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This is a must see movie, I loved it. It's like that old style movie they don't make anymore. I love Ron Howard's movies, he just unabashedly shows his heart and soul through them.

Such an inspiring story, I recommend it . Especially if you're feeling down, it will lift your spirits and make you grateful for what you have. The beginning is quite depressing though, reminded me of Angela's Ashes.

Russell Crowe just blew me away, it was great to see him play a good guy for once. So did Paul Giamatti, if he gets robbed for an Oscar again that will be such an injustice.

It's based on the true story of boxer James Braddock. It made me want to know more about his life.
 
Excellent movie. :up: I saw it this morning.

The boxing scenes are quite brutal, but in stark contrast, the scenes of Jim at home with his family are warm and gentle. I am reminded all over why I love Russell Crowe, why he is my favorite actor. When the Oscar nominations are read out, his name is going to be among them.

I'm not a big Renee Zellweger fan -- I think she usually overacts -- but here she did a terrific job. And Paul Giamatti is just gold. Everything he does is brilliant.
 
the sports guy thought it could have been better...

By Bill Simmons
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Have we gone boxing-crazy?



When you consider those multiple Oscars for the wildly depressing "Million Dollar Baby"; the pop culture success of "The Contender"; the Corrales-Castillo tape making the rounds like Paris Hilton's first porn tape; excerpts of the script for "Rocky 6" in Sly magazine (that's right, Sly magazine); Gus Johnson's Emmy-caliber work on HDNet's "Lost Fights" (nobody has ever pimped a fighter with 30 losses better than Gus); Julio Cesar Chavez's record 236th comeback fight; and the city of Providence finally finding its pride in the pugilistic charm of Mr. Peter Manfredo Jr. ... I mean, at the rate we're going, Louis Gossett Jr. probably started training last week just in case somebody called him about "Diggstown 2."




Leading this boxing resurgence is "Cinderella Man," which I originally thought was based on the life story of JM J. Bullock from "Too Close for Comfort." Actually, it tells the story of former heavyweight champ James Braddock, who rose to prominence right after the Great Depression and inspired the nation much like Seabiscuit. (In fact, if Braddock ever fought Seabiscuit, it would have torn the country apart.) "Cinderella Man" seems to be getting pretty good buzz, so I might be in the minority here ... but I thought it was a likable, polished, ultimately frustrating movie. Sure, it's good. Sure, it's worth seeing. But this could have been a Pantheon Sports Movie if not for one insurmountable problem.



(Should I tell you the problem, or should you just see the movie and find out for yourself?)



(Ah, screw it.)




Here was the problem: The boxing scenes. They're a mess. They're confusing. They're not that entertaining to watch. Eventually, you end up more frustrated than anything. Wait, who's getting hit? Is that Russell Crowe? Why are they showing his legs? Cool, a wide shot, now I can see ... whoops, back to somebody's torso again. Who just got punched? I can't see ... is someone bleeding? Why's the crowd cheering? Why do they keep freezing the film as someone lands a punch? Wait, whose shoulder is that? Why are we looking at the crowd again? On and on it goes. These fights made me so dizzy, I started hoping for quick knockouts so we could be treated to more of the Great Depression.



Was Crowe realistic as a boxer? After two-plus hours, I still couldn't tell you. He looks like a '30s boxer, right down to the natural muscle tone and the thick trunk below his chest, and he held his hands the right way and seemed to be snapping punches. Other than that, your guess is as good as mine. Because director Ron Howard edited everything briskly, avoided wide shots and filmed everything tighter than Fox's dugout close-ups during the baseball playoffs – seriously, when has that ever worked in a sports movie??? – you can't get a feel for the little stuff like "Wow, Crowe has great footwork!" and "Holy crap, he actually took that punch right in the jaw!" Isn't that one of the enjoyable subplots in any boxing movie?



