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Old 05-13-2002, 06:23 PM   #61
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where has it been confirmed that tucker did threaten peca and/or blake?
Both Peca and Tucker mentioned to the media that there were "things being said out there." Peca pointed this specific threat (about killing) out b/c throughout his career he never heard a threat like that.


When Peca went into detail, he said that Tucker and Corson said that they threatened to kill Blake and "take care of him off the ice."

Look, the only people who know exactly what was said are those on the ice. I take Peca at his word b/c he is a good player, team leader and has much credibility. I am confident that some of the Islanders probably said several dubious things on the ice throughout the series as well. I assume that Corson and Tucker didn't mean what they said. Apparently it was rare enough of a comment for Peca to mention to the media, which he usually works very well(except during this most recent series where his media tactics clearly hurt him and the Isles).
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Now before I start I will admit that I am a very big leafs fan and I am also a big Darcy Tucker fan. Now with that said, I think that Tucker's hit on Peca (on of my favorite players ever) was pretty bad. I also think that Alfredson's hit on Tucker was just as bad. Sure he may be the big star in Ottawa and therefore isn't looked at as harshly as someone with Tucker's rep, but a hit like that isn't called for at any time. Just because Tucker is a goon doesn't mean that he can get hit from behind without a call.

The leafs have been labled as "Cry babies" by the media for what reason? Because they think the officials are calling games against them? I think they are just really frustrated at the way the playoffs are going for them. All the injuries that are hurting them at the worst times. Do you blame them for venting on something like the refs? Don't say you wouldn't do the same. Tucker is one of the leafs best players right now and he knows it, his team knows it, so I don't blame him for being pissed off at the outcome of game 5...not at all!

Now before I get flamed to hell for being a leafs fan (in a leafs topic of all places) I want to say that I will support the leafs after anything they do, stupid or not, I'll be there chanting Go Leafs Go no matter what. Call me biased, call me anything you wish. Just don't tell me that I should be embarrased of my my aging team of free agents because I'm not and nothing will change that. I can think of a number of things I would be embarrased about....my team is not one of them. One of them is how a stadium or Americans can boo the Canadian national anthem just because they hate a team from Canada. Have a little respect!

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I can think of a number of things I would be embarrased about....my team is not one of them. One of them is how a stadium or Americans can boo the Canadian national anthem just because they hate a team from Canada. Have a little respect!

HEY, HEY, canadians booed the US anthem as well!! Don't forget that!!! As for hockey, The game has gotten a little out of hand. There are way too many questionable hits and the league as a whole has to do something about it. Good players are getting seriously hurt and right now, hockey needs some superstars to carry the sport, and they aren't going to get them if the game continues the way it is. Football is an excellent example of a violent contact sport that for the most part keeps the action clean, hockey needs to tighten the ropes a little and start calling penalties.

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the leafs have lost 2, perhaps 3, games on account of bad officiating. not that they wouldn't have lost those games anyway, but to lose on the bad call is what bothers them.
the leafs are complaining no more than any other team. there is a lot of media generated hype that is helping this image along.
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Well, the time is getting closer. 10 hours to game 7. Woo Hoo. Here's to a good game with fair officiating and no career ending injury's!! MBH, I understand what you are saying. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I think it is fair to say that we agree to diagree.

As far as the refs, they boys in blue HAVE lost a game or two because of the call. The funniest thing I have heard about the famous "non call" was that " I guess someone wanted the puck just a little bit more!!"

True, you live by the sword you die by the sword. I am a HUGE Tucker fan. Have been from the Tampa days. His job is to make the other players and fans hate him. Guess what, he's good at it. He is supposed to be the guy that you want to see get hurt.

All in all, with all the injury's, our boys in blue have done a fantastic job. Guys like Roberts are playing with so much heart and soul.

So let's all give a GO LEAFS GO chant tonight and cheer on the buds.

Besides, with all the determination and grit and heart and soul that the leafs play with, I'M POSITIVE THAT BONO WILL BE CHEERING FOR THE LEAFS!!!!!!

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Old 05-14-2002, 12:47 PM   #66
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One of them is how a stadium or Americans can boo the Canadian national anthem just because they hate a team from Canada. Have a little respect!
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Dude, I DID NOT boo the Canadian National Anthem and MOST people did not boo it either. If you wanna label an entire culture b/c of a few minorities, then do so. I would hope that you are smarter than that, though.
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One of them is how a stadium or Americans can boo the Canadian national anthem just because they hate a team from Canada. Have a little respect!

not cool edgeman. the same disrespect was clearly displayed by fans in vancouver.
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Old 05-14-2002, 12:57 PM   #68
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the leafs have lost 2, perhaps 3, games on account of bad officiating. not that they wouldn't have lost those games anyway, but to lose on the bad call is what bothers them.
the leafs are complaining no more than any other team. there is a lot of media generated hype that is helping this image along.
I don't think it is the complaining that non-leafs fans get upset with. I feel that it is the hypocrisy shown by the Leafs players, coaches and fans when it comes to complaining!

For example, in the opening round, every time an Islander player, fan or coach complained, Quinn et al would fire back and say that the Isles should stop whining and that Laviolette and Milbury's complaining is having an effect on the series. That is utter nonsense.

The Leafs bitched that the penalty shot call in game 4 is the reason the Leafs lost. That is false. Cujo's INABILITY to STOP the penalty shot is the reason the Leafs lost that game.

