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Old 05-08-2006, 07:31 AM   #46
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Maradona was awesome , but like I never saw him making a great goal or any like great play with his right leg .
Does this really matter? If he's got SO much talent in his left foot does he need to use his right? For instance, take his 2nd goal against England in the 1986 World Cup (which is, by the way, a goal that Pele would never have been able to score), he beat about 6 different players and rounded the 'keeper running down the right hand side of the pitch. He was that good that he didn't need to use his right foot.

I don't like the guy but he's the most talented footballer i've ever seen play. He also pretty much single handedly won the world cup for Argentina that year. Despite his drug prblems it doesn't surprise me he is held in such esteem in his home country. Pele was a great player but Maradona was at a level where no other player has reached since i think.

Also Pele never proved himself in Europe's top leagues whereas Maradona proved himself in Intaly and Spain.
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No , Diego never said Pele was the greatest. Where did you hear that
"Pelé is the greatest and he knows it but sometimes he should do more for football and less for business"
Maradona in France Football

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(Pele didn't even play in the 1962 team)
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Check your records he never played in the 1962 World Cup Final against Czech. He was injured in the group games.
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he played only 2 of the group games and didn't appear after that.
Ok dude, so he played in the 1962 team as i said in my first post and he even scored 1 goal in the first match.
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For instance, take his 2nd goal against England in the 1986 World Cup (which is, by the way, a goal that Pele would never have been able to score)

Maradona was at a level where no other player has reached since i think.

Also Pele never proved himself in Europe's top leagues whereas Maradona proved himself in Intaly and Spain.
Dude this ur 1st comment is so ...... that is needless to comment , I only say a thing U've never seen a full game of Pele , or have only seen few of his goals , geez I don't even why I'm arguing it's so needless , and more Dude why don't you go for anyone , anyone who really understands football in ur country , go anyone , anybody from sports , ask Beckham , Owen , Scholes , Seaman anyone , pick only ONE , only one who says that Pele wasn't outta of this world .

I got it , and is pretty reasonable that u still have a kinda trauma coz of that goal he made 'gainst england but , dude Sweeden , Italian and so many other I could go on say still have nightmares with Edson Arantes ......

And about that so impossible goal , dude didn't you ever seen Ronaldo play at Barcelona ? or also Romario , check the history of their goals there , it's countless the number of goals like that , Ronaldo once passed by 7-8 guys I believe against Celta de Vigo . A player of ur country himself , Owen I'm sure He did something like as well.

About this 2nd line, about level and all , dude do urself a favor and go see some good football , watch for a change a game of Barcelona , and pay attention to a ' certain number 10 '

That's I'm off this topic , it's needless to argue bout somethin like this , besides I've said pretty much everything i had already
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In 2000, France Football organized the "super ballon d'or", the magazine asked all the winners to give the top 5 of the greatest players in history.
The voters were di stefano, kopa, suarez, masoput, law, eusebio, charlton, albert, rivera, muller, cruyff, beckenbauer, blokhine, simonsen, keegan, rummenige, rossi, platini, belanov, gullit, van basten, matthaus, papin, baggio, stoitchkov, weah, sammer, ronaldo, zidane, rivaldo

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1 Pelé 112 pts
2 Maradona 65 pts
3 Cruyff 62 pts
4 Di Stefano 44 pts
5 Beckenbauer, Platini 40 pts
7 Puskas
8 Van Basten
9 Zico
10 Yachine, Muller
12 Garrincha, Best, Francescoli
15 Gordillo
16 Charlton
17 Romario
18 Kopa, Blokhine, Baggio, Zoff, Fontaine, Walter
24 Milla

Di Stefano, Baggio and Zidane voted Maradona for number 1

Kopa, Masoput, Albert, Rivera, Beckenbauer, Blokhine, Simonsen, Keegan, Rummenigge, Rossi, Platini, Van Basten, Papin, Stoitchkov, Weah and Rivaldo voted Pele for number 1.
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he is the personification of all that is bad in football!

wasted talent, abuse of talent, too much money, drugs, cheating, lack of pride and a total failure of his responsibility to the blind millions that adore him!



This concerns to his life, but not to his football career. You can take all the drugs you want, but you can never do what Maradona did if you don't have football in your blood. Taking drugs doesn't let you make the goals he scored, he's a giftet talent. As a man you can throw on him all the shit you want, but not as a player, please
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In 2000, France Football organized the "super ballon d'or", the magazine asked all the winners to give the top 5 of the greatest players in history.
The voters were di stefano, kopa, suarez, masoput, law, eusebio, charlton, albert, rivera, muller, cruyff, beckenbauer, blokhine, simonsen, keegan, rummenige, rossi, platini, belanov, gullit, van basten, matthaus, papin, baggio, stoitchkov, weah, sammer, ronaldo, zidane, rivaldo

results :

1 Pelé 112 pts
2 Maradona 65 pts
3 Cruyff 62 pts
4 Di Stefano 44 pts
5 Beckenbauer, Platini 40 pts
7 Puskas
8 Van Basten
9 Zico
10 Yachine, Muller
12 Garrincha, Best, Francescoli
15 Gordillo
16 Charlton
17 Romario
18 Kopa, Blokhine, Baggio, Zoff, Fontaine, Walter
24 Milla

Di Stefano, Baggio and Zidane voted Maradona for number 1

Kopa, Masoput, Albert, Rivera, Beckenbauer, Blokhine, Simonsen, Keegan, Rummenigge, Rossi, Platini, Van Basten, Papin, Stoitchkov, Weah and Rivaldo voted Pele for number 1.



