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Old 05-24-2008, 03:23 AM   #601
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Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, counseling, science, the afterlife...not a bug pinus in sight.
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Old 05-24-2008, 03:25 AM   #603
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I do think you can and have disproved God.
When did this happen? I and millions of others missed the memo.

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However the possibility of an afterlife or at least something more after death is entirely plausible.
Why is one more plausible than the other? Material evidence is preferable.
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As one of the atheists with no afterlife to live for, I am perfectly fine with this life being all I get. I think it's strange that people need the concept of an afterlife either to make life worth living and inspire them to live better OR in some cases I think it's used as a crutch to write off not having a great life - you suffer or fuck up but there's the afterlife to make up for it.

I live for pleasure in the moment. Now this doesn't literally mean, every moment I seek euphoria, but I live to have meaning. I get this from learning, from social interactions and relationships, from seeing and experiencing things (for me, a lot of travel), from reading and writing and watching movies and seeing art and listening to music. And it doesn't bother me that I'll be gone and nonexistent and that everything I was will cease. I'm living to be happy and fulfilled now. Don't get me wrong - I'd like to leave my mark on the world, both in the field I'm interested in (not necessarily going to happen) and through people I meet and have relationships with. And I know it'll be a small mark but that is really enough for me.
This is close to my feelings on the matter. I often find "how do people live without an afterlife?" arguments to be egotistical or self-interested to some extent - and often I think this is latent.

I have no desire to matter. If I can contribute to the collection of human knowledge, that will provide me with personal satisfaction, as I believe it is a worthwhile endeavour. Whether or not I get recognition, I don't care. Once I'm dead, I'm dead. It's of no concern what people think of me or anything. As somebody who used to live in the future, it becomes unsatisfying due to its inherent uncertainty.

I feel so much better now that the weight of an afterlife is off my shoulders. Now I can relax in the here and now. The future will come when it comes.
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elem why arne't you on aim?
Because I'm having a difficult enough time following this thread atm.


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When did this happen? I and millions of others missed the memo.
Because you cling to non-falsifiable claims, tradition, etc.

I say this as somebody who began to study theology because he wanted to confirm his religious beliefs and has come out an atheist.
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Because I'm having a difficult enough time following this thread atm.


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very briefly yes, then i need to leave and FINISH MY MOTHERFUCKING WORK
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I have no desire to matter.
Yeah, we definitely differ here.


But, again, more power to you. I hope I'm not coming off as egotistical (if not presumptuous) right now...wasn't my intention.
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When did this happen? I and millions of others missed the memo.



Why is one more plausible than the other? Material evidence is preferable.
There is simply no proof of intelligent design. That seals it really.

An afterlife and a god should be seen as two seperate things. An afterlife could be a new level of consciousness or a state of pure energy. The possibilities are endless.
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Oh we are NOT having a theological debate too!
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Yeah, we definitely differ here.


But, again, more power to you. I hope I'm not coming off as egotistical (if not presumptuous) right now...wasn't my intention.
I used to want to matter. I wanted to be a famous author, mostly. And it'd still be nice. But I know that it's not going to happen (or is wildly improbable at the very least!), and I'll be honest and say certain individuals including my ex-girlfriend wore me down mentally. I've come out of it comfortable and content simply with who I am. Any "mattering" would be purely a bonus, and I don't seek it. I just want to live my life in ways that bring me satisfaction and are beneficial to the world that allows me to achieve that satisfaction.

And when I die, at least that's one less person wasting finite resources!
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An afterlife and a god should be seen as two seperate things. An afterlife could be a new level of consciousness or a state of pure energy. The possibilities are endless.
Basically all conceptualisations of the afterlife with which I am familiar rely in some way on the presence of a deity. How does the afterlife exist and function in the absence of a deity?
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