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Old 03-02-2008, 07:43 AM   #406
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G'day! We're now dragging this thread into intellectual territory.
Yes, and oddly enough I'm not included! And its getting towards my bedtime. I reckon i'll be out in 15.
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LET'S DO IT.

Unfortunately, his birthday's in December.
Unbirthday present? Alice in Wonderland style?
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Unbirthday present? Alice in Wonderland style?
i love unbirthdays!
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Ax: I was wrong, it wasn't an entire essay unfortunately, but here's the important bit:




I can tell you, I wasn't a very popular person with a couple of the more evangelical spiritual types after reading that out loud in a study...
Ooh, that's very good. It's an interesting study in nation-building. The parallels between that and some of what went on in the 19th century would be extremely interesting to explore.

Furthermore, I feel it fits comfortably within a historical pattern of human behaviour and complements my argument of the Old Testament having entirely human origins. I believe it reveals nothing of divine behaviour, just humans being humans. It's like two kids bickering in the street. "If you don't give me that ice cream, my Dad will beat you up!" Well, no, he probably won't, but the other kid has been told that the father in question is a big 6'5" bloke named Daniel, so he fearfully gives bono_man2022 the ice cream.
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Yes, and oddly enough I'm not included! And its getting towards my bedtime. I reckon i'll be out in 15.
You could always join in on our theologising.

Theologising? Did I just make up a word there?
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Unbirthday present? Alice in Wonderland style?
I'm so down with this.

Though maybe Vazza or Jen will appreciate it a bit more.
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Ooh, that's very good. It's an interesting study in nation-building. The parallels between that and some of what went on in the 19th century would be extremely interesting to explore.

Furthermore, I feel it fits comfortably within a historical pattern of human behaviour and complements my argument of the Old Testament having entirely human origins. I believe it reveals nothing of divine behaviour, just humans being humans. It's like two kids bickering in the street. "If you don't give me that ice cream, my Dad will beat you up!" Well, no, he probably won't, but the other kid has been told that the father in question is a big 6'5" bloke named Daniel, so he fearfully gives bono_man2022 the ice cream.
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You could always join in on our theologising.

Theologising? Did I just make up a word there?
I'll say you did, cause I've never heard of it before!
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Ooh, that's very good. It's an interesting study in nation-building. The parallels between that and some of what went on in the 19th century would be extremely interesting to explore.

Furthermore, I feel it fits comfortably within a historical pattern of human behaviour and complements my argument of the Old Testament having entirely human origins. I believe it reveals nothing of divine behaviour, just humans being humans. It's like two kids bickering in the street. "If you don't give me that ice cream, my Dad will beat you up!" Well, no, he probably won't, but the other kid has been told that the father in question is a big 6'5" bloke named Daniel, so he fearfully gives bono_man2022 the ice cream.
Exactly. Although, I do believe that you can find God in there somehow amidst the mess that the humans create. I just don't know how to explain it yet.
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Fair enough. I would argue that you can apply a lot of the New Testament to contemporary life though, as long as you interpret correctly and within context - hence, "the Living Word".

And, let's be honest, this is pulling the thread up out of its depths. Also if this was posted in FYM, we'd just be flamed by redneck southern extremist Bible-bashers.
I think some of the ethical teachings certainly still have applicability. Like I said, my pacifism was originally derived from the Sermon on the Mount - it has stuck with me, even if the theism has not. However, I believe the central themes of the religion do not satisfy certain scholarly standards, and I am definitely not aware of any persuasive evidence for theism, nor do I accept the argument that I should "just have faith".

Yeah, this would be kind of scary in FYM.

I get the feeling you and I are going to have some bloody long theological conversations. Which is fantastic, because I've been dying for somebody to converse with on the topic. My religious friends on the Gold Coast just say "you gotta read Lee Strobel". No, piss off.
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I thought you'd appreciate that.
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i''ve never heard of lee strobel. what are they telling you to read?
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I'm outta here folks.

Shoulda gone a long time ago.

Have a great night/day!

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i''ve never heard of lee strobel. what are they telling you to read?
Strobel is a pop theologian. He offers very simplistic arguments. His book The Case For Christ enjoys a strong popularity amongst evangelical types.

I feel like the difference between Strobel and, say, Søren Kierkegaard or Paul Tillich is the same as between "My Big Book of Science" and Stephen Hawking.
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I'm outta here folks.

Shoulda gone a long time ago.

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