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Old 03-16-2006, 03:02 PM   #181
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Aww. Poor kitty.

I certainly hope your cats are fine, LivLuv.
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Old 03-16-2006, 05:22 PM   #183
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LivLuv, I am really sorry to hear about Eden. This shelter sounds like someplace you should avoid going forward at all costs since they clearly don't have a handle on the health/sanitary situation there. Chalk up the adoption fee they owe you/Melissa to a lesson learned.

And please don't let this put you off adopting adult cats. Statistically you have less chance of big health problems if you take an adult versus a kitten, b/c kittens, especially ones from shelters, are already behind the eight ball when you get them...immune system not yet fully developed and they've been exposed to all kinds of stuff--that's the case even in the cleanest shelter.

I agree with Sicy, BTW. Since nobody is sure what Eden really had, I'd keep your environment stable (i.e. no new additions) for at least a couple of months before bringing anyone new in. That way if something is in the environment, it will have a chance to be cleaned away completely before any new critters arrive.
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Old 03-16-2006, 06:19 PM   #184
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And please don't let this put you off adopting adult cats. Statistically you have less chance of big health problems if you take an adult versus a kitten, b/c kittens, especially ones from shelters, are already behind the eight ball when you get them...immune system not yet fully developed and they've been exposed to all kinds of stuff--that's the case even in the cleanest shelter.


I agree here as well.

Please try to find out EXACTLY what Eden had, (I know you are) its very important so that you can know what steps you might need to take with your babies.
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Old 03-16-2006, 06:53 PM   #185
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got this from a friend...

Cool Black Cat with Green Eyes Go to this site (link below) to see. If you tease her with the mouse Pointer on her chest or stomach she will purr, I got her to meow also, by Rubbing her forehead with the pointer. If you make a slow circle around her Body, (counter-clockwise) not only will her head/eyes follow your pointer, but Toward the top, her paw will go up, and when in front of her paws at the Bottom, her foot comes out like she wants to play with your mouse pointer. (Don't hold the mouse down, just move it) Enjoy! Click on link below


http://www.broenink-art.nl/maukie2.swf
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She had FIP. I'm not familiar with it at all and the vet didn't really answer the questions I had, so I have no clue what that is or what to do with the other cats. Fucking bitch

If my cats have it, they're being put down at the first signs. I don't ever want to see a cat in the condition Eden was in.
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I sent you some links via pm. I am so sorry.

Here is one more

http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html
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Wellp, tonight will the be the great bleaching and disinfecting event of the century! I'm not going to let myself worry about it too much because my vet says there's nothing we can really do anyway. The other three cats are perfectly healthy and have had a somewhat limited fecal exposure since Eden's problem in the first place was a litterbox one. I guess I'll bleach all the boxes, toys, trays, and bowls and keep the other cats clean and fed premium food and see what happens. Any idea how long it takes for the symptoms of the mutated virus to show?
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Any other tips for making adult indoor cats uber-healthy?
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Lies, the answers to your questions are in the links I gave you.

Symptoms usually shows up 2 weeks after exposure. Not all cats will get it after being exposed.

I would get all new litterpans and food bowls, honestly. Any litterpan or food bowl that Eden used I would throw away immediately. It is worth spending the money in my opinion. Any bedding she slept on needs to be washed good in hot water.

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Not all cats that are exposed to the FIP coronavirus will develop the disease. In colonies of cats in which this disease is known to be present, estimates are that 8 to 20% of cats exposed to the virus will develop clinical signs of FIP. The rest of the cats may become immune to the disease or may simply not react to it. The reason that only a relatively small number of cats exposed to the virus develop the disease is unclear. It is known that the cell mediated immune response is the primary protection for the cat's body in the case of FIP. Cats that do not have a good cell mediated response may be more susceptible to the disease. The humoral (antibody) defense system actually enhances the damage caused by FIP virus and seems to be partly the culprit in the death of affected cats.
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Once the FIP virus gains access to the cat's body it takes about 2 weeks for the virus to become widespread. After that, the length of time to clinical symptoms is variable but probably rarely exceeds 2 months. Most cats with FIP will die within 2 to 11 months from the damage caused by the virus, the immune system and secondary problems such as kidney or liver failure. An exception to this might be cats that are able to fight off the disease at the cellular level but never completely clear it from their bodies. It is possible that these cats are carriers of the disease and that they may be affected later in life if some immunosuppressive disease or event inhibits their ability to keep the FIP virus in check.
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FIP virus itself lasts in the environment for up to 6 weeks. It is easily killed with disinfectants, so careful cleansing of a household may help prevent the spread of the disease if a cat with FIP is identified in a household with more than one cat. Due to the delay in the appearance of clinical symptoms once infection occurs, it is likely that most cats in a household have been exposed to the virus by the time it becomes evident that one of the cats is sick.
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Yeah, I just found that too, thanks. I read through that one site and it helped. So it sounds like we will know within two months. Now I'm glad we've been using this water/cleaning solution carpet cleaner all over the house!

Eden used a smaller litter pan, my extra one, so that will just get bleached and go back into the garage anway. We can toss her bowl b/c it has her name embossed on it
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I'm really sorry to hear about Eden, LivLuv.
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Lies, I sent you a PM but for anyone else that is interested, I think this site has a good breakdown of the big questions related to FIP:

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Con...&S=0&C=0&A=681

FIP is NOT the same as feline distemper (aka panleukopenia). Very basically, FIP is an uncommon complication of a common virus and is NOT technically contagious.

Her inappropriate urination probably was connected to this - when cats aren't feeling quite right (not necessarily connected with urinary discomfort) they will often start urinating around the house. This was probably her way to say she wasn't feeling well, but FIP was not high on my list of possible connections for what you had initially described. It is usually very difficult to diagnose (and we often are not suspicious of it) until they are already having major complications from it, and there is no cure. There wasn't anything you guys could have done differently or that you did wrong, it was just bad luck
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^So it sounds like it was Eden's own individual immune system's reaction the virus. Is that right?

It sounds like good news for the other cats at least.

I'm sorry Lies, this is a mess .
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I don't fucking believe this!

OK, long story....so I made Melissa quit with the meds for Eden over a week ago. She got all bloated, severly dehydrated, stopped eating, and wouldn't move. Since then, her condition has not improved. Melissa took her back to the crazy vet today (because the crazy vet is treating her for free since it's her own damn fault the cat is suffering like this). I just got an e-mail from Melissa as follows:



I'm assuming she's referring to some kind of cat distemper. Fortunately, like most NORMAL cat lovers, all of my other cats have been sheltered in sterile environments and are up to date on distemper shots. But, I'm still really pissed off. Could a good vet really have no idea that the cat was infected? I suppose it's her loss since she had the cat living with over 200 other cats and lord knows how she could possibly be up to date on their vaccinations and medical conditions.

I guess Eden is gone. At least I got to say goodbye this morning. I'm pretty relieved because she's only gone downhill since we adopted her, despite us seeing several different vets and treating her for two other infections she came home with (UTI and cold). I feel bad b/c in hindsight, I should've known it would be something like distemper. She's always walked funny, been very un-catlike, and responded negatively to being carried or lifted.

We were thinking of asking for a new cat for free since we paid $75 for Eden and paid a lot more than that to be treating her for infections they insisted she didn't have, but the whole experience with that place has sucked so I guess we're back down to three for a while. Here we thought we'd do the good thing and adopt the adult, mother cat. I'm sticking to kittens from now on!

omg. I just got sick to my stomach and I'm so upset by hearing this. This vet should be shut down. She has no business at all dealing with these cats. Someone needs to shut her down. I'm so sorry Lies.
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