inning (same goes for roger).

manny ramirez is a real big man... let me tell ya'. he over-reacts to a tense situation when clemens' fastball didn't even come close to his head, and then instead of just charging roger, he brings his bat with him. good job tough guy. and wouldn't ya know... the very next pitch, after the mele is settled, manny bails out on a swinging strike three that was about 2 inches outside. this is the same man who sat out a crucial late season series with the yankees 'cause he had those deadly "flu like symptoms," yet was caught later that same night having drinks with a yankee's reliever in a hotel bar. there's the red sox problems... yeah you mgiht have brought in some tougher guys... cowboy up woo friggin hoo whatever... but your two key players, pedro and manny, are a couple of bitches who look for a way out come the first sign of trouble.

if a 72 year old man charges at me, unless he did something to my family, i'm not fighting him back. and if you can't get away from a 72 year old overweight man with a steel plate in his head without tossing him head first into the ground, then you are a pansy. and if you're not a pansy, then you're just an asshole.
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if a 72 year old man charges at me, unless he did something to my family, i'm not fighting him back. and if you can't get away from a 72 year old overweight man with a steel plate in his head without tossing him head first into the ground, then you are a pansy. and if you're not a pansy, then you're just an asshole.
So you're suggesting he should have run away? How would that look? "Pedro flees from 72 year-old overweight man with steel plate in head". He'd be mocked relentlessly. He did exactly what he should have done. Zimm charged, Pedro ended the "fight" without causing much damage to Zimmer. Pedro could have punched him in the face...then what would we be saying. The guy was just knocked to the ground and got a cut on his head. Boo hoo. If Pedro had have punched him or kicked him or whatnot or actually injured the man, yes I could understand the backlash. But all it was was the guy got knocked down, cut his head, and Pedro won quickly and decisively without hurting Zimmer. It could have been worse.

And anyways, people are forgetting that none of this would have happened if Don Zimmer hadn't taken a run at Pedro in the first place.

Think about it.
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Dave,

The grow up had to do with him throwing at garcia which ultimately was the root cause of the entire debacle!
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None of these overpaid overgrown boys are really "grown up", especially Clemens and Manny, thats the unfortunate nature of today's athlete.
Exactly. I've been out of town and didn't see the whole sick incident, but obviously there's no excuse in the world to go after a 72 year old man like that. It made me ashamed of the Red Sox.

Rivalry aside, they should all just grow up, and have some dignity and class.

Pedro should have gone into the stands after Bennifer instead
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Exactly. I've been out of town and didn't see the whole sick incident, but obviously there's no excuse in the world to go after a 72 year old man like that. It made me ashamed of the Red Sox.

Rivalry aside, they should all just grow up, and have some dignity and class.

Pedro should have gone into the stands after Bennifer instead
Wait a minute....

Pedro DID NOT go after the 72 year old man. The 72 Year old man went after Pedro full speed ahead throwing a left hook. Pedro had every right to defend himself.
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Damn. This is ugly stuff. I love baseball but sometimes I get pissed off at some of the players.
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