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Old 04-08-2004, 03:02 PM   #16
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Yep, the last song on CD1 of LINYC is Born To Run. A great version! I have to say that I think the LINYC is a horrible live album, if only for it's sequencing. It doesn't flow like a (Bruce) concert. The CD-split is done between 2 songs that are entwined (Out In The Streets into Tenth Avenue Streetout) and in between there's this bonus song (Born To Run).
That said, many live renditions are very strong though (My Love Will Not Let You Down, Youngstown (!), 41 Shots) although I don't care for some others (Prove It All Night, Badlands, The River).

The best Bruce live albums are his 1978 bootlegs though (with the one at Winterland being my favourite). Awesome versions of his songs, great covers, amazing energy and more than three hours of pure rock & roll!

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How in the name of God can you not care for the amazing NYC version of Badlands? Itís THE best version ever, even better than the ones form the all mighty Darkness tour. That extra riff with everybody singing in the end and Bruce's anger during the "Get it straight" part is priceless!!! And Bruce and Steve's vocals in the end of Prove It All Night are worth the money and so is Bruce's solo!!!!


I must agree with you on the sequencing part, it's not very good, it seems amateurish at times but the thing is that they had to compress Bruce's long 3 hours show into two cds that hold 80 minutes each, so it can't be easy. I also agree that Youngstown sounds great there with Nills fantastic solo and Bruce's screaming "Helllllll!!!"
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How in the name of God can you not care for the amazing NYC version of Badlands? Itís THE best version ever, even better than the ones form the all mighty Darkness tour. That extra riff with everybody singing in the end and Bruce's anger during the "Get it straight" part is priceless!!!
OK, I admit I haven't listened to this record for a while, so I wrote my critique of Badlands out of memory. But I have to say I did not care for Badlands (and Prove It All Night) during the Reunion Tour. The 1978 version also isn't that interesting IMO. Now, the Rising Tour version, that's a different story. The song came to life for me during that tour. The prolonged ending totally made it for me. You thought the song was finished and there he started it again (like U2 does often with SBS).

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And Bruce and Steve's vocals in the end of Prove It All Night are worth the money and so is Bruce's solo!!!!
That's where you and I have different opinions. I think Prove It All Night sounds tiring nowadays. The vocal exchange, Bruce doing yet another solo, etc. It just doesn't click with me. Sorry. For me, the ultimate version is still the Winterland version (the long intro, Bruce's guitar suddenly coming to life, the distortion when they launch into the body of the song ).

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I must agree with you on the sequencing part, it's not very good, it seems amateurish at times but the thing is that they had to compress Bruce's long 3 hours show into two cds that hold 80 minutes each, so it can't be easy.
It's one thing to compress a 3 hour concert on 2 CD's, but without commenting on the selection of songs, it's the sequencing where they went horribly wrong. It has nothing to do with choosing what to leave out, it's where to put in on the disc.

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I must agree with you on the sequencing part, it's not very good, it seems amateurish at times but the thing is that they had to compress Bruce's long 3 hours show into two cds that hold 80 minutes each, so it can't be easy.
Here's what I came up with in the last five minutes. The songs are the same as on the two discs, only sequenced a bit differently. I think this will make a better listening experience.

Disc 1
1. My Love Will Not Let You Down
2. Prove It All Night
3. Two Hearts
4. Atlantic City
5. Mansion On The Hill
6. The River
7. Youngstown
8. Murder Incorperated
9. American Skin (41 Shots)
10. Born In The USA

Disc 2
11. Badlands
12. Out In The Streets
13. Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out
14. Lost In The Flood
15. Don't Look Back
16. Jungleland
17. Ramrod
18. Born To Run
19. If I Should Fall Behind
20. Land Of Hope And Dreams

Better, isn't it?



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Here's what I came up with in the last five minutes. The songs are the same as on the two discs, only sequenced a bit differently. I think this will make a better listening experience.

Disc 1
1. My Love Will Not Let You Down
2. Prove It All Night
3. Two Hearts
4. Atlantic City
5. Mansion On The Hill
6. The River
7. Youngstown
8. Murder Incorperated
9. American Skin (41 Shots)
10. Born In The USA

Disc 2
11. Badlands
12. Out In The Streets
13. Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out
14. Lost In The Flood
15. Don't Look Back
16. Jungleland
17. Ramrod
18. Born To Run
19. If I Should Fall Behind
20. Land Of Hope And Dreams

Better, isn't it?