And that brings us to the whole Ron Howard problem. He has been involved in a whopping seven movies that were cool ideas but left me feeling they should have been better – "Backdraft," "Parenthood," "The Paper," "Apollo 13" (I thought this was long and pretentious), "Ransom," "The Missing," and "EdTV" (a really funny idea that should have worked). But since he has a résumé of 80's comedies ("Night Shift," "Cocoon," "Splash" and "Gung Ho"), as well as an Oscar-winning masterpiece ("A Beautiful Mind"), he's one of those rare directors whose name can help sell a movie. Personally, I think he's a hit-or-miss director who picks his projects better than just about anyone. But what do I know? I'm a sports columnist.



Still, there's one thing I do know: Sports movies. And you can't screw up the sports scenes in a sports movie. You just can't. It's like screwing up the sex scenes in a porn movie, or screwing up the romantic scenes in a chick flick. But since Howard has reached such an exalted status, there probably isn't one person in his life who could have stood up to him and said, "Yo, those sports scenes are crummy, you need to fix them."



Hence, an opportunity lost. Think about it. Howard had the following elements in place for a quality sports movie:



1. The perfect story
Rising boxing star Braddock gets sidetracked by the Great Depression, goes completely broke, has to grovel just to feed his family, gets one last chance at a comeback bout with 24 hours' notice ... then turns his career around (inspired by his second chance), becomes a hero to the masses and eventually captures the heavyweight title. And by the way, this actually happened.



2. The perfect background
What's more riveting from a dramatic standpoint than the Great Depression? In fact, they would make more movies about the Depression if it weren't so freaking depressing.


3. The perfect sport
There's a reason Hollywood has made a kajillion boxing movies. You never see a movie about an aging champ trying to hold onto his title – it's always some underdog rising from obscurity and becoming a better person in the process, and there's always a trainer with a lively personality, and there's always a love interest who thinks he shouldn't keep boxing, and everything leads to the final heroic fight against the Big Bad Villain. It's a formula, but it works. And now that we've had a Depression boxing movie, the only possible settings that Hollywood hasn't tapped yet are a Nazi war camp and the Special Olympics (and those are probably on the horizon).



4. The perfect lead
That's Crowe, probably the best living actor right now. When he adopts an accent (like Braddock's Jersey accent), you never have to worry about a Costner-like debacle. When he throws himself into an action movie (like in "Gladiator"), you feel like he's really fighting. When he alters his appearance and plays a character (like in "The Insider"), you immediately forget it's him. When he's mailing it in for a paycheck (like with "Mystery, Alaska"), he leaves you with no doubt whatsoever. And so on. In this movie, I would give him the "He's never been better" tag, but I can't imagine topping "Gladiator." He's nearly as good. It's close. Crowe alone makes the movie worth seeing – like with the scene where he shows up at his old boxing haunt to panhandle money. Devastating scene. There might be actors as good as Russell Crowe, but nobody is better than him. He's the Tim Duncan of Hollywood. You're always in good hands.



5. The perfect sidekick
That's Paul Giamatti as Braddock's fast-talking trainer, coming off like a good-natured version of his sleazeball radio exec who tortured Howard Stern in "Private Parts." And there was some luck here – it took them nearly two years to complete this movie, and during that time, "Sideways" was released and became a surprise hit. So Giamatti's involvement raised everyone's hopes (including mine). Although they could have thrown in a "I'm not drinking [bleeping] merlot! I'm not kidding! I will walk out of there!" scene.



6. The perfect wet blanket girlfriend
That's Renee Zellweger as Braddock's resilient wife, perfect casting because nobody from the '20s and '30s was that attractive – they all had squishy faces and bad haircuts (just like Renee in this movie). Ever since she gained all that weight in "Bridget Jones," I'm not sure what happened to her, but she doesn't even look normal anymore. Still, she's a good actress, and when she starts pulling the inevitable "I don't want you to get killed" routine, you're liking her and hating her at the same time. She's like Talia Shire crossed with Ellen Barkin.



So when Howard throws these elements together, then executes the first grueling hour of the movie flawlessly – when Braddock's life slowly falls apart, and you're just dying for the guy – your expectations start climbing. Holy crap. What a movie! I can't wait for the boxing scenes! And then the first fight just clunks. So does the second one. And the third one. By the time the championship fight rolled around, I was zoning out and thinking about things like "Did I remember to cash checks this week?" and "Am I going to make it home in time to beat the transaction deadline in my roto league?" From a rewatchability standpoint (a crucial element for any great sports movie), I can't imagine sitting through this thing a second time. Oh, well. It's still worth seeing, if only because of Crowe. Just be prepared to be mildly disappointed (as well as mildly cross-eyed) by the time it's over.



