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Old 09-21-2005, 08:02 PM   #46
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at the hight of their career...although they may not have been a band...the spice girls

1), and you all had your favourite!
Baby Spice.
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Guns n Roses were hands down more well known in the early 90s than U2.

I didn't say they were better.
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Guns n Roses were hands down more well known in the early 90s than U2.

I didn't say they were better.
No I know. This thread never was intended to be about who ws better. Anways I thought you said not to ever say Guns N' Roses and The Beatles in the same sentence ever again. that's why i responded with the Boo Hoo
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GUNS N ROSES they will rock your face off lol
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GUNS N ROSES they will rock your face off lol
I was waiting for you to speak up. What the hell took you so long?
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Anways I thought you said not to ever say Guns N' Roses and The Beatles in the same sentence ever again. that's why i responded with the Boo Hoo
That wasn't me, buddy.


LMAO at shaun vox's late response!
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That wasn't me, buddy.
No it wasn't you I guess. I didn't noticed your lauging smilie at first. Were you laughin at my response to headache in a suitcase? Anyways. Whatever. Now I'm confused
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First off, I think if you are just talking mass popularity then just pull out a fucking record sales chart and concert box scores and the discussion is over. That will tell you precisely what you need to know.

If you want to go deeper, then I will.

Who has influenced more bands, big selling artists and revolutionized the rock genre since 1993?

I am talking relevance.
Pearl Jam-hard rock
Nirvana-just about all rock
Green Day-punk pop
U2-alt rock
Nine Inch Nails-industrial metal
RHCP/Faith No More-rap-rock
Metallica-heavy metal
Sepultura/Pantera-thrash and speed metal

I could keep going and list a ton of bands and artists before I ever got to Guns and Roses. They are basically irrelevant and have been for a decade. Part of it is entirely because they have been defunct, but can you same the same about Nirvana? They have been done since 1994 one year later than GnR and yet still leave an imprint much deeper and more obvious than GnR ever did.

Now this doesn't diminsh their popularity from 1991-1993 or whatever arbitrary years you want to choose, but in the grand scheme of biggest bands, their lasting imprint on the musical community speaks 10,000 times more loudly than a spike in record and ticket sales which puts them in a league of comparison with New Kids, Spice Girls, The Bee Gees, Abba and any other flavor of the week which sold an insane amount of copies over a short period of time.

The heighth of their popularity you still have U2, Metallica and others to deal with. In fact you have to make the argument FOR them. NOt a single person has to make an argument for The Beatles popularity or Led Zeppelin, because it has endured.
Frivalous pop masses can make anyone huge at any time, to endure and leave a huge imprint on the rock and roll communtiy truly speaks to how massive the influence was and how it revolutionized the sound of rock and roll.

the biggest bands of the early 90's were those who influenced the rock and roll you hear today. That's how it works. The Monkees were insanely popular in the 60's, why aren't they on the lists of biggest bands? Nobody gives a shit.

If we talk sales, I'll quote you Billy Ray Cyrus and MC Hammer from that time period and show you how frivalous album sales are to determining the size of a musicians stylistic appeal and the size of their enduring appeal. To put it another way, the 10 million people buying NIrvana's Nevermind (whatever the number is) and the 10 million buying anything else are not equatable to influence. The influence speaks to the overall massive appeal. It endures.

I'm not saying GnR doesn't still have appeal and that they didn't make records that still aren't good. I am saying if we use sales figures to determine the weight of the massive appeal of GNR in 1991, 1992 then you must take into consideration all others because you have ceased talking in terms of rock and roll and are talking a commercial appeal which is not an endorsement of anything other than how trendy it was at the time.

I still hear Nirvana on the radio, U2 on the radio, Green Day others, several others vicariously thru the bands that were so moved by their music a decade ago they picked up guitars and started writing. Where is GnR? Besides the latest incarnation of Velvet Revolver, they are irrelevant. Maybe a resurge of hard rock with high pitched squealing vocals and guitar will see a rebirth, until then it is what it is.
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and I must mention I saw GnR and Metallica in 1992, I was 17.
In my corner of the world, Metallica was the SHIT and GnR was second fiddle.

In 1987 I was in junior high in Middle America.
Guns and Roses were bigger than U2 here.
Could I make the argument because of my corner of the world, that GnR was bigger? I could but it would be rather geographically biased. Doesn't really mean anything.
They still play more GnR than U2 on the radio here. again, it doesn't speak to anything but what the people around here want to hear.


There were numerous, numerous recording artists outselling Jimi and Janis JOplin, The Doors< pink Floyd etc in the late 60's. They were "bigger" in terms of what was popular at the time. I think the infleunce is a much more important part of the eqaution, from my persepctive.
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The Beatles. The were bigger than Jesus, durrrr...
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If you're alluding to an article that appeared in Q magazine last year (coincidentally the one with U2 on the cover promoting HTDAAB),
The world's just full of coincidences isn't it?
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Led Zeppelin 1972
Beatles 1965
GnR 1991

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Pink Floyd 1974
Beatles 1965
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I loath to bring them up, but may we consider the period of 1998 to 2001.

Exhibit A)

Backstreet Boys.

Over 90 million album sales worldwide, 34 million of those in the US - from just 3 albums. Starting with their first US release (Backstreet Boys) to the 1999 megasmash (Millennium) thru to the 2001 hit (Black And Blue) they dominated the albums and singles charts. Two back to back million plus debut weeks, sold out stadium tours in Europe and Asia, huge runs at arenas in the USA... madness.

Exhibit B)

N'Sync

60 million+ global sales - including 'No Strings Attached' which debited with 2.3 million sales in a week. Now no band has been hotter than N'Sync when all the pieces fall into place...

So if you want to talk about bands who were just plain jawdroppingly globally dominant (for good or bad), how d'ya like those apples?
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