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Old 05-09-2007, 08:07 AM   #61
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Earlier in the thread you said that Lancemc and LMP had very B&C-esque playlists. Maybe we could have a prog/more out there playlist group, B&C group, newbie group and a group for the rest. That would make it so that in semi-finals we would have a wide variety of options and that might keep people's interest. What do you think, Axver?
Only problem was, I was using "B&C-esque" in a manner of stereotyping the playlists as standard popular fare for the usual crowd on this forum.

But if people are cool with that, then I could go with such a categorisation. My only concern is that the prog/out-there group could be essentially the same as this time around.
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Old 05-09-2007, 08:45 AM   #62
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Only problem was, I was using "B&C-esque" in a manner of stereotyping the playlists as standard popular fare for the usual crowd on this forum.

But if people are cool with that, then I could go with such a categorisation. My only concern is that the prog/out-there group could be essentially the same as this time around.
We could ditch the prog group but I definitely think that each group should be distinct and not "B&C-esque." In the semi-finals, there should be four very different sounding playlists.

There is one other thing that I want to throw out there. Perhaps we could add a visual element to the playlists. I'm thinking like an album cover. That would make each playlist unique and might make more people want to listen to the playlists. It would sort of be an extension of the paragraph. Great idea or terrible idea?
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We could ditch the prog group but I definitely think that each group should be distinct and not "B&C-esque." In the semi-finals, there should be four very different sounding playlists.

There is one other thing that I want to throw out there. Perhaps we could add a visual element to the playlists. I'm thinking like an album cover. That would make each playlist unique and might make more people want to listen to the playlists. It would sort of be an extension of the paragraph. Great idea or terrible idea?
Could it be an optional supplementary type piece of material? Sort of like the option to describe your intentions in a paragraph. That would be fun and wouldn't entail any worry on the part of those not visually inclined.
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We could ditch the prog group but I definitely think that each group should be distinct and not "B&C-esque." In the semi-finals, there should be four very different sounding playlists.
I agree with this. Perhaps we need to simply wait and see what sort of entries we get before we go splitting it into groups.

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There is one other thing that I want to throw out there. Perhaps we could add a visual element to the playlists. I'm thinking like an album cover. That would make each playlist unique and might make more people want to listen to the playlists. It would sort of be an extension of the paragraph. Great idea or terrible idea?
I'd be cool with adding that as another one of those optional things people can include. My only concern is that it may be difficult, especially for those who know little to nothing about how to edit images. I know that if I did anything, it would be very basic. Fortunately, what I have in store for the third installment of the full game lends itself to easy pictures.

Also, is there a forum policy on You Tube links? I'm not familiar with it if there is one. I was thinking that people could perhaps link to live performances or officially sanctioned music videos on You Tube, as I know that sort of stuff is allowed to be shared here. That could make it easier to introduce people to songs they don't know.
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Old 05-09-2007, 09:19 AM   #65
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I'd be cool with adding that as another one of those optional things people can include. My only concern is that it may be difficult, especially for those who know little to nothing about how to edit images. I know that if I did anything, it would be very basic. Fortunately, what I have in store for the third installment of the full game lends itself to easy pictures.

Also, is there a forum policy on You Tube links? I'm not familiar with it if there is one. I was thinking that people could perhaps link to live performances or officially sanctioned music videos on You Tube, as I know that sort of stuff is allowed to be shared here. That could make it easier to introduce people to songs they don't know.
All I was thinking of was something simple made in Paint. The color and feel of alone would make that entry unique. I think it should be an option. As for the YouTube links, I'm against them because it could take away from the concept of experiencing a playlist straight through.
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All I was thinking of was something simple made in Paint. The color and feel of alone would make that entry unique. I think it should be an option.
Right, yeah, I'd agree with adding that.

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As for the YouTube links, I'm against them because it could take away from the concept of experiencing a playlist straight through.
That's true, but let's be honest. How many people are actually experiencing the playlists in their entirety as it is? A pitiful amount of people requested the links. No-one has even asked for the link to my project since March, let alone actually downloaded anything. All my files have now expired and the competition is still active.

So I'd like to do something to allow people to actually hear at least SOME of the songs they don't know. I very much doubt You Tube links will cause anyone who's willing to fully experience the playlist to decide "no, I won't do that, I'll just watch a few videos", but it may allow some vote-for-what-they-know voters to know a little bit more before they vote.
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Right, yeah, I'd agree with adding that.



That's true, but let's be honest. How many people are actually experiencing the playlists in their entirety as it is? A pitiful amount of people requested the links. No-one has even asked for the link to my project since March, let alone actually downloaded anything. All my files have now expired and the competition is still active.

So I'd like to do something to allow people to actually hear at least SOME of the songs they don't know. I very much doubt You Tube links will cause anyone who's willing to fully experience the playlist to decide "no, I won't do that, I'll just watch a few videos", but it may allow some vote-for-what-they-know voters to know a little bit more before they vote.
I guess you're right. Hopefully, with this next one in the summer people will be more active.
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I guess you're right. Hopefully, with this next one in the summer people will be more active.
Yeah, I certainly hope that too. Especially because my entry for the third round will likely be more obscure than the one I entered this round, but I feel it is much more of a cohesive artistic statement, like your entry this tournament. I hate that tracklists that truly deserve to win fail to do so not because people genuinely prefer other tracklists, but because they just haven't bothered to listen to the material they don't know.