Anyway, "Cinderella Man" got me thinking ...



My Comcast cable system carries about 75 movie channels. HBO alone is represented with eight different channels: HBO, HBO2, HBO3, HBO On Demand, HBO Family, HBO Comedy, HBO HDTV and HBO Latino – my favorite, because I've seen "Boogie Nights" so many times, the only way I can enjoy it anymore is by watching it in another language. Soy la estrella más grande aquí! Usted no es el jefe de mí! But I always find myself wishing that they distinguished the channels better than the generic brand names. For instance, I watched "Copland" last weekend on a channel called "Encore Mystery," which was funny in itself (that they actually spun off Encore). But you know what you're getting with Encore Mystery. You're getting mysteries. Same with HBO Comedy or Black Starz (another one of my favorites, since you could never get away with a channel called White Starz).


So why not go further? Why can't every channel more clearly define its territory? HBO 2 could change its name to HBO Inferior. Cinemax 2 could become The Naked Channel. I want a Big Stars Channel (just Eastwood, Cruise, Stallone and the other megastars). I want a Sports Movies Channel, an Unintentional Comedy Channel, even a Mafia Movie Channel. Most of all, I want an Unrealized Potential Channel (UPC for short) for movies that should have been fantastic but somehow left you strangely disappointed. "Copland" was definitely like that for me (the ending was too preposterous). Same with "Casino," "He Got Game," "Beverly Hills Cop 2," "Boomerang," "Can't Hardly Wait," "Magnolia," "Any Given Sunday," "Ransom," "Ali" and about 250 other movies that bothered me even as I was somewhat enjoying them.



Here's why I'm telling you this: "Cinderella Man" might have been the all-time UPC movie. Fortunately, we're in the middle of a boxing renaissance, so we only have to wait three weeks until the next boxing flick comes out. Have they made a Civil War boxing movie yet? Somebody could make some real money with that one.



(Actually, forget I asked ... um ... I have to go ... )



Final Grade: B
 
Why do they keep freezing the film as someone lands a punch?

Did this guy actually watch the movie? When that happens, it was either because a) Braddock was getting hurt, like when he broke his hand or his ribs, or b) to show the severity of the blow, like when Max Baer landed those incredible knockouts of his.
 
Havn't seen the movie, yet. How do the boxing scenes compare to Raging Bull? I've always thought Raging Bull depicted the brutality of in ring action better than any other boxing movie.
 
It was a good to great movie.
Loved the theme.

Braddock's kids were adorable:hug:
Russell Crowe did a good job, you almost forgot he was a jerk in real life.
The trainer did a good acting job.

I agree w the one review, it's like Ron Howard movies are just a bit too polished.
I didn't mind the boxing scenes being hard to follow..I think that was meant to be from the boxers' eyes and senses.
Rene Z had good moments but her performance was fair to good. She was better in Jerry Maguire.

Steve Rea did a decent job.

db9
 
here he goes again..

NEW YORK - The actor Russell Crowe was arrested Monday morning for allegedly throwing a telephone at an employee of the Manhattan hotel where he was staying, police said.

Crowe, 41, who plays a boxer in his latest film "Cinderella Man," allegedly threw the phone at the Mercer Hotel employee, striking him in the face, during an argument at around 4:20 a.m., said police spokesman Sgt. Mike Wysokowski.

The Australian movie star was arrested and charged by police with second degree assault, Wysokowski said. Crowe was expected to appear in Manhattan Criminal Court later on Monday.

An employee who answered the phone at the Mercer Hotel in SoHo said he was unaware of the incident.
 
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MrsSpringsteen said:
here he goes again..

NEW YORK - The actor Russell Crowe was arrested Monday morning for allegedly throwing a telephone at an employee of the Manhattan hotel where he was staying, police said.