It is the same thing with the Isles and many of their/our fans: Peca's and Jonnson's injuries are not the reason that the Isles lost, but rather the Isles inability to adapt to playing w/out those guys. They could have retaliated against Tucker and Roberts etal and they could have went out and won the series but they didn't. They only have themselves to blame. End of story.

I wish that people in this world would just take responsibility for their own actions. You can't change somebody elses actions, only your own.
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Everyone seems to be playing nice!!! Does this mean we all love the leafs now!!!! and hey, the booing that was done was done by classless people and not to complain, but COME ON, there is so a consipacy to keep the cup out of Canada, THUS the bad officiating against the canadian teams!! i mean, ESPN would hate two canadian teams in the finals. It would be bad for ratings. Say what you want, but GO LEAFS GO!!!!!!!

MBH, Give a cheer for the good guys tonight, eh!!

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[BFor example, in the opening round, every time an Islander player, fan or coach complained, Quinn et al would fire back and say that the Isles should stop whining and that Laviolette and Milbury's complaining is having an effect on the series. That is utter nonsense.[/b]
that was the islanders natural reaction to being down 2 games out of 2 games. when quinn is asked by the media about milbury's actions what do you think he's gonna do? give them a big thumbs up!?! they're just going through the motions. every team does it and no team does it more than any other. remember there is more focus on the maple leafs than any other team in hockey at virtually any point in time so you tend to get a lot more print out of the team

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The Leafs bitched that the penalty shot call in game 4 is the reason the Leafs lost. That is false. Cujo's INABILITY to STOP the penalty shot is the reason the Leafs lost that game.
well it's open to interpretation but from what i read and the people i talked to the complaint was that it was a blown call. the penalty shot should not have been awarded. everyone knows cujo got beat, it's the fact that(and here we go with 'playoff rules again) with 4 minutes left in a playoff game, score tied, good game up until then that is unheard of to be called as a penalty shot. 2 minute minor fine, but giving up a shot is ridiculous. is this the olympics? (this is blown call which directly resulted in a loss #1)
same goes for game 3(i think) of sens-leafs. this is the game where cujo complained about the non-call on interference that gave the sens the third and winning goal. cujo is playing games. he was attempting to get the sens out of his net and the refs watching out for it. i was surprised how little complaint the leafs made over the first goal in that game. arvedson holds hoglund's stick from the blue line right up beside cujo. hoglund, unable to do anything, can't control arvedson and arvedson tips it in(this is another blown call, final score was a margin of 1 so it's of course arguable whether the leafs lost as a direct result of this call. by my criteria it is not). and then just last weekend, alfie hits tucker from behind, no call. tucker had been covering alfredsson very well all night but now on the ground in pain, his man alfie spins and fires the puck home for the win.(this is a blown non-call which directly resulted in a win for the sens) i think any team would be complaining if they had gone through those 3 incidents.

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you're right.
there is little doubt in my mind that someone in the islanders-leafs series was going to get injured. peca gave it a good go with his slashing stick. so did roberts. so did isbister. so did tucker. so did webb. so did green. so did-oh you get the point. as i've said before the two players who actually did go down were isles. but it could have just as easily been maple leafs.
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there is so a consipacy to keep the cup out of Canada, THUS the bad officiating against the canadian teams!! i mean, ESPN would hate two canadian teams in the finals. It would be bad for ratings.
it is actually widely known in media circles that espn would prefer the maple leafs out of the three remaining candidates in the east. even montreal has more brand currency as a team than the carolina hurricanes do amongst the american public. i would think after the isles, flyers, devils and bruins were gone in the east toronto would be the top pick for markets.
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You're right!! Toronto is the top market. I'm just talking about the on going consipracy theroy. GO LEAFS. That's all that matters on this blue and white tuesday.

BLEED BLUE EVERYONE!!

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Everyone seems to be playing nice!!! Does this mean we all love the leafs now!!!! and hey, the booing that was done was done by classless people and not to complain, but COME ON, there is so a consipacy to keep the cup out of Canada, THUS the bad officiating against the canadian teams!! i mean, ESPN would hate two canadian teams in the finals. It would be bad for ratings. Say what you want, but GO LEAFS GO!!!!!!!

MBH, Give a cheer for the good guys tonight, eh!!

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A conspiracy to keep the Cup out of Canada? You're kidding right? None of the Canadian teams have been able to put together a team over the past decade to bring a Cup to Canada. Speaking of conspiracies, I think the NHL wanted the Leafs to win against the Isles! Either way, only those who play can control the outcome in the end.

I would love to hear your theories on who shot Kennedy....
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you're right.
there is little doubt in my mind that someone in the islanders-leafs series was going to get injured. peca gave it a good go with his slashing stick. so did roberts. so did isbister. so did tucker. so did webb. so did green. so did-oh you get the point. as i've said before the two players who actually did go down were isles. but it could have just as easily been maple leafs.
Dude, for the most part, you make sense and I agree with most of what you say. Sometimes you seem to ignore the facts.

Let me explain: "the two players who actually did go down were isles. but it could have just as easily been maple leafs."

Kobayashi, the POINT IS THAT IT WAS ISLES THAT WERE HURT AND NOT LEAFS!!!

We live in a world of what HAS HAPPENED, not what could have happened.

As for the penalty shot: yes, usually penalty shots are not called late in playoff games. THAT IS WRONG. The NHL looks like bufoons b/c of all of the rule changes(overtime, officitating, etc...). Penalty shots should be called more often, penalties in general should be called late in games but there not and the NHL looks like shit by making up different rules in the reg. season, the playoffs and the Olympics as well.
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