Maybe it's the length? Maybe if we take Liam's idea and go for 80 minute tracklists, that would not only challenge us more, but also mean people will be more willing to listen as it's less of an investment of time?
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Yeah, I certainly hope that too. Especially because my entry for the third round will likely be more obscure than the one I entered this round, but I feel it is much more of a cohesive artistic statement, like your entry this tournament. I hate that tracklists that truly deserve to win fail to do so not because people genuinely prefer other tracklists, but because they just haven't bothered to listen to the material they don't know.

Maybe it's the length? Maybe if we take Liam's idea and go for 80 minute tracklists, that would not only challenge us more, but also mean people will be more willing to listen as it's less of an investment of time?
I look forward to your entry. Frankly, I would prefer people be more creative with their lists. To me the best playlists in the competition outside of my own were you, GG, Liamcool and IMP because they created a mood and feeling that were unlike anything else in the competition. I'd rather see someone attempt to create something unique instead of a selection of songs. It almost feels like that extra effort isn't look at enough in the voting but that's just my opinion. I guess we are the "independent films" of the competition. I really hope the problem isn't the length because 240 minutes is perfect.
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My entry for the summer is going to blow away what I did this time around.
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I look forward to your entry. Frankly, I would prefer people be more creative with their lists. To me the best playlists in the competition outside of my own were you, GG, Liamcool and IMP because they created a mood and feeling that were unlike anything else in the competition. I'd rather see someone attempt to create something unique instead of a selection of songs. It almost feels like that extra effort isn't look at enough in the voting but that's just my opinion. I guess we are the "independent films" of the competition. I really hope the problem isn't the length because 240 minutes is perfect.
GG, IMP, and you really had some awesome stuff in terms of atmosphere going, and goodness, Liam got so unfairly trashed in the voting outcomes because I thought he showcased some really quality music from genres typically overlooked by B&C.

I suppose there ultimately isn't too much we can do to actually get people to experience the tracklists. That's the nature of anonymous online voting. Perhaps we should introduce some kind of "critics' choice" to the tournament? It would have no bearing on the overall result, but in the final thread, once the public have given their winner, we could have a small panel of people who have listened to everything submit some opinions. Maybe give awards for "best atmosphere", "most diverse tracklist", etc.? I'm not sure if that's a good idea or a really silly one.

And another one, one that I'm more confident in being a good idea, is that a poll of the contestants would be really interesting, to see which tracklist the 24 contestants think is the best - with the rule that you are not allowed to vote for yourself. What do you say to that?

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Considering how good your tracklist this tournament was, I'm really looking forward to your next submission.
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I suppose there ultimately isn't too much we can do to actually get people to experience the tracklists. That's the nature of anonymous online voting. Perhaps we should introduce some kind of "critics' choice" to the tournament? It would have no bearing on the overall result, but in the final thread, once the public have given their winner, we could have a small panel of people who have listened to everything submit some opinions. Maybe give awards for "best atmosphere", "most diverse tracklist", etc.? I'm not sure if that's a good idea or a really silly one.

And another one, one that I'm more confident in being a good idea, is that a poll of the contestants would be really interesting, to see which tracklist the 24 contestants think is the best - with the rule that you are not allowed to vote for yourself. What do you say to that?
I really like the "critic's choice" and award idea. I also like the idea of the vote for the best one. We should do those for this edition of the game. It would be a nice little gift for the 24 contestants especially for those that won't be around next time.
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I'd rather see someone attempt to create something unique instead of a selection of songs. It almost feels like that extra effort isn't look at enough in the voting but that's just my opinion. \
Maybe it's just me, but I thought irishteen kinda got screwed because a lot of people didn't listen to his play list, and it was so good simply BECAUSE he took the time to make it flow so well...but that's just my $.02
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I'd just like to throw something out there.

I understand the criticism of playlists like mine and LMP's for being "B&C-esque" or "ordinary" mine is. But you know what? This shouldn't have been called the "Desert Island Album Game" then. If I had set out to make the most "artistic" playlist, or just the most well-rounded or impressive list I could make, it would have looked a lot different.

I guess I'm just proposing a name change to the contest. I feel like some people are unfairly judging my list based on the "common-ness" of the artists or songs. Well, isn't that sort of the point of this? I want to be trapped on a desert island with songs that represent what I love most about my favorite artists right? And in that sense, if everyone actually made their playlists that way, what I consider the right way given the contest's name and intent, there would be no way to judge the lists anyway, since they'd be so personal.

So how about we just call the next competition a "Make the most kick-ass playlist you can" Game of something along those lines. Did that make any sense at all? I just woke up.
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Maybe it's just me, but I thought irishteen kinda got screwed because a lot of people didn't listen to his play list, and it was so good simply BECAUSE he took the time to make it flow so well...but that's just my $.02
And sadly, we've seen that it doesn't really pay off in the long run; the majority of semifinal playlists are lacking in flow. People just tend to vote for what they're comfortable with. I could have told you from the start that lancemc and LMP were going to get pretty far with their lists and that irishteen and liamcool were not. B&C is predictable.
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