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Old 06-09-2005, 11:26 AM   #121
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It's an October review. I didn't realize this until I caught part of the Coldplay Storytellers show on VH1 last night, but They are now in their late 20's. So by the time U2 were in their late 20's they had already recorded JT. So all I can say about my original post now is, uh,...never mind.

Heh, no worries man. It's the one thing that most people forget to take into account when they compare Coldplay and U2. Coldplay is at just about the same age as U2 were when they recorded their first masterpiece. And if you don't even want to go by age, U2's third album was MILES ahead of Coldplay's in terms of progression. It was very different to October. The only difference between X&Y and AROBTTH is a couple extra synths here and there and significantly worse writing from Chris Martin. So I don't see how some people (not necessarily at this forum, but at others) can get off saying that Coldplay are twice the band U2 ever were, because they're not. Even now, when U2 aren't making their most mind-boggling work, I still think they're musically superior to Coldplay. Though the progression from ATYCLB to HTDAAB wasn't huge, it was much greater than the progression between AROBTTH and X&Y, in my opinion.

And no, I'm not one of those mindless dolts who listened to X&Y once and came up with an opinion. I have genuinely listened to it a number of times, and I don't think it's living up to the hype. I liked Parachutes and most of AROBTTH, so I'm not just your average Coldplay basher either. On X&Y the drum patterns never seem to change, Chris Martin writes like a bloody middle-school student, and Jon Buckland is still obsessed with The Edge. I think they should seriously think of giving Buckland a good bash over the head - it might knock some originality into him. I'm not saying that The Edge was exactly a pioneer with his use of delay and atmospherics, but at least he took his influences and came up with a signature sound of his own, instead of regurgitating that of his idols. Jon Buckland is just emulating Edge to the nth degree. Remember that song, Moses? It's a good song, but the first time I heard it, I thought that someone must have fucked up the ID key on the MP3 - I thought it was a U2 song because of the guitar! The only thing I really like about X&Y is Guy Berryman's basslines. I've always liked his playing, even though it isn't exactly complicated.

Anyway, I've waffled on long enough. I'll just say this - when the COBL video comes out, the first Coldplay fan I see claiming that U2 ripped off Coldplay's video for Speed Of Sound will receive my foot so far up his/her arse, he/she won't be able to have proper bowel movement for weeks.
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You know, I really do like X & Y, but Martin really is a bad lyricist. This has to be said. The lyrics to "Fix You" are truely cringeworthy.

"When you try your best but you dont succeed.
When you get what you want but not what you need.
When you feel so tired but you can't sleep.
Stuck in reverse...
And the tears coming streaming down your face.
When you leave something you cant replace.
When you love someone but it goes to waste.
Could it be worse. Lights will guide you home.
And ingnite your bones. And I will try to fix you."


Hmmm. Ick.
Sounds like something Bono would write or sing...
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Sounds like something Bono would write or sing...
Yeah, but it doesn't mean they're not crap.
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the lyrics to "Fix You" are like something from Celine Dion.

Sure, Bono has written some quetionable lyrics at times, but he is ten times the songwriter that Chris Martin is......

Martin's lyrics are just laughable.
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Yeah, but it doesn't mean they're not crap.
You are correct. But Bono's wrote and sung quite a few in that style. Hell, the overrated Mercy comes to mind.
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the lyrics to "Fix You" are like something from Celine Dion.

Sure, Bono has written some quetionable lyrics at times, but he is ten times the songwriter that Chris Martin is......

Martin's lyrics are just laughable.
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this was not even funny the first time. you take lyrics completely out of context, in order to deflect attention from the utter shit that Martin writes. IMO, Miami is a cool song lyrically. at least it has some interesting imagery and is a little abstract, which i like.

i'll play the same game as you. here is another example of Martin's sophistication as a songwriter:

A Message

My song is love
Love to the loveless shown
And it goes on
You don't have to be alone

Your heavy heart
Is made of stone
And it's so hard to see you clearly
You don't have to be on your own
You don't have to be on your own

And I'm not gonna take it back
And I'm not gonna say I don't MEAN that
You're the target that I'm aiming at
Got to get that message home

My song is love
Love to the love UNKNOWN
But I'm on fire for you, clearly
You don't have to be on your own
You don't have to be on your own

And I'm not gonna take it back
Oh, I'm not gonna say I don't MEAN that
You're the target that I'm aiming at
And I'm nothing on my own
Got to get that message home

And I'm not gonna stand and wait
I'm not gonna leave it until it's much too late
On a platform, I'm gonna stand and say
That I'm nothing on my own
And I love you, please come home

My song is love, is love unknown
And I've got to get that message home.
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I didn't quote out of context. I could go ahead cut and paste Mercy and IMO that would be enough to counter or give an example of less then stellar lyrics by the Bono. Let's go way back and reference the Unforgettable Fire album (although a sonic classic) which had some goofy lyrics (taken as a whole) or bad verses.

As for Martin's lyrics... IMO he can be hit and miss just as Bono, Yorke, Gallagher, McCartney, etc. are when writing lyrics. No lyricists bat 1.000. Add to that the fact that lyrics are not poems. Lyrics within the context of the music played or the way they are sung can actually sound better then what is written on paper. IMO case in point is a song like Electrical Storm.

Bono has mentioned it with Where the Streets have No Name.


I agree with you about Miami though.
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great cd. 4 out of 5 stars from me...i especially am hooked on A Message...also have tix to see themin philly cant wait.


i dont get why interference people dont like them. its awesome music. and if its b/c they "want to be like U2"...who wouldnt? hell i if were in a band i would love to make it that big, wouldnt you model yourself after U2?
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I find X&Y to be just about as universal as a collection of songs can be. So universal in fact, that Chris has surpassed Bono's ability to write universally, and is instead in the realm of writing about absolutley nothing.

Listen to the songs, they're about nothing, and they blend together to form an album that equals 0% ambition and 0% improvement from their previous 2 efforts.

So this is basically Coldplay's ATYCLB I suppose, except it's their third album. I'd give em 5 albums total tops before the band retreats or breaks up.




And one of those 5 is definetly going to be an all-acoustic collection of Chris Martin covering country music classics
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Can't decide whether it is better than Rush of Blood, definately better than Parachutes.

Rush of Blood was a 5 star album
Parachutes was 3 and a half
At the moment I'm think X&Y is 4.5

Haven't written a massive review yet but here's a few thoughts

Best Tracks: White Shadows, Talk, X&Y, Swallowed in the Sea, What If, Square 1, Hardest Part

Weakest: Fix You, Til Kingdom Come

Lyrics: Great on some (Talk, X&Y, Square One, Message)

These songs are gonna translate brilliantly live.

The band is willing to change their sound, but if you don;t like Coldplay's MUSIC before, you probably won't lilke this.

To Affirm their greatness Coldplay need to make their 4th album an adventurous one.

Talk might be one of the best songs I've ever heard.
It encapsualtes everything I want to hear from a song
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