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Old 04-16-2008, 04:43 PM   #436
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Exactly my thoughts.

I definitely feel penalized for choosing songs that are more popular, as if my intention was to use them only to score points with popular voters.
God forbid that they're songs that you like.
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The only two songs that I felt were at all stretches were McCartney and Elton John. I feel like those two songs should have been just one.
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Diversity in names?

Song choices is one thing, greatest hits is another.
Diversity in artists. Using a solo artist and the group they come from can be a bit of overload. It would be like using too much of a genre. Diversity is good.

No it is the same thing. Choosing to go with the most popular songs shouldn't be rated higher than unique song choices. If you use too many popular songs then it becomes a greatest hits album. No one wants to listen to a greatest hits disc when they could be exposed to so much more.
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I definitely feel penalized for choosing songs that are more popular, as if my intention was to use them only to score points with popular voters.
it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. you use popular stuff, you get blasted for trying to score points for that. you use obscure bands, you lose votes because of the people who don't download any links, don't listen to any of this stuff, and just vote based on what they've heard.

i'm not elitist by a long shot, but i wish people who don't listen to the playlists wouldn't vote, and it's quite obvious by some people's posts (combining all desert islands here) who doesn't listen to the playlists.
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I don't understand Phanan's criticism of repeat artists. How in the world does John Frusciante sound anything like RHCP? Sting like The Police? Honestly, is he really worried about the name on the song that much? And I really respect Phanan, too. I just don't understand that criticism at all.
As Screwtape noted, my criticism was for the lack of diversity. If I'm on a desert island, I want to be able to listen to as many different artists as possible, because those will be the only ones I'll be able to hear for who knows how long. So if I have a Beatles song, having McCartney or Lennon on their own becomes less of a priority, you know? Even if the music sounds different, I'll still relate them to the Beatles because the vocals will be the same.

Now if that was the only scenario, it probably wouldn't have stood out as much, but you then had RCHP and Frusciante, Sting and The Police, etc. Combine that with the number of songs, and it wasn't as diverse as it could have been.

I gave Axver this same criticism on his DI3 playlist, so don't worry, it's not just you.

This is not to say I wouldn't do it at all. My last playlist, for DI3, had both PT and Blackfield, which feature Steven Wilson. But I try to keep it from happening only once so I get as many different artists as I can.

But let me emphasize that despite this, I still think you have an excellent playlist. It was a tough call for this round. But I see at least one match where you'll be definitely getting my vote.
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Diversity in artists. Using a solo artist and the group they come from can be a bit of overload. It would be like using too much of a genre. Diversity is good.

No it is the same thing. Choosing to go with the most popular songs shouldn't be rated higher than unique song choices. If you use too many popular songs then it becomes a greatest hits album. No one wants to listen to a greatest hits disc when they could be exposed to so much more.
I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, because I love your playlist, but it's got 30+ minutes of Peter Gabriel/Genesis. Even if it's only 2 tracks, 30 minutes is a hell of a long time.

To be honest, I have more of a problem with people who don't vary up their lists from tourney to tourney against people who use well-known songs. Lance and Axver's list are good examples of this - no matter how well-made/executed they are, they sound the same.
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Diversity in artists. Using a solo artist and the group they come from can be a bit of overload. It would be like using too much of a genre. Diversity is good.

No it is the same thing. Choosing to go with the most popular songs shouldn't be rated higher than unique song choices. If you use too many popular songs then it becomes a greatest hits album. No one wants to listen to a greatest hits disc when they could be exposed to so much more.
I do not understand what you are even talking about.

Simply because John Frusciante is a member of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, that makes those two overload? I'm sorry, but I think Frusciante's solo material has a totally different sound and feel than RHCP. I'd find it hard to compare the two, in fact. Same with Sting and The Police, and The Edge and U2.

And, they're two different things, I'll say it again. You can criticize songs as being weak all you want. That's your call. But that's not what you're saying. You say, "Choosing to go with the most popular songs shouldn't be rated higher than unique song choices" as if I wanted my list to get better rankings because the songs were more familiar. I call bullshit. I never said anything like that, nor did I imply it.

