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Old 03-09-2004, 12:53 AM   #1
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Canucks?!?!

I know I'm responding on pure emotion and hatred at this point, but WTF is wrong with Todd Bertuzzi???? What a Goddamn cheapshotting sucker puncher! It's that I just can't take. Out and out premeditated, cowardly chicken !!!! Then the Vancouver fans at the game throwing things at the Avs. What a bunch of Canadian morons!!!

Everyone may point to the Claude Lemiux incident, and say what is an Avs fan doing complaining about something like this. Well, guess what? That happened in the course of a play, and no, I'm not defending it, but it was in the course of a play. Not this yellow bellied, punching from behind bull that Bertuzzi pulled. I can't believe this.

You guys don't even have the heart to respect the fact that a guy is freakin injured, a Goddamn head injury for Christ'ssake, no people are still throwing at the Avs.

You should have some respect, you saw this happen to Brashear, and you should know that this doesn't fly, you had criminal charges pressed for Christ'ssake. Wow, there better be suspensions, they better press charges.

AND ABOVE ALL, you better hope Steve Moore is fucking okay, because, that is makes me want to FUCKING PUKE!!!!
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i think there's a whole thread dedicated to the canucks

it's called 'NHL 2003/2004'
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so then somebody move it or tell me how
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i'm kidding!

don't worry about it. it's a joke. someone was going to make the comment, i just wanted to be the first to do it.
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sorry, i'm still a little torqued, and am avoerly defensive, but you might have noticed that already, so at this point the humor kinda goes over my head, you're right though, it is bound to come up.
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@ IWB!!

Well, the Canucks lawyer Mr. Griffiths is currently in India, so we won't get to hear his eloquent and thought provoking defense of Mr. Bertuzzi--a lead contender for the Lady Byng if I ever saw one.
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yeah it was terrible, but the really terrible thing is i have him on my fantasy team, and if he gets a long suspension i am screwed, cause its the playoffs
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Ummmm, can we not judge all Canadians by the actions of a Vancouver hockey crowd?

I am Canadian...and I thought that the cheap shot was a cheap shot to the game. Eventhough I think he's a good player....that kind of action cannot stand in the NHL...I hope he is suspended for the rest of the season (including playoffs).
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@ IWB!!

Well, the Canucks lawyer Mr. Griffiths is currently in India, so we won't get to hear his eloquent and thought provoking defense of Mr. Bertuzzi--a lead contender for the Lady Byng if I ever saw one.

don't laugh at me, i stole the joke from edgeman.

aah so that's why it's been so quiet. he's not here...
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Edgeman-and all Canadians, I apologize. That was not fair nor called for. I should of said a group of people with poor judgement at the Canucks game who acted like morons. No country should be labeled based on the actions of a few people in a single town. when they play in Edmonton on Wednesday, I have no reason to expect anything other than a well contested, well played hockey game, and a respectful (and extremely knowledgable) Edmonton crowd.

With that being said-I hope Todd does feel "terrible" and that he is "very upset." Why Couldn't Bertuzzi speak for himself after the game? He has the balls to do something like this in the game, in front of the world, but then when it comes to standing up and taking responsibility for his actions, and if he does feel sorry for them, God forbid apologizing.

Also, I would like to congratulate David Aebischer for not fighting. For realizing that Hedberg is not worth his time, and that something like that would have only marred the situation further. If only someone from the Canucks would've had that thought pass through their heads.

I hope we find out about Steve Moore's condition today, and hopefully, he's alright. Steve you're in my prayers!
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Well, being that this type of thing has been going on for years, I really dont see what the big deal is.

The hockey world is an eye for an eye. Moore injured Naslund, Bertuzzi took out Moore; thats the way things happen. Teams battle back and forth over this type of thing all the time, and yes, the Claude Lemieux incident is one of the more recent examples. Sure, the Lemieux incident happened during play, but so what? You can't say that a blatant attempt to injure, such as a hit from behind or a spear, is okay during play but not after play. If that were the case, then why are scrums in front of the net, in the corners, and ultimately all fights allowed to occur at all? In the NHL, if you try to injure someone, someone will try to injure you. Its happened in other cases already this year, though not quite as brutal and cheap as this... but hey, thats what enforcers are paid for. Look at the rivalries Detroit has had over the past 10-15 years. Look at players like McSorley, Samuelson, Buchburger, Probert, Domi; players who make their living off of this kind of thing. We wont discuss McSorley though, that whole incident was one pitiful mistake.

Anyways, that doesnt make it okay, that doesnt make it right, but thats how it is. I don't support Bertuzzi's actions, but I certainly don't support Moore clearly taking a run at Naslund and having that attack go unanswered; or as an attempt to injure, any different from the Bertuzzi punch. An attempt to injure is an attempt to injure.


