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Old 02-13-2002, 03:02 AM   #61
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sula--finally! Someone besides me who remembers old figure skating...whoo hoo!
(I've got 94/98 on tep..I'm obsessed )
For the record, Natalia Mishketonek and Artur Dimitriev WERE FANTASIC. I thought they even desrved the gold again in 1994. 'Course, I'd be hard to agree now that Sergei Grinkov is dead, so he and Gordeeva rank sentimental points. They were quite good as well though.

All these block judging problems....and we're surprised that this is happening now?

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Old 02-13-2002, 03:04 AM   #62
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Glad I'm not the only one that feels so passionately about the crime that occured last night. But to look on the positive- the Canadians can now retire and make suitcases of money doing exhibition shows, while no one will want to have anything to do with the Russians. They were good too. Just not as magical as Canada.
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Glad I'm not the only one that feels so passionately about the crime that occured last night. But to look on the positive- the Canadians can now retire and make suitcases of money doing exhibition shows, while no one will want to have anything to do with the Russians. They were good too. Just not as magical as Canada.
I dunno...I'm not sure no one will want to have anything to do with the Russians. They are still great skaters. It was hardly their fault, but they probably aren't feeling too great about how things turned out right now. I hope they aren't.

I wonder if Sale and Pelletier will retire? They could certainly go on for at least another year or two, I think. But something like this is pretty disheartening.



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sula--finally! Someone besides me who remembers old figure skating...whoo hoo!
(I've got 94/98 on tep..I'm obsessed )
For the record, Natalia Mishketonek and Artur Dimitriev WERE FANTASIC. I thought they even desrved the gold again in 1994. 'Course, I'd be hard to agree now that Sergei Grinkov is dead, so he and Gordeeva rank sentimental points. They were quite good as well though.

All these block judging problems....and we're surprised that this is happening now?
gahhh! Finally someone else who agrees with me on that! You are my new best friend. I was the ONLY one watching the 94 Games that thought Gordeeva and Grinkov deserved the silver and not the gold. In the end, I suppose it comes down to the whole "apples and oranges" thing because G&G's style was completely different than M&D. But give me emotional, flowing theatrical M&D over simplistic, classical G&G any day.

btw, I have the 92 and 94 Olympic figure skating on tape (but not Nagano because I was living at a college dorm and didn't have a VCR) and am taping these Olympics as well. *geek*

And no, I'm not surprised about the block judging...just disappointed. I thought that perhaps it would be a thing of the past. It seems to me that a competition should be judged as to who is the best team/skater ON THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT. Not a reflection of who the judges think is the best overall. Conceivably, the Russian pair (not even going to TRY spelling their names. lol) is the better team, but last night they were not. And that is what the marks should reflect.

Anyways, nice to know I'm not the only skating freak around here.

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Me too, hey I have everything since the '84 Olympics on tape! Politics always comes into play and it makes me mad! I remember back in '84 my brother and my boyfriend rooted for Katarina Witt over USA's own Rosalynn Sumners because they said Rosaylnn's hair was too short and ugly and Katarina had long hair and a prettier dress, (especially when it flew up) It seems like they always rotate which 'bloc' the gold metal skater is from- 1976 Dorothy Hamill(US) 1980 Annet Poetch (old East Germany which was Communist then though USA's Linda Fratienne was better) then Katarina won 2 in a row, then you had Kristi Yamaguchi, then Oksana (unfairly over Nancy) then in '98 Tara Lipinski won. That's why I worry now for Michelle Kwan, because an American won last time, they will likely try to give it to an old 'eastern bloc' girl this time. I am not predicting but I will not be surprised if she is robbed as well. Maybe not though, it is her home field and with all the patriotism it would be a good story, plus I'm sure no other US skaters will be medaling.

Good luck tonight to Elvis, I hope he finally gets his gold.

I too am SO happy to find other skating freaks to talk to, this Olympics is going to be fun! Just this morning I was afraid I'd start a skating thread and it would drop with no responses. Thanks to all you who want to discuss skating, we can do this after every event now.

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*sigh* Yeah, it was sad to watch the KING place so low last night. Another deduction for Elvis might have come on his footwork into triple lutz sequence. He held an edge for long enough before the jump that the judges may have marked off for that. Still tho, I was pretty shocked at the 4.9. I would have thought more like mid 5's. But then again, in my memory, the judges have never been overly fond of Elvis. That's what comes of skating to your own drum, I guess.

I do think of the two Russian guys, I prefer Yagudin over Plushenko...and I would be surprised if he doesn't walk away with the gold. Great to see Goebel do so well tho, hey? That kid can jump! And what a huuuuuge grin. lol.

My guess...Yagudin wins the gold, Goebel or Honda flip out under the pressure and miss some jumps leaving it open for Plushenko to get on the stand somehow probably with a bronze. Also Abt could prove to be the dark horse if any of the guys in the top 3 fumble.

I miss Victor Petrinko.
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I LOVE Yagudin.
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wow, sula, you should be a judge very impressed by your knowledge!

I have to admit, all three Russian skaters are very good and have loads of personality in their skating.....plus they are all so cute

I really, really liked the snowboarders!!!!
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lol jez. Strangely enough that's what one of my friends who is herself a figure skater has told me. But alas, I am only an armchair analyst and besides...what would I do without Scott Hamilton?

kobesan brought these cartoons to my attention...thought you all might find them amusing too.



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I just heard on the nightly news that there will officially be an investigation into the alleged fixing, and that the Canadian Olympic team will ask that a duplicate gold be given to their team. An American referee reported that he heard the French judge was voting for the Russians in exchange for a vote for the French Ice Dance team. It is now a scandal. I'm glad the shit hit the fan. If you just sit there and take it, nothing will ever improve. Someone needs to make a stand! As the Who and Twisted Sister would say, 'we're not gonna take it!'

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I heard the same Stormy. I hope the Cdn. Team DOES ask for a gold..*sigh*

Life was so much easier w/ Kurt Browning.
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So much for so little ... Common people it's over , judges always helped USA and canada , time for others , see no big deal
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So much for so little ... Common people it's over , judges always helped USA and canada , time for others , see no big deal
uh-huh. You obviously have never watched a single figure skating competition in your life.
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I think we've all mourned, but that Canadians need to now redirect their energy. We have a legend on the ice in the form of Catriona LeMay Doan who broke the Olympic record tonight, and quite possibly may break the world record (her own! ) tomorrow. She's won 17 of 18 races in the 500m and holds the 8th fastest times in the 500m ever. She's a wonderful representative of our country, the best ambassador for her sport, and let's all watch our O Canada hopefully to be played tomorrow.

Good luck!

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I heard about the investigation too...and whatever the end result, I just think it's so sad that a great competition with such great skating generally all around--even some of the flawed performances by not so good pairs were great to watch--should end up with all this ugliness. Because I think that mainly it's going to be remembered as a really ugly incident.

The reality of the Olympics always ends up being so far from all those ideals everyone claims to espouse at the opening ceremonies. Even if it's the fault of only a relatively small number of people, it's the truth.



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