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Old 06-09-2008, 04:50 PM   #121
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and this dutch goalkeeper is ! a goal for italy would have been important in the end. now they are last in their group.
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Great result!!

Got some info on that first goal which was explained on TSN here in Canada by an official from the Canadian football association. There is a grey area in this but here is what he said -

-The defender went off the pitch after a collision with his keeper and had the opportunity to come back on to the pitch. Therefore he was still active.

-If a player leaves the pitch or stays off the pitch uninjured he can be charged with unsportsmanlike conduct.

-The grey area is, how injured was this player that he couldn't come back on to the pitch?

I think this will be one of those things that will be debated to death. It think it really comes down to the referees discretion. Either way Holland won and Italy is in last place in the group.
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i wouldn't be surprised if France would beat us on Friday to be honest
but normally speaking 1 draw now would be enough

3-0 against the world champions
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Holland were 8/1 to win Euro 2008, i think they will be favourites after tonights performance.
Probably, best team so far.

Youtube will show actually two Dutch players were offside at the first goal. No clue what the referees were doing.
I don't see how that Italian player off court counts.
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I don't see how that Italian player off court counts.
apparently it has to do with that no dutch player was involved with him going behind the line
no one injured him

if this was offside then it would mean a defender would be able to create an offside situation by stepping behind the goalline
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Great result!!

Got some info on that first goal which was explained on TSN here in Canada by an official from the Canadian football association. There is a grey area in this but here is what he said -

-The defender went off the pitch after a collision with his keeper and had the opportunity to come back on to the pitch. Therefore he was still active.

-If a player leaves the pitch or stays off the pitch uninjured he can be charged with unsportsmanlike conduct.

-The grey area is, how injured was this player that he couldn't come back on to the pitch?

I think this will be one of those things that will be debated to death. It think it really comes down to the referees discretion. Either way Holland won and Italy is in last place in the group.
so he had to be very fast to be back on the court. no, I don't like that rule.
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apparently it has to do with that no dutch player was involved with him going behind the line
no one injured him

if this was offside then it would mean a defender would be able to create an offside situation by stepping behind the goalline
What does it matter who got him off court ? Italian goalie pushed him off court - so he does not count as an active player. Are then all the backup team players sitting on the bench playing along to the 11 men on court, too ?
If he does, then there's nothing wrong with the goal and we shouldn't be even having this discussion. Most TV commentators, as seen in this thread, say that's not the case and offside happened.
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you can leave the court to create an offside situation on purpose. but panucci accidently hits off the court and he didn't intend to do this. and he was off the court before the goal situation even evolved. so the referee deciced not to interrupt the situation, so panucci is still an active player.
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i didn't invent the rules like
i personally thought it was offside but it just wasn't
because the player was still taking part of the game, technically

in a way it makes sense
why should the dutch pay for an italian defender smacking into the italian goalkeeper
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so the referee deciced not to interrupt the situation, so panucci is still an active player.
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Most TV commentators, as seen in this thread, say that's not the case and offside happened.
most referees disagree and say it wasn't offside

but i never argue a commentator's right to talk out of his bum
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What does it matter who got him off court ? Italian goalie pushed him off court - so he does not count as an active player. Are then all the backup team players sitting on the bench playing along to the 11 men on court, too ?
If he does, then there's nothing wrong with the goal and we shouldn't be even having this discussion. Most TV commentators, as seen in this thread, say that's not the case and offside happened.
if a dutch player had pushed him behind the line, it would likely had been regarded as a foul.

He did count as an active player, because he was among the 11 on the field and he had not been carried off-court to receive treatment.

Don't believe TV-commentators. They never know the rules of the games that are only rarely used.
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What a performance by Van Der Sar! And the third goal was brilliant! The first one looked clearly offside to me. Anyway, the Dutch would have won. Great game!
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From the BBC, here is what the officials said,

Chairman of Austria's refereeing commission Gerhard Kapl backed the decision by Swedish referee Peter Frojdfeldt and said it was "100% correct, without any doubt".

Kapl pointed out that article 11.4.1. of the refereeing code stipulated that "an opposing player cannot be offside when one of the last two defenders has left the field of play".

He explained the rule was brought in to stop players deliberately stepping off the field of play to make an opponent offside.



So that must settle it then. It's a legal goal and van Nistelrooy was not offside.
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No, the Italians will now start diving like they're going for gold in the olympics. I bet there will be 'professional fouls' aplenty.

...anyone care to remember what they did to the Aussies in the World Cup...hmmm...
Yeah, even after an egregiously bad decision to send off an Italian player early, the 10-men Italy beat them, albeit on a decision just as bad.

11 on 11 it was a game Italy had been controlling with relative ease.
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