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Old 12-11-2005, 05:40 PM   #46
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The easy answer to this ridiculous question? The one I already gave, of course: "I don't have too much against How to Dismantle...".

As for the back catalogue (which I would like to point out is WOEFULLY off-topic, since none of those albums came out in in the last year), I would place POP, Achtung Baby, and The Joshua Tree above literally anything released not just in the last year, but in the last three-four years.

I'll say only that it sounds like you have a lot against informed opinions which don't gel with your own. Would you put any U2 from their back catalogue below any album released in the last year? Grow the fuck up, for God's sake. Bono himself said that How to Dismantle doesn't work that well as an album, so fuck it. I'm right and that's that.

Somebody back me up. Zoomer? Laz? Etc.?
i'm quite certain that you should do all my posting from now on.

keep taking no prisoners, son, and tell the folks how it really is! nice work.
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Old 12-11-2005, 06:51 PM   #47
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I'd like to, but I love the Bomb (and didn't have to stop worrying to love it). Was EXTREMELY disappointed with ATYCLB but I think there are more great songs on HTDAAB than most albums I've heard in the last few years. I don't agree with some of the recording/production choices but ultimately it isn't a dealbreaker for me.

Of course it doesn't flow as an album; U2 hasn't had an a coherent track order since Zooropa. And But that didn't stop me from liking Hail to the Thief either.
Well, you got me on Hail to the Thief. I think that shit is kick and I totally agree with you about it having so little flow that it's in danger of dying from dehydration.

Let's recall, though, that the Grammy for best album goes to the producer, meaning (I suppose) tat in backwards-ass Grammy faux-"logic," it must have at least something to do with production.

So where does that leave us? I don't fucking know. I want to kick Mariah Carey's face in. I know that much.
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The easy answer to this ridiculous question? The one I already gave, of course: "I don't have too much against How to Dismantle...".

As for the back catalogue (which I would like to point out is WOEFULLY off-topic, since none of those albums came out in in the last year), I would place POP, Achtung Baby, and The Joshua Tree above literally anything released not just in the last year, but in the last three-four years.

I'll say only that it sounds like you have a lot against informed opinions which don't gel with your own. Would you put any U2 from their back catalogue below any album released in the last year? Grow the fuck up, for God's sake. Bono himself said that How to Dismantle doesn't work that well as an album, so fuck it. I'm right and that's that.

Somebody back me up. Zoomer? Laz? Etc.?
Nice, I ask a simple question and you respond with "grow the fuck up"? Perhaps you should heed your own advice?

Everyone here has an informed opinion. Bono by the way considers HTDAAB to be U2's 3rd best album just after Achtung Baby and Joshua Tree.
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Everyone here has an informed opinion.
Continuing to engage in this "debate" is obviously pointless, so I'll just quote this and laugh. I beg to differ, my friend. I beg to differ.

I'm not necessarily laughing at you, either. But I think that after reading so many of the threads floating around in here, it is beyond obvious that a great many people cannot call themselves "informed" when it comes to music. I seem to recall reading in the best albums of '05 thread, for instance, that Hot Fuss (The Killers) was one of '05's best albums. Case closed.
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Bono by the way considers HTDAAB to be U2's 3rd best album just after Achtung Baby and Joshua Tree.
I think what you meant to say was:

"Without sounding totally phony," Bono says, "I think this might be our second best - if not our best - album. It's up there with Achtung [Baby]. It had to be. You can't live like this and put out a crap album or else people are going to want to shoot you."

he actually said that about HTDAAB in 2004. it's in Blender magazine.

and in 2000, it was ATYCLB and in 1997 it was POP that he was claiming was "up there with Achtung"......

Bono also said in 1995 that they had not yet made their best record, 10 years will give you some perspective apparently.

Bono is always a salesman.

Wait 5 years and he'll be tearing down HTDAAB like he did on POP and ATYCLB and pimping up the latest as a "work that will burn down all of out other works" which I believe he is contractually obligated to say, because he fucking says it before every album.
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Bono doesn't know shit about U2's music!
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Aw, we're gonna get to see Mariah parading around in another dress that's 4 sizes too small. How charming!

