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Old 08-10-2007, 11:21 PM   #16
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Old 08-10-2007, 11:31 PM   #17
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Oh yeah, I totally go on about Dave Dobbyn, Swingers, The Shadows, Sneaky Feelings, Pop Art Toasters, Able Tasmans, The Bats, The Clean, The Verlaines, and Sörskogen. You probably can't find any of those mentioned in five separate threads! In fact, some I'd never even mentioned on Interference prior to this tournament.

So I have no clue what the hell you're on about.
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Don't get upset, Axver. I feel this way about many of the lists, not just yours. I think the veterans, after doing this 2-3 times, just run out of material after a while. I just don't see how using the same artists but picking their more upbeat songs = experimentation.

In my DI4 list, 32 of the 40 artists were not used on my DI3 list. I fell back on 8 of them, but it's better than nothing.
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See, I think most of the n00b tracklists are pretty crap while the veterans are really coming into their own. With a bit of experience, you really start to get the whole process nailed. I don't give a shit if people are using the same artists - especially as many artists have extremely varied outputs (compare, for example, The Chills' Pink Frost to my previous Chills song, Double Summer).

I use whatever material suits the overall goal. I'm not even conscious of whether or not I've used an artist before.
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Glad you feel that way.

*adds Radiohead song onto DI4 playlist because of this new revelation*
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The way I see it, there are artists you definitely want to hear on that island because they're your favorites.

I couldn't go without U2, Bowie, The Beatles, Springsteen, Radiohead, Wilco, Arcade Fire, etc. because they're essentials.

There's merit to both arguments though. It's easier for a first-timer to make a list as opposed to a third-timer making another one, you know?
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See, I think most of the n00b tracklists are pretty crap
Crap because you don't care for their tastes in music, or because you don't feel they've grasped the concept of the competition in the way you meant it to be?
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Glad you feel that way.

*adds Radiohead song onto DI4 playlist because of this new revelation*
Cool, another reason not to vote for you.

I hope Desert Island IV is better than this one.

Though, just to give you a heart attack, my tracklist for the symphonic mini-tournament currently has only 4 artists (out of 15) that I haven't used this time around, and one of those four is Dream Theater - I'm surprised no-one has commented on the fact I omitted them from this tournament.
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People listen to these playlists to get exposed to new music.

If you use the same artists again, the music is no longer new to those people. Thus, I consider it a bit indulgent.

*thinks of a way to add another Radiohead-related song on DI4*
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People listen to these playlists to get exposed to new music.

If you use the same artists again, the music is no longer new to those people. Thus, I consider it a bit indulgent.

*thinks of a way to add another Radiohead-related song on DI4*
This is true, but think about people who might barely like some of your favorites.

Say Person A is a casual Wilco fan, and Person B puts on a Wilco track they've never heard before. Person A decides to delve more into Wilco fandom. All is right in the world.

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See, I think most of the n00b tracklists are pretty crap while the veterans are really coming into their own.
I gotta take issue with this. There's a definite emphasis on mood/flow all that good stuff, but in the end it's all about the songs. If it's not your tastes, that's cool, but at least give it a chance.
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Crap because you don't care for their tastes in music, or because you don't feel they've grasped the concept of the competition in the way you meant it to be?
That reminds me, Axver, you never commented on my playlist when it was being voted on; what did you think of it? Was it one of the iPod Shuffle-constructed n00b lists, or better?
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There's merit to both arguments though. It's easier for a first-timer to make a list as opposed to a third-timer making another one, you know?
I'm not sure I agree. I find that with practice, tracklists are coming to me with greater ease and they work much better and have more cohesion. All I have to do is avoid creating a rut for myself.

Though honestly, I think Stewart Island is the best tracklist I've ever made and I don't know how I'm meant to top it. Everything falls into place so perfectly and I can't believe how well the atmosphere came out. I'm somewhat surprised that Kapiti Island in general has received a better reception.
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Yet another tough choice. Two seasoned vets battle it out.

Had to go with IMP ultimately. He's still got the mojo.
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I'm not sure I agree. I find that with practice, tracklists are coming to me with greater ease and they work much better and have more cohesion. All I have to do is avoid creating a rut for myself.
All I know is there are 72 of my favorite songs I can't use again (I know I can use DI: Uno stuff, but what's the point?). It doesn't really matter if you're a n00b or not, if you're good at making good mixes than you're good at it, at least in my estimation.
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Crap because you don't care for their tastes in music, or because you don't feel they've grasped the concept of the competition in the way you meant it to be?
I think Axver means that the quality of concepts and the execution aren't on par with new people's playlists in previous games. On that I would agree. There is a real divide between the quality of veteran playlists and the newcomers. People who use a lot of the same artists are producing really exceptional playlists.
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All I know is there are 72 of my favorite songs I can't use again (I know I can use DI: Uno stuff, but what's the point?). It doesn't really matter if you're a n00b or not, if you're good at making good mixes than you're good at it, at least in my estimation.
Plus, for people like me who have been making playlists for many years, this isn't exactly their first time on the job. And, like LMP said, you either have an ear for it or you don't. You can get better over time, but some people are just fantastic at it from the start. (PS: I wasn't )
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