Now, not directly in response, Ive been watching a lot of TV on the matter, since today is the trade deadline and invariably there is hockey news abounds. This whole "he jumped on him and ran his face straight into the ice" stuff that Ive been hearing is a load of crap. I was watching the game, and watched the replay this morning: the punch knocked Moore out, at which point he fell, and it looked as though Bertuzzi tripped and fell on him as he was falling haplessly towards the ice - its not like he was trying to drive his skull into the ice. The whole "left him lying in a pool of blood" stuff that the sensationalized media has been spreading around, too, is a load of garbage. Anyone who knows the rules of hockey, written or otherwise, knows that if a player is on the ice and injured, the opposing team is not allowed anywhere near them - the officials just won't allow it. To the end of 'pool of blood' they have clearly not watched a replay of the goaltender who had his jugular cut open by a skate blade. You watch that, and then come back and tell me wether someone with a bleeding forehead or a small splattering of blood on the ice is a pool. Ive seen Darcy Tucker and Jeremy Roenick busted up pretty good this year, and the after-effects of the Domi elbow from a year or two ago - and really, this isnt out of the ordinary. People like to embellish the facts.

That, however, is neither here nor there.


Bertuzzi, as with all these cases, will no doubt be obligated to issue a formal public appology in a league sanctioned press conference. The reason why he isnt doing it now is because of the possible legal ramifications, if he hasnt been advised by his lawyer what is and is not okay to say, he will not publicly incriminate himself - regardless of the fact, the punch was televised, its just a legal thing.


Really, I hope Moore is alright too, but from all the hockey Ive watched in the past 13 or so years; as long as I can actively retain memory, in fact - this was one of the least gruesome or appauling things Ive seen.


If we want to discuss anything even remotely disgusting or nauseating, it might be worth discussing the booing of national anthems at sporting events. If anything can be said to not be a part of the game, that is it.
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sorry, but i don't by that eye for an eye crap. there are ways to go about getting retribution that fall within the acceptable bounds of hockey behavior. play the body on him all night, get him in a fight, beat the shit out of him in a fight, but don't come at him from behind and take the cowards way out. that is not the way to get payback for your team, and put and end to the situation, all that it does is put a guy in the hospital.

oh, and if you want an eye for an eye, he should have been goin for his knees. take him out for a couple games, but don't endanger the guy's life.


also, if you can say that bertuzzi punched him, and then tripped into him, which is what caused him to be slammed to the ice like that, you must be on acid. honestly, take the beer goggles off and view the play for what it was, and don't try to defend this senseless crap that had absolutely no part in the game.
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Since I'm no longer an Avs fan, I cannot be accused of bias--so I can say you are way off on this.

Yeah, hockey is brutal. That sort of lawless, players police themselves rule is why I like it. But the Bertuzzi hit was criminal, plain and simple. It is not a punch, and then Moore falls--Bertuzzi clearly tackles him. Watch Moore's helmet and neck--the compression it took to break his neck does not occur from a mere punch and fall. Moore's helmet collapses inward. If you've ever handled a hockey helmet, you know that they don't exactly bend easily.

Arguing about the amount of blood on the ice is simply irrelevant. There was alot. And yeah, less than when Berard lost his eye. So what?

Moore's hit on Naslund was nowhere close--you can pull up debate in the NHL season thread. Where cooler heads prevailed (i.e. outside of Vancouver) everyone agreed that it was a legal hit. The injury occured because Naslund had his head down. Again, if you watch the footage on that one, Moore doesn't take "a run" at Naslund, they collide and hit.

Not to mention, Vancouver and Colorado have played each other twice since that hit--and nothing happened. So this wasn't really about "an eye for an eye." This was typical Todd Bertuzzi--the team is losing, so I'm going to go thug it up. I've seen him do it in every Vancouver-Colorado playoff. And look at how the rest of the game was played. It was ugly. Emotions were high.

Like I said, usually nothing makes me happier than when a player revenges another player. I've got nothing against old time hockey rules. Fights are cool. But this is simply criminal, I don't care what two teams are involved.
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I already told you, Bertuzzi fell on him as a result of Moore being knocked unconcious. If youre going to attack me, the very least you can do is actually read what I said. Whether Bertuzzi went down with him, he was going to hit the ice, theres no two ways about that. He fell limp as a rag doll, and to use your words, 'perhaps you should take off the beer goggles and get off the acid'.


So going for the knees and risking ending someones career is more right than knocking someone unconcious and risking the very same? Theres only been one death on the ice, and that was a heart attack. Furthermore, comparing Moore to Kevin Stevens, or that Montreal player from a couple years back who took a slapshot to the throat that crushed his throat, or the Toronto player who took a stick to the eye that cost him is vision; I hardly call this life-threatening.

Cowardly or not, this is nothing new or spectacular.
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Betuzzi JUMPED on him and made him fall.

Bertuzzi is a fucking piece of shit for a humor!
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