This year's nominations seem particularly bad. I was shocked U2 got anything at all, but I guess the mainstream pickings were slim. It's not as if the Grammy voters are going to dig any deeper than Billboard's greatest hits.
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Continuing to engage in this "debate" is obviously pointless, so I'll just quote this and laugh. I beg to differ, my friend. I beg to differ.

I'm not necessarily laughing at you, either. But I think that after reading so many of the threads floating around in here, it is beyond obvious that a great many people cannot call themselves "informed" when it comes to music. I seem to recall reading in the best albums of '05 thread, for instance, that Hot Fuss (The Killers) was one of '05's best albums. Case closed.
Yes, but at the end of the day, what is the best album of music of the year is simply an opinion. You can't actually prove that someone who thinks HOT FUSS is the best album of year is wrong. That person may have listened to all the same albums that you had and picked HOT FUSS over them.

That HOT FUSS is a good album or bad album is an opinion, not a fact. That HOT FUSS has sold over 5 million copies is a fact not an opinion, regardless of what one alleges about the quality of the music on the album.
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I think what you meant to say was:

"Without sounding totally phony," Bono says, "I think this might be our second best - if not our best - album. It's up there with Achtung [Baby]. It had to be. You can't live like this and put out a crap album or else people are going to want to shoot you."

he actually said that about HTDAAB in 2004. it's in Blender magazine.

and in 2000, it was ATYCLB and in 1997 it was POP that he was claiming was "up there with Achtung"......

Bono also said in 1995 that they had not yet made their best record, 10 years will give you some perspective apparently.

Bono is always a salesman.

Wait 5 years and he'll be tearing down HTDAAB like he did on POP and ATYCLB and pimping up the latest as a "work that will burn down all of out other works" which I believe he is contractually obligated to say, because he fucking says it before every album.
Did you read Rolling Stone October 2005 interview with BONO, perhaps the largest interview BONO has ever done? In the interview, there is a lengthy page where he rates all the albums going in to some detail. He rated Joshua Tree as the best album followed by Achtung and then HTDAAB and ATYCLB.

It was the Edge who mentioned he thought ATYCLB was their 2nd best album next to Achtung Baby.

I read just about every interview the band did in 1996 and 1997 and I don't ever recall BONO saying that POP was U2's second best work. In fact, what struck me was he avoided comparing it to their previous work in terms of ranking it. Is most common quote was he did not know what POP was as an album, that it had so many different things in it.

Its obvious the band are very proud of their latest work and they should be.
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Bono doesn't know shit about U2's music!
haha, in fairness it's hard to have a true perspective being so close to it. He had just spent two years working on that album, and absurd amounts of time on the others.

It's not hard not to beleive that he thinks his latest work is his best or among his best but time among other things will give you a proper perspective.

Maybe he will think it's among their best in 10 years, but I doubt it. Just my take.
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Yes, but at the end of the day, what is the best album of music of the year is simply an opinion. You can't actually prove that someone who thinks HOT FUSS is the best album of year is wrong. That person may have listened to all the same albums that you had and picked HOT FUSS over them.

That HOT FUSS is a good album or bad album is an opinion, not a fact. That HOT FUSS has sold over 5 million copies is a fact not an opinion, regardless of what one alleges about the quality of the music on the album.
I know what you're saying with this stuff and I agree, but it's irrelevant all the same. The stuff I'm talking about wasn't posted in this thread, but in a thread about the best albums of 2005 as members of interference see it.

Here's a fact I'd love for somebody to disprove: Hot Fuss was released in the Spring of 2004.

Therefore, anybody who thinks it's one of the best albums of 2005 is a fucking moron without any sort of informed opinion on the matter. That's what I was trying to say, G.

I CAN prove that somebody who thinks that Hot Fuss is the album of the year is wrong. Because I can prove that he/she doesn't have a fucking time machine.
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Aw, we're gonna get to see Mariah parading around in another dress that's 4 sizes too small. How charming!

This year's nominations seem particularly bad. I was shocked U2 got anything at all, but I guess the mainstream pickings were slim. It's not as if the Grammy voters are going to dig any deeper than Billboard's greatest hits.
After winning 17 Grammy awards, 10 of them within the last 5 years, why would it be a shock that U2 would get so many nominations this year for an album that has had far more "critical praise" than most other albums released over the past year?
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