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Old 09-12-2007, 12:02 PM   #346
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^^ Geez, this guy in the video is ALL over the internet now and he's milking it!
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Old 09-12-2007, 12:25 PM   #347
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But "what is" needs to change and I wish that were the discussion (not just here, but in the media). Continuing to say "that's just how it is" and "she should have known better" just reinforces the problem as though "what is" is some immutable law.


it's not that it's an immutable law, it's just dealing with reality as it happens to be right now.

but it does seem as if the backlash is prompting a discussion about these impossible body standards women (and, yes, men) in entertainment are held to. so perhaps that's a good thing.
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Old 09-12-2007, 01:27 PM   #348
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I have to say ... I thought the outfit was unflattering when I watched it, but now when I look at the still pictures, it's not as bad as I remembered.

For what it's worth.

(But still, hot pants would not have been my choice.)
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A friend used to date a dancer in the American Ballet Co. and she became anorexic as a direct result of always being viewed as "the fat one." She was a lovely, petit, graceful, beautiful dancer whose legs tended to bulk up more than others'. She could do everything that everyone else did and sometimes even better, but her legs were perceived as being bigger than everyone else's. It was unbelievable how damaged she became.
Great point. The problem is that too many people still don't understand that damage, have no comprehension how deep and disturbing it is. This whole issue about Britney is one part of that puzzle, and that's why it matters. That kind of damage is not an abstract discussion, not for those who deal with it.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:38 PM   #350
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My 2 cents....at this point, I don't think by tabloid standards that Britney can do anything right. She can't walk right, dress, take care of her children etc. The tabloids aren't going to be happy until they drive her 6ft. under.
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What I don't understand is the whole 'they exploited her....where are britney's helpers/managers/career people' etc

is she not 26/27? Is she not a mother of two. Do we think she is that dumb she didn't realise what would happen when she got up to do a 'come back' performance after yeeeeeeeears in front of a media that gets more and more savage by the moment - they live for this shit, and as much as people are disgusted with them (like me) i STILL read perez, i still flip through magazines - its a learned, continued behaviour, and its not going to change.

Frankly, i don't think britney is fat, and roll my eyes with people going for the jugular - but then well live in a vicious horrendous judgemental society, and some people will always say something negative, for numerous reasons

but that performance was shithouse, and maybe she planned it like that, to gain sympathy again, do the whole oprah couch thing, volunteer with some orphans, adopt one that angie has her eye on, and become BIG again...
who knows?
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:48 AM   #352
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OK Britney has gained weight, she had two children and obviously didn't gain her old form back, but to say she's FAT is just too much, it's mean. Her performance WAS lame and she was embarrassing herself, plus I say she should have worn something else. I'm sure she could have worn a different outfit and looked great with it, but that bikini ... please. Britney was going for it with this outfit, she attracted the looks and the criticism. I don't know who is responsible for this mess, but it was certainly a desaster, and somehow I feel sorry for her.
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She's not fat, but having a less than perfect stomach everyone is going to pick at, she should have covered it up. A bodysuit would have been better.
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I'm assuming this has already been posted, but here goes anyways:

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Say what you will about the outcome, Britney Spears' VMA performance was one of the most-anticipated ones in years. But think how much bigger it would have been had it been billed as Spears taking the stage with former flame Justin Timberlake to perform together. Huge, right? Well, Timbaland — who claims to have nearly collaborated with the singer in the past — says Brit has quashed any chance of a JT collabo taking place anytime soon.

The super-producer told MTV News during VMA weekend that a prospective team-up between the two would be "the best thing that ever happened" and would "help her out a whole lot." But he then dismissed the possibility, saying in so many words that Brit has become big-headed and had dissed him and Justin. "It'll never happen. Nah. It could've, but it won't."

Timbaland previously said he got close to working with the singer, telling Entertainment Weekly in March, "I just want to take her away, go overseas and work [it] out. ... I asked Justin, 'How would you feel about me working with Britney?' ... 'Would you do it with me?' " Timbaland told the magazine that JT was willing to get involved at the time. "She's just gotta be serious."

Now Timbo has even more advice to give her about getting her career back on track. "She needs a story," he said. "She has no comeback story. That's the problem. She has to have a team. She needs to come back with Justin doing records; [then we'd see headlines like,] 'She went back to her ex and she's making smashes.' [But instead she got] so big-headed and [was] like, 'Screw you, screw you, I don't need nobody.' "

So is there any chance for Spears to rectify the situation and possibly work with Timberlake and Timbaland? Yes, says the super-producer — if she apologizes.

"She should humble herself and make a phone call and say, 'I'm sorry.' She knows what she's sorry about," Tim said. "She needs to say, 'I was wrong,' and it'll definitely move forward. ... That's all she has to say."
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She's not fat, but having a less than perfect stomach everyone is going to pick at, she should have covered it up. A bodysuit would have been better.
Everyone is less than perfect. Even the celebs who look perfect - photoshop, anyone?

Since when do we let the media determine what we think is an acceptable shape? Oh yeah, always. I'm just saying I think a lot of people are saying "She's not in bad shape, she's just not in good enough shape to be on tv" because that's what we hear over and over. Do they really believe that themselves? I wonder.. That being said, I don't really care to see anyone in a bra and hot pants on my tv
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I don't have a comment about the whole Justin thing, but I'm just so thankful that Criss Angel wasn't involved in the act like he was supposed to be. He's so skeevy.
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What I don't understand is the whole 'they exploited her....where are britney's helpers/managers/career people' etc

is she not 26/27? Is she not a mother of two. Do we think she is that dumb she didn't realise what would happen when she got up to do a 'come back' performance after yeeeeeeeears in front of a media that gets more and more savage by the moment - they live for this shit, and as much as people are disgusted with them (like me) i STILL read perez, i still flip through magazines - its a learned, continued behaviour, and its not going to change.

I wouldn't use the word dumb. Naive is more like it, and yes, I do think she is that naive. She was put into the spotlight at such a young age when she really couldn't comprehend what it all meant. If you had asked me when I was ten if I wanted to sing, dance, and be famous, I would have been all for it. Ask me today and I would tell you hell no.

My point is, when she was younger, it was probably all fun and games for her. The people (parents, managers, etc) who should have been looking out for her didn't do so and she has no idea how to control her life or her career. The clothes were probably a matter of this worked before, so it will work now.

I'm not using that as an excuse for any of her behaviour, she needs to learn how to take control, something most people are taught growing up. She may be an adult, but she is still young. She is either going to get it together or completely self destruct. People talk about others, laugh at others, point fingers at others. But at some point, enough is enough. It can seriously damage a person. It is sad that being a celebrity means you are discounted as a human.
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Since when do we let the media determine what we think is an acceptable shape?

I don't want the media to do the determining, but most american's have no concept of what 'an acceptable shape' is.
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America's ridiculous obsession (probably the whole world's obsession!) with skinny celebs is beyond me. There's nothing wrong with a little meat on the bones! There's nothing wrong with a slight belly. It's sexy! Other than the WTF strip club attire, Britney looked fine on stage at the VMAs.
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