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Old 08-21-2005, 03:22 PM   #16
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'Broken Dreams' is nauseating to me. It sounds heavy handed, to me.
Agreed. But, I would extend that sentiment towards the entire record, myself. The apparent parlor trick of a concept-album pulled off by Green Day doesn't hold much weight when you compare it with the rest of their catalogue. There has been no dramatic progression of their sound on the basis of an individual song, and the "new direction" for the band is simply a synthesis of a group of songs that are filled with the style that appealed to the masses in previous releases. Examples like Good Riddance (Time of Your Life) and Brian Stew come to mind as pre-cursors for Wake Me Up When September Ends and Boulevard of Broken Dreams, and a handful of others from Nimrod and Warning have the same feel. The "subversive" anti-authoritative/anti-institutional sentiments have always been present in Green Day records (Warning especially)... I guess the only change I see is that they are more subtle on a whole.

I would compare Green Day's transition with The Goo Goo Dolls' decision to become an adult contemporary band after the success of "Iris", but the more suitable reference would probably be with Coldplay's "evolution" from Parachutes to X and Y. I am solely talking about approach to styles and ideas there... the comparisons have nothing to do with a ranking or value judgement regarding any of those bands.

Is an album truly considered a masterpiece or a step forward when it is merely an aggregate of all the accessible sounds from a band's predecessor records? To me, that would be better classified as a retrospective or greatest hits... and a signal that the band may want to explore new ideas instead of a shiny, polished re-tread of what people responded to.

At the end of the DAY (GEDDIT!!!) though, American Idiot is still a well-produced and executed record that embarrasses the hell out of its mainstream rock counterparts. But is that really saying much?

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Not bad for a bunch of 'three chord' wankers.
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I don't like AI...but I like that Good Riddance song from awhile ago. Mostly cos it's the only song I can play all the way through on guitar that doesn't sound like complete shit.
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I like the old green day stuff better
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I don't like AI...but I like that Good Riddance song from awhile ago. Mostly cos it's the only song I can play all the way through on guitar that doesn't sound like complete shit.
Yes, I also love playing this song. It reminds me of Seinfeld
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Is an album truly considered a masterpiece or a step forward when it is merely an aggregate of all the accessible sounds from a band's predecessor records?
is how to dismantle an atomic bomb not the absolute zenith of u2's creativity?
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Isn't it though!

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is how to dismantle an atomic bomb not the absolute zenith of u2's creativity?
what the hell is going on here?
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American Idiot is miles ahead of How To Blah Blah Blah.
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I like the song "Wake Me Before September Ends" but I hated the sappy dialouge between the two young actors at the beginning of the video. I had to hit the mute button. I also couldn't stand the girl screaming "OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!" in the middle of the video.
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what the hell is going on here?
insanity my dear sweet lmj.
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American Idiot is miles ahead of How To Blah Blah Blah.
i'm sorry but this i cannot agree with.
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Green Day is at their all-time best, while U2 is at their all-time worst.



Yes, I can write stupid posts with the best of 'em.
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i'm sorry but this i cannot agree with.
With AI, I see a band not only pushing their creative envelope and expanding their musical horizons but mastering them as well.

With HTDAAB, I see a band excelling in what they do best but also what they know will work and will give them more success for sure. There is no risk, no chances taken, just a formula for the most part.

Hence I prefer the former.
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