Now, these are probably the only voters who make sense, and this is the only list that really makes sense
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Does this really matter? If he's got SO much talent in his left foot does he need to use his right? For instance, take his 2nd goal against England in the 1986 World Cup (which is, by the way, a goal that Pele would never have been able to score), he beat about 6 different players and rounded the 'keeper running down the right hand side of the pitch. He was that good that he didn't need to use his right foot.

I don't like the guy but he's the most talented footballer i've ever seen play. He also pretty much single handedly won the world cup for Argentina that year. Despite his drug prblems it doesn't surprise me he is held in such esteem in his home country. Pele was a great player but Maradona was at a level where no other player has reached since i think.

Also Pele never proved himself in Europe's top leagues whereas Maradona proved himself in Intaly and Spain.
Yep abso-bloody-lutely. He may have been one footed but by christ was that left foot good! He not only scored individual goals against England in that World Cup but also did the same against Belgium in the Semi Final. I have never ever seen a player where the ball seems to stick to his foot like Maradona. He was better than Pele as an indiviual player, there is no question. Pele didn't have the same ability to beat players like Maradona. The people that say Pele was the greatest player and better than Maradona are only stating that view cos Pele was before Maradona and more importantly to their opinion Pele was also a saint compared to Maradona. They think that how can you call a guy that has been a drug addict and caught by a positive drug test in a World Cup, the best player ever. But whatever Maradonas demons he was the greatest player ever to grace the game of Football.

Also people forget that Maradona also single handedly dragged Argentina to the World Cup Final again in 1990. I remember against brazil in the 2nd round with about 5 minutes to go, he had one piece of brilliance where he beat 2 or 3 players before releasing Caniggia to score the only goal of the game. An absolute genius.

In the 1994 World Cup, after Maradona had been suspended, Argentina got knocked out in the 2nd round by Romania...... kinda missed him then, don't ya think!
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I kind of like even Maradona's other side
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Some comments make me think that a few don't even know the physiognomy of Maradona.........................................


Download a couple of things from the internet of him and learn what for a player Maradona was................
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Oh Christ that's the last time I say I'm off a topic and I come back to it .

Only some few comments :
1- Brazil's 90 team was probably one of their worst in these last cups , it was far from brilliant , besides not tryin again say that Diego wasn't the best person on earth but the same Maradona admitted last year in very provocative way , almost insulting to the brazilian in a argentina channel that they put some kind of water to the brazilian drink that left them kind of 'slow and sleepy' .

2-What is this lack of arguments ???? say that Pele is considered the best juz coz he was a great guy and into fair play unlike Maradona ....

3-Again I dont know why I am saying again this , somethin is obvious to the planet , except for a country and a couple of persons , but I'm do it anyway , people who talk about download some games , I only ask you something if have somehow the chance , watch a FULL GAME of Pele specially between 58-62 , then I wanna say u say some comments like this again .

That's it , I'm really off now , have your fun children ........
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J-NP, you can't compare Pele and Maradona, 2 different players and 2 very different football epochs. They never played together, they never played against each other and most of all Pele never played in a european country. There can't be any comparision among this 2 players. They're the 2 best players that the world has ever had, but different. You can't start idolizing Pele and bashing down Maradona, it's a bit exaggerated..............




PS: Try to discuss peaceful and calm, without cursing talking just about football, it's only football
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In 2000, France Football organized the "super ballon d'or", the magazine asked all the winners to give the top 5 of the greatest players in history.
The voters were di stefano, kopa, suarez, masoput, law, eusebio, charlton, albert, rivera, muller, cruyff, beckenbauer, blokhine, simonsen, keegan, rummenige, rossi, platini, belanov, gullit, van basten, matthaus, papin, baggio, stoitchkov, weah, sammer, ronaldo, zidane, rivaldo

results :

1 Pelé 112 pts
2 Maradona 65 pts
3 Cruyff 62 pts
4 Di Stefano 44 pts
5 Beckenbauer, Platini 40 pts
7 Puskas
8 Van Basten
9 Zico
10 Yachine, Muller
12 Garrincha, Best, Francescoli
15 Gordillo
16 Charlton
17 Romario
18 Kopa, Blokhine, Baggio, Zoff, Fontaine, Walter
24 Milla

Di Stefano, Baggio and Zidane voted Maradona for number 1

Kopa, Masoput, Albert, Rivera, Beckenbauer, Blokhine, Simonsen, Keegan, Rummenigge, Rossi, Platini, Van Basten, Papin, Stoitchkov, Weah and Rivaldo voted Pele for number 1.
Excellent list but I'd rank Cruyff above Diego Armando Maradona
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Excellent list but I'd rank Cruyff above Diego Armando Maradona
I'd rank Peter Crouch above Maradona
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