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Old 01-11-2007, 03:39 PM   #76
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i'd have a go at that list of top basketball players but i don't think this is the proper thread... feel free to make another one, and i shall have a go at it
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Old 01-11-2007, 07:21 PM   #77
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tell the eastern europeans that the only basketball they care about is the NBA. i do remember you coming into the basketball thread when the greeks beat the US and whoopin' it up. you seemed to care, then.



i suppose by "real hockey" you're speaking of field hockey, which is a sport played by women in skirts in north america.

ice hockey isn't even that big in the US (so considernig it's not a huge sport in the United States and Gretzky is Canadians, you can like the sport now, right?).


i hope that proves to you that
a) he dominated his sport like no other player in the history of the sport
b) the sport is most certainly an international one.
Thanks for the stats. They are indeed "Bradmanesque" and Gretzky does indeed appear to deserve to be recognised in the same league as Bradman. Maybe he is in fact greater than Bradman? Ice Hockey might in fact be a more difficult sport to excel at than cricket. Who knows?

I was whooping up the USA's failure at last year's basketball World Champs because from all reports, they sent another weakened team to the tournament. To me that smacks of arrogance and if there is gonna be a world cup of some kind, the best team possible should always take part, no matter what the sport. The US should be sending "Dreamteams" to the tournament, like they did for the Barcelona Olympics in '92.

* "ice hockey isn't even that big in the US (so considernig it's not a huge sport in the United States and Gretzky is Canadians, you can like the sport now, right?)." *

What the hell is that supposed to mean? I never said i disliked ice hockey. I just said it wasn't real (or the original form of) hockey....and it isn't. Doesn't make the sport any less of a sport. I might even prefer it to field hockey

That said, despite the popularity that Ice Hockey and basketball might have in Eastern Europe, I seriously doubt whether the appeal of those sports even comes close to soccer in those countries.

...and cricket still remains more internationally popular than ice hockey and basketball. One word: India
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it means exactly what it says.

and noooo... you didn't say anything bad about ice hockey. you compared it to "sitting volleyball" and "underwater rugby," but those were compliments!
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it means exactly what it says.

and noooo... you didn't say anything bad about ice hockey. you compared it to "sitting volleyball" and "underwater rugby," but those were compliments!
Sitting Volleyball is fun.

All i meant is that the greatest individual sportsperson could in fact be someone who is dominant in one of these more obscure sports. It doesn't have to be a footballer, or a baseballer or a track and field athlete or whatever.
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i find it funny how you consider a man who sits in a car for a living to be a "sportsman," but ya don't hear me bitchin'.
If you could get paid that much to just "sit in a car" wouldn't we all be doing it? You have to be in great physical condition to put up with the intense stresses and strains of driving at those speeds over long distances. A fine example being Michael Shumacher who throughout his career took his physical fitness just as seriously as perfecting his ability on the track. Not to mention the high level of concentration required to perform at that level and the risks involved. Why shouldn't they be classed alongside any other sportsman?
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Martina was better than Agassi.
As I stated. (Unless you mean Hingis )
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There's only one Martina and it's not Hingis. She is the best womens tennis player. Agassi isn't even the best mens player. McEnroe, Conners and Sampras were better than him.
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If you could get paid that much to just "sit in a car" wouldn't we all be doing it? You have to be in great physical condition to put up with the intense stresses and strains of driving at those speeds over long distances. A fine example being Michael Shumacher who throughout his career took his physical fitness just as seriously as perfecting his ability on the track. Not to mention the high level of concentration required to perform at that level and the risks involved. Why shouldn't they be classed alongside any other sportsman?
i fully understand that race car driving takes a large amount of endurance and concentration and reflexes.

so does batteling the van wyck at rush hour.

perhaps secretariat is the greatest sportsman of all time. who was more dominant?
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Secretariat works well for me.
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Greatest Sportsperson of all time???? Impossible question to answer but good luck to the original poster in his task!

True Sport is about heart! The level is a little irrelevent. That guy that took god knows how long to complete the 50m freestyle swim in the olympics is a great sportsman. The boxer that rises from the canvas with a broken jaw is a great sportsman. The current UK under 12's squash champion is a girl who lost her legs to meningitis aged 2. The honest batsman who walks when he nicks it to a slip fielder. The footballer that stops a game rather than scores because an opposition player is injured. The players player of the year 1990 King Edward VI school Lichfield - Rugby. Paul Hunter - 3 times Masters Champion who played snooker whilst trying in vain to battle cancer - RIP. MattGadsby who died playing football for Hinckley Town FC. That cyclist fella thatovercame cancer to win the tour de france 7 times. The jockey that overcame cancer to win the National. Michael Watson for completing the London Marathon.

My favourite professional sporting celebrities however are:-

Sir Steve Redgrave - 5 times Olympic champion.
Englands RFU WC winning Squad 2003.
Sir Bobby Moore
Pele
Darryl Green and John Riggins
Phil Taylor (13times world champion or some crazy figure like that)
Stirling Moss
Borg
Gary Shaw (for natural talent)
Shane Warne
Michael Johnson
Daley Thompson
Ali
Duran


I think the only true icons the majority of people will have knowledge of and will mention in their personal top 10 are Ali and Pele.
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Michael Jordan, Alexander Karelin, Roger Federer, Pele, Romario, Diego Maradona, Ayrton Senna, Valentino Rossi, Tommy Makinnen, Sergei Bubka
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When I'm looking for the Greatest Sports Person of All Time I'm looking more at people who have mastered different sports at a top level. On that criteria, it's impossible for me to go past Jeff Wilson.

Arguably the last cricket/rugby double international - but also the youngest of all time at 19. In rugby rated among critics as one of, if not the best wing-three-quarter ever to play the game. Had the international try scoring record for a while, and was a decent goal kicker to boot.

When it came to cricket unlike most double internationals he didn't just bat or bowl, he was an all-rounder - with more than decent First Class stats. According many players/coaches he was the cleanest hitter of a cricket ball they had ever seen - including Chris Cairns.

Add into that, he held national secondary school sprint records and represented Otago in Basketball - he would have to be the greatest All Round sportsman I have seen/heard/read about ever.

Of course Christian Cullen is another option who not only holds the aforementioned try scoring record - but won most high profile Australiasian trotting races as a horse in 1999-2002.
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What about swimmers hmm?

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