Crowe, 41, who plays a boxer in his latest film "Cinderella Man," allegedly threw the phone at the Mercer Hotel employee, striking him in the face, during an argument at around 4:20 a.m., said police spokesman Sgt. Mike Wysokowski.

The Australian movie star was arrested and charged by police with second degree assault, Wysokowski said. Crowe was expected to appear in Manhattan Criminal Court later on Monday.

An employee who answered the phone at the Mercer Hotel in SoHo said he was unaware of the incident.

Thug
 
:rolleyes:

Crowe vs. Clooney, Round 3

Russell Crowe, whose critical kudos for "Cinderella Man" failed to translate to big box office this weekend, just can't seem to break out of his brawling character. Not only did he get arrested early Monday morning after allegedly channeling Naomi Campbell and winging a phone at a hotel employee's face, but the temperamental Oscar winner is once again sparring with George Clooney, this time by taking jabs at his acting skills.

Seems Crowe is still steamed over the former Sexiest Man Alive's remarks back in February, when he dissed the prickly Aussie actor's band, Thirty Odd Foot of Grunts, calling it "a bad use of celebrity."

George, you'll recall, was responding to Russell's accusation that shilling products is "a complete contradiction of the [bleeping] social contract you have with your audience."

Not one to let things lie (as that beleaguered hotel employee apparently learned the hard way), Crowe now says Clooney is unable to play anyone except George Clooney.

"The contract is to live up to the job," he says (via Australia's Sunday Herald Sun). "The job is to take on other characters, otherwise just call every character you play the same name, mate. What's the character in this film, George? George, is it? Good, George. George plays George in the new movie, 'George.'"

(This same charge was often leveled at Cary Grant, whose career didn't turn out too shabby, even by Crowe's exacting standards.)

Although the volatile "Gladiator" star doesn't have much of a sense of humor when it comes to his art (in 2002, he berated a producer at the BAFTAs who had the audacity to cut short his acceptance speech), he claims he was amused by Clooney's comments.

"I had a good laugh when Clooney tried to align his doing ads for suits and a car and a drink -- a full commercial portfolio -- to what I do as a musician," he explains of his little-heard recordings. "An endorsement for products is about money. My music is from the heart."

Crowe, who has boasted that his new ditty "Raewyn" "is the only song I've ever written that has made both men and women cry, think, and call their parents, usually in that order," also takes issue with Clooney co-opting "Ocean's Eleven" from those he considers true talents.

"But what I enjoyed, greatly, is nobody seemed to get the irony that one major franchise in George Clooney's life is based on the work of Sammy Davis Jr., Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin," he rails. "Sammy, Frank and Dean were entertainers in a real sense. And Clooney climbed over their bones in order to enable him to pick up an endorsement for suits."

But hey, don't get the wrong idea from that whole "climbed over their bones" thing. Insists Crowe, "This is not an attack on George. I've got nothing against him. I've only met him once and I thought he was a charming bloke. But I have a really old-fashioned attitude about the work. I believe if you take on characters for a living, you can't suddenly make that a singular iconographic in order to sell a pair of shoes or a credit card."

And it turns out Clooney (who, by the by, packed on the pounds to transform himself in the upcoming drama "Syriana") isn't the only actor to have his thespian cred questioned by Crowe. He's also duking it out with Craig Bierko, who goes mano-a-mano with him in "Cinderella Man."

"Craig was really out of his depth. He'd never been in this sort of movie and never had this type of responsibility. There was no possibility of failure," Crowe recently told Entertainment Weekly. "He kind of came in with ... this sort of foppish, Long Island kind of actor-y idea. And it's like, 'Mate, you cannot hide with this. You're in a pair of shorts and boots -- that's it, buddy.' I had to help him get into that groove."

Crowe's idea of "help": excluding Bierko -- and only Bierko -- from his 40th birthday party on the Toronto set of the Ron Howard-directed flick.

"I was like, I get it!" Bierko told the Los Angeles Times last month. "It was made very clear to me by people involved in the movie that Russell wouldn't be friendly to me because I was playing his adversary. Not because of any other reason than that's how Russell works ... You have to allow yourself to be caught up in it, and then you have to let it go. And it's a very tricky thing to do. There's not a lot of actors who do that anymore. This guy is helping you -- helping you want to kill him."

