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Old 10-13-2003, 06:18 PM   #16
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1) Which team are you rooting for?

55.5% Red Sox

37.6% Yankees

6.9% Neither


2) What best describes what happened on Saturday?

57.2% Disgraceful

42.8% Entertaining


3) Did Pedro Martinez intentionally throw at Karim Garcia?

80.9% Yes

19.1% No


4) How would you describe Garcia's slide into Todd Walker at second base?

52.4% Too late and malicious

47.6% Just part of the game


5) How would you describe Roger Clemens' high-and-inside pitches to Manny Ramirez and Kevin Millar?

60.0% Just pitching inside

40.0% Sending a message


6) Did Ramirez overreact to Clemens' pitch?

87.9% Yes

12.1% No


7) What is your opinion of the skirmish between Pedro Martinez and Don Zimmer?

62.1% Martinez was only defending himself.

37.9% Throwing a 72-year-old man to the ground is inexcusable.


8) Based on what you know, what's your opinion of the bullpen incident in the ninth inning?

57.9% The Yankees viciously attacked a Boston fan for his exuberance.

42.1% The Yankees were rightly protecting themselves.


9) What was the worst incident on Saturday?

28.5% The bullpen incident

24.9% Pedro's throwing down Zimmer

18.4% Zimmer's lunge at Pedro

15.2% Pedro's pitch to Garcia

10.4% Ramirez' reaction to Clemens' pitch

1.9% Garcia's slide against Walker

0.6% Clemens' pitch to Ramirez


10) What do you expect in Games 4 and 5?

71.1% Calmer heads

28.9% More of the same


Total Votes: 52,937
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7) What is your opinion of the skirmish between Pedro Martinez and Don Zimmer?

62.1% Martinez was only defending himself.

37.9% Throwing a 72-year-old man to the ground is inexcusable.
Did Pedro really feel threatened by a 72 year old man? I think not. I only dislike Sammy Sosa more than Martinez...
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Old 10-13-2003, 07:17 PM   #18
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pedro was damned if he did, damned if he didnt

if he got decked by a 72 year old man, then he was the guy who got beat up by an old geezer

if he defended himself, which he did, people say he beat up an old man

he is a bit of a punk, but i dont think he did anything too wrong here
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Zimmer only did it for the drama - this wasn't about a fight, it was about posturing in front of the other team
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It didn't look to me in any of the clips I saw that Zimmer was throwing a left hook, or about to. In any case, there's such a thing as "being the bigger man", in this case a man less than half Zimmer's age. And of losing your gigantic ego (which I think Pedro *might* have ) And what is the story w/ that groundskeeper?

It's just a matter of opinion I guess It's sickening the way the media is hyping all of this, but that's just entertainment of course

The game is starting, so it's time to prepare for heartbreak

I just wish they wouldn't show Bennifer
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Old 10-13-2003, 11:42 PM   #21
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Zimmer only did it for the drama - this wasn't about a fight, it was about posturing in front of the other team
Coach Zimmer was having flashbacks about being struck in the head himself; the rumor is that he has a steel plate in his head; he doesn't, he only had evidence of where the screws were...obviously, a few must be loose by now....but, he was sympathetic to his guys getting hit just like he was a hundred years ago...

And another thing, I did some research...I checked the Civil War indices and found that Nathan Foster, a Confederate soldier, while running toward a troop of Northern infantryman, was the first to yell at the top of his lungs "Yankees suck" back in 1863,,,

By the way, the word has it that Foster was shot dead in his tracks ...anyway..!

Boston in 7...
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Yankees SUCK!

*this coming from a southern gal *
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Old 10-14-2003, 12:13 AM   #23
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This just in...further checking revealed that Nathan Foster was married to a Mrs. Garcia, whose descendents included Sanchez, Gomez, Lopez and Sarabia....hmmmm????

Its also written that the original saying was Jankees Suck!!!!

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actually, i did have an ancestor who was a Confederate Gen.
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I am also related to a General; General Pancho Villa himself!!!

No chit! General Pancho Villa is my grand, grand Tio from the Pueblo de Chihuahua Mexico..

if he were alive, he was also say Jankees Suck!!!
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Viva Mexico!








wait a min, you may be related to me. no kidding, my great grandfather is from that part of Mexico.

















wtf does this have to w/ the yankees/sox match?
those damn mexicans.
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The first baseball classic was the

Chihuahua dogs versus the Monterey perros...

We won!

Orale'

the Mexicans
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i've seriously seen it in replays too many times this weekend to know what to think anymore. everything from hearing the game broadcasted on a ny station with pro-yankee commentating to the espn-cam thing showing zimmer running around the back of the crowd on the field to find pedro. i was happy to see the sox win tonight, that's all i know.

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wtf does this have to w/ the yankees/sox match?
like a group of 8 year olds yelling yankees suck at a UMASS/UCONN hockey game, abosultly nothing...
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Is anyone thinking about the yankees pitchers in the bullipen who apparnatly beat up a gorund crewman. This is what is dispeicalble.
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i dunno... i find it tough to believe that nelson just up and decided to attack a fenway groundscrew member for no reason what-so-ever that's just me.

i worked home events staff durring college. for football games, i was normally a ball boy on the opposing team's sideline, tossing footballs to the ref and stuff. first thing they told you before the game was to keep your loyalties aside and do not get involved in any rooting, fighting, etc. with the other team. i had no problem with this whatsoever, 'cause when you're standing next to a 350 pound O-lineman, ya' don't really wanna piss him off by rooting for the team he's trying to beat. that's besides the whole issue of class and acting professionaly.

if this guy was waving a towel and rooting heavily for the red sox INSIDE the yankees bullpen, then I don't blame nelson one bit for confronting him and telling him to ask. now what happened from there... who threw the first punch? that's all hearsay... if the guy did stop and nelson kept pursuing him and further instigated a situation that could have been handled differently, then i agree... charge him. but it seems that all the witnesses are a bit partial... the boston people all say the yankees were at fault, the yankee people all say the groundskeeper was at fault. unless we have a camera in the bullpen, i guess we'll never know for sure.

as for karim garcia, he shouldn't be blaimed for anything. as a former athlete i can say this for sure... if i all of a sudden turned around and saw one of my teammates in a fight, especially that close to what had become an unruly crowd... i'm jumping in and helping him first, thinking about it later. you always defend your teammates.

and back onto zim and pedro... zimmer was in the wrong for charging pedro like that. he let his emotions get ahold of him, and as a coach he's not allowed to do that. and he has since appologized for his part. on the other hand... pedro instigated the ENTIRE incident by hitting garcia, then threatening to bean posada in the head with a fastball, and has yet to even say a word, let alone appologize. and i still say that anyone who can't stop a 72 year old man from charging without tossing him head first to the ground is a pansy-ass. yeah... he coulda slugged him, and that woulda been worse. but he also could have just held him back until zim either got ahold of his emotions or was pulled away by torre or someone else. buyt hey, that's just me
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