Not only do I think you're completely, totally, and utterly wrong, I think there's major logical flaws in what you are saying.
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it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. you use popular stuff, you get blasted for trying to score points for that. you use obscure bands, you lose votes because of the people who don't download any links, don't listen to any of this stuff, and just vote based on what they've heard.

i'm not elitist by a long shot, but i wish people who don't listen to the playlists wouldn't vote, and it's quite obvious by some people's posts (combining all desert islands here) who doesn't listen to the playlists.
I love when people use obscure stuff. For me I want creativity and when you choose the most popular songs by an artist you aren't being creative. That's where I stand. You can disagree with me though.

I too wish people would listen to all the playlists. I know in Desert Island 2 people were voting based on what they knew and I got royally fucked as did a lot of people.
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Diversity in artists. Using a solo artist and the group they come from can be a bit of overload. It would be like using too much of a genre. Diversity is good.
i got blasted for not being diverse enough in my genres or whatver as well. i'm like, whatever. i like what i like. i do like more than what i used, but i'm not about to run out and buy every piece of vinyl i have or every song i hear on classic rock stations, jazz stations, or classical music stations (yes i listen to all that stuff) that i like just to be more diverse. i'm broke enough as it is, i can't buy 15 cds a week just to buy every cd or download every song i like to be more diverse.

and i can't even go the illegal route anymore, as my isp blocks everything.

and screwtape, i just want to let you know i'm not attacking you or anything, just defending why i used what i used.
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Same with Sting and The Police, and The Edge and U2.
i agree. if i used a song like can't stand losing you or synchronicity 2, would it be similar sounding to if you love somebody set them free or fields of gold? sting solo sounds so different than the police.

now one solo artist i would say something about is phil collins/genesis. if someone used invisible touch and sussudio...wait, aren't those both genesis songs? see, his stuff from the 80s is all the same. i like it, but you can't tell what's his and what's theirs.
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i got blasted for not being diverse enough in my genres or whatver as well. i'm like, whatever. i like what i like. i do like more than what i used, but i'm not about to run out and buy every piece of vinyl i have or every song i hear on classic rock stations, jazz stations, or classical music stations (yes i listen to all that stuff) that i like just to be more diverse. i'm broke enough as it is, i can't buy 15 cds a week just to buy every cd or download every song i like to be more diverse.

and i can't even go the illegal route anymore, as my isp blocks everything.

and screwtape, i just want to let you know i'm not attacking you or anything, just defending why i used what i used.
It is just a criticism and I doubt most people vote simply on that. Though it certainly helps in the rankings. I think your playlist is fine as it is. That's what you would take on a desert island but if someone is more diverse than I'll give that category to them.
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Su-su-sussudio?

My parents used to play that cassette to death, and now I hate Phil Collins.

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It is just a criticism and I doubt most people vote simply on that. Though it certainly helps in the rankings. I think your playlist is fine as it is. That's what you would take on a desert island but if someone is more diverse than I'll give that category to them.
"Diversity" is an issue, too. If you include too much of the same type of stuff, it's not diverse enough, but if it's extremely broad, covering different genres of music, then it's too all over the place.

Any of these categories has a fairly sized win/phail section. You can't win, you can only do what you can, really.
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I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, because I love your playlist, but it's got 30+ minutes of Peter Gabriel/Genesis. Even if it's only 2 tracks, 30 minutes is a hell of a long time.
Phanan has before used the same criticism of me. I just think it is fair no matter who it is. I think it would be completely fair if he had that criticism of my playlist.
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As Screwtape noted, my criticism was for the lack of diversity. If I'm on a desert island, I want to be able to listen to as many different artists as possible, because those will be the only ones I'll be able to hear for who knows how long. So if I have a Beatles song, having McCartney or Lennon on their own becomes less of a priority, you know? Even if the music sounds different, I'll still relate them to the Beatles because the vocals will be the same.

Now if that was the only scenario, it probably wouldn't have stood out as much, but you then had RCHP and Frusciante, Sting and The Police, etc. Combine that with the number of songs, and it wasn't as diverse as it could have been.
But your criticism seems to be about the credits as opposed to the music.
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I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, because I love your playlist, but it's got 30+ minutes of Peter Gabriel/Genesis. Even if it's only 2 tracks, 30 minutes is a hell of a long time.

To be honest, I have more of a problem with people who don't vary up their lists from tourney to tourney against people who use well-known songs. Lance and Axver's list are good examples of this - no matter how well-made/executed they are, they sound the same.
That's a legitimate point in your first paragraph.

I should set up a statistics page to see which people have used the most different artists. I'd bet the results would be interesting.
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