Crowe was arraigned Monday on charges of second-degree assault and fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon (i.e. the phone). He's due back in court Sept. 14.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:

Crowe, who has boasted that his new ditty "Raewyn" "is the only song I've ever written that has made both men and women cry, think, and call their parents, usually in that order,"
He forgot "puke and jab sharp objects into their ears to attempt to pierce their eardrums to make "Raewyn" go away. :wink:
 
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Russell Crowe is the most misunderstood man in the movies today. I am so sick of the media tagging people with stereotypical personalities. Most people have several layers of personality.

So what if RC has a temper and doesn't like talking to reporters? He just likes making good movies, but realizes there's more to life than movies and playing the celebrity game. It's just too bad that he comes off as seeming "better than everyone else" :shrug: He doesn't give a shit if everyone likes him or not. I find it refreshing.

Oh, and in related topics... :wink:

Cinderella Man = as close to a perfect movie as I've seen in YEARS. :bow:

30 Odd Foot of Grunts (now disbanded :sad: ) = great albums and AWESOME shows! He remains my 2nd favorite lead singer (living).
 
Different people have very different opinions of him, and with everything he says, you think "jerk" but also "he's right". His actions though are nothing short of thuggish and downright stupid for so many reasons.

One thing is true though; he's a fucking outstanding actor, and on screen certainly leaves people like George Clooney well and truly in his dust. In fact there are probably only 4 or 5 (if that) well known ('A list') actors that could even dare be listed alongside him.
 
u2girlcj said:

30 Odd Foot of Grunts (now disbanded :sad: ) = great albums and AWESOME shows! He remains my 2nd favorite lead singer (living).

I agree with your entire post, u2girlcj! But I had to single this part out. I saw TOFOG at a show in Austin, Texas, and it was one of the most amazing concerts I've ever been to. :yes:
 
I agree, he is an outstanding actor

But maybe his seeming lack of humility and macho posturing tends to detract from all that. I remember when he was filming Beautiful Mind and he gave the finger to some college students who were watching him film..is that really necessary?

He acts like an overgrown boy sometimes, and it looks classless. What's the need to start a catfight :wink: with George Clooney? He should just let his talent speak for itself.

The movie was fantastic and I wish more people would see it.
 
miss becky said:


I agree with your entire post, u2girlcj! But I had to single this part out. I saw TOFOG at a show in Austin, Texas, and it was one of the most amazing concerts I've ever been to. :yes:

Was that the show that they taped for the DVD? :hyper: SO Good! I saw them in Portland on that tour and then the Chicago show for the last album and I just loved both those shows!!! I want to learn to play the trumpet like Stewart!! :love:
 
I saw the movie last night (70 years after the Max baer fight).

Good movie.

Bulldog of Bergen (county, where I grew up).

I think they did a great job turning Maple Leaf Gardens and Toronto to look as if it were Depression era NYC.
 
u2girlcj said:
:mad:

Russell Crowe is the most misunderstood man in the movies today. I am so sick of the media tagging people with stereotypical personalities. Most people have several layers of personality.

So what if RC has a temper and doesn't like talking to reporters? He just likes making good movies, but realizes there's more to life than movies and playing the celebrity game. It's just too bad that he comes off as seeming "better than everyone else" :shrug: He doesn't give a shit if everyone likes him or not. I find it refreshing.

Oh, and in related topics... :wink:

Cinderella Man = as close to a perfect movie as I've seen in YEARS. :bow:


Wow, I completely agree. You know why people think Russell's a jerk? B/c tabloids and other trash like US Weekly and People can't stand him b/c he refuses to be part of the whole Hollywood celeb scene. OH NO we've got a man who prefers to stay home in Australia w/ his wife and kid and gets pissed when paparazzi stalk him!!! :rolleyes: I don't really give a shit how accessible he is b/c it doesn't change the fact that Crowe is a complete package - he's hot, he's an amazing actor, and he's got his own personality whether it fits the mold or not.

If you don't like him, fine, but don't judge his talent based on that. You can be thankful he'll return to hiding in Australia as soon as the movie hype fades.
 
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