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Dude you can't take Badlands away from Murder Inc. You can't go from a song where Bruce hits his guitar against his body some 8-10 times to a song where he asks to complete silence. One of the best moments of that show was the part that would start with Youngstown and end with Tenth Avenue Freeze Out. The Badlands-Murder Inc. was perfect and probably my favorite on the record. Of course as we know they couldnít put it all together so they had to put TAFO on the other disc and have BTR as an "extra" track in between. Maybe what they could have done is have edited Clarence's long (and a little boring IMHO) sax solo before The River and Bruceís harmonica at the end of the song, maybe then there would be space for TAFO because The River is over 11 minutes on LINYC and a lot of it is just Clarence playing away. It's juts too long I think. Or maybe they could just take that song out of there and tried to fit in the second disc where the more calm songs are. I like that idea more.

I think maybe I didn't expressed myself all to well before, when I said sequencing I meant the way that one song ends and the other starts, like I don't think there's much time between Born In the U.S.A. and Don't Look Back, they could have at least added Bruce's counting to DLB just so we know that a more rock n' roll song would start just after Bruce had done an acoustic song by himself without the band. And I think Land Of Hope And Dreams and American Skin belong together specially cause they are the two new songs there and I would like a lot more having LOHAD juts after BTR as it is on the DVD but not on the cd discs. It works really well. Even though ending the show with LOHAD would be awesome (and they have done it like that a lot of times) I like ending the show with If I Should Fall Behind, it's a very gracious way to end this album since this is from the reunion tour it's interesting to see most of the people from the band singing with Bruce as a statement.

Maybe it could have been done this way:

My Love Will Not Let You Down
Prove It All Night
Two Hearts
Atlantic City
Mansion On The Hill
Youngstown
Murder Inc.
Badlands
Out On The Street
Tenth Avenue Freeze Out

Born To Run
Land Of Hope And Dreams
American Skin
Lost In The Flood
Born In The U.S.A.
The River (maybe a 6-7 minutes version)
Donít Look Back
Jungleland
Ramrod
If I Should Fall Behind
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Maybe it could have been done this way:

My Love Will Not Let You Down
Prove It All Night
Two Hearts
Atlantic City
Mansion On The Hill
Youngstown
Murder Inc.
Badlands
Out On The Street
Tenth Avenue Freeze Out

Born To Run
Land Of Hope And Dreams
American Skin
Lost In The Flood
Born In The U.S.A.
The River (maybe a 6-7 minutes version)
Donít Look Back
Jungleland
Ramrod
If I Should Fall Behind
I think were getting there. Yes, OOTS and the Tenth should definately be on the same disc. I think your version of the first disc is quite alright. I do have some issues with the second disc. For one, I'd like to match it an actual Reunion Tour setlist as close as possible. OK, so then The River should actually be right after Mansion On The Hill, but for this one time I might make an exception. Still, I think it should close with Land Of Hope And Dreams, something upbeat. Born To Run also belongs in the encores. Now, the spot after the Tenth was usually some rarer song, so Lost In The Flood might belong there. I think that Born In The U.S.A. may have a nice link with American Skin. Throw in Jungleland to raise the tempo (a bit) and then go with the rest.

My (new) suggestion:
11. Lost In The Flood
12. Born In The U.S.A.
13. American Skin
14. Jungleland
15. The River
16. Don't Look Back
17. Ramrod
18. Born To Run
19. If I Should Fall Behind
20. Land Of Hope And Dreams

Or is the beginning still a bit too slow?

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I think were getting there. Yes, OOTS and the Tenth should definately be on the same disc. I think your version of the first disc is quite alright. I do have some issues with the second disc. For one, I'd like to match it an actual Reunion Tour setlist as close as possible. OK, so then The River should actually be right after Mansion On The Hill, but for this one time I might make an exception. Still, I think it should close with Land Of Hope And Dreams, something upbeat. Born To Run also belongs in the encores. Now, the spot after the Tenth was usually some rarer song, so Lost In The Flood might belong there. I think that Born In The U.S.A. may have a nice link with American Skin. Throw in Jungleland to raise the tempo (a bit) and then go with the rest.

My (new) suggestion:
11. Lost In The Flood
12. Born In The U.S.A.
13. American Skin
14. Jungleland
15. The River
16. Don't Look Back
17. Ramrod
18. Born To Run
19. If I Should Fall Behind
20. Land Of Hope And Dreams

Or is the beginning still a bit too slow?

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Hey, sorry I took so long to answer back....

I like your version of cd 2 but I still like the way I put it before more. The reason why I like BTR after TAFO is cause I remember how impressed I was when I saw all of that on DVD and I remember thinking "Wow, there's no way in hell Bruce can top this now, the show is going to go downhill now. Too badÖ" and then he started the count an they launched into BTR, he kept the vibe going because we still wanted more at the end of TAFO and that was the perfect song because the body and the mind were still asking for more upbeat and loud stuff. So by the time BTR was over I was ready to rest a little and so they started play the beautiful LOHAD. Which I still think was a great follow up for BTR. So there you go. Plus it's a great song to start the second cd.
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