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Old 07-12-2008, 02:48 AM   #541
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I hated So Cruel the first time I heard it. I thought it was slow and boring and too long. Then I got into it and I really like it. It's simple but nice. Reminds me of relationships I've been in. That song could totally be about me.
Just because I can relate to some of the lyrics doesn't stop it from being a boring, plodding, over-wrought song that goes nowhere.

OH FUCK YES, THE FLY.

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Old 07-12-2008, 02:48 AM   #542
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since we're discussing U2 songs, i'll throw this unpopular opinion out: i don't like stay.
I like the song, but I dont' think it's the be all end all of U2 music
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When Bono changed the lyrics at the end of TFT in Chicago (I didn't throw away the key) I was curious if maybe that meant something.

These days I think he just forgot the lyrics
I don't know, it probably was a purposeful change.

Maybe it was the whole "writing as someone else" idea that freed him to be the more adventurous and creative songwriter that I've always thought of him to be. Even songs that aren't that exciting musically (Ultra Violet, So Cruel, Love Is Blindness) are anchored by what I consider extremely powerful verse, you know?

"Love Is Blindness" is flat-out awesome live, but like I said before, I find the album cut lacking.

"The Fly" could be my favorite U2 song. It used to be my clear favorite for a long time, before I got pretty deep into their '80s material. Now I'd say it's a toss-up between "The Fly", "Streets", "Homecoming", "Bad", and "Please".
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That's like one of my favorite boots if it's the one I'm talking about

"When I was all fucked up" ~ Ultraviolet
Oh fuck, you just reminded me Ultra Violet's still to come.

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When Bono changed the lyrics at the end of TFT in Chicago (I didn't throw away the key) I was curious if maybe that meant something.

These days I think he just forgot the lyrics
This is why you need to read U2 at the End of the World. There's a thing when they were recording the song, where originally the lyric was going to be about the son accepting the father's salvation or whatever, but at the last minute, presumably due to Bono's own difficulties with his father, he couldn't bring himself to sing it the way he'd written it, and changed it.

It makes sense that he'd change it in the wake of his father's death.
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Controversial opinion: the definitive version of The Fly is the Vertigo Tour version.
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1. Zoo Station - Cool intro/10
2. Even Better Than The Real Thing - Better live/10
3. One - Cliche-ridden pus/10
4. Until The End Of The World - Outro makes Chris Martin cry/10
5. Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses - Big dumb pop song about horses; where's Cori when we need her?/10
6. So Cruel - Just give me some roses and a box of chocolates and shut up/10

The Fly is a goooooooooood song.
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That's cool, Khan. "Stay" is in my Top 10 though. The video for it is perfect, too.

I'd sound like Screwy if I went into my love for this song, so I will stop.
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I don't know, it probably was a purposeful change.

Maybe it was the whole "writing as someone else" idea that freed him to be the more adventurous and creative songwriter that I've always thought of him to be. Even songs that aren't that exciting musically (Ultra Violet, So Cruel, Love Is Blindness) are anchored by what I consider extremely powerful verse, you know?

"Love Is Blindness" is flat-out awesome live, but like I said before, I find the album cut lacking.

"The Fly" could be my favorite U2 song. It used to be my clear favorite for a long time, before I got pretty deep into their '80s material. Now I'd say it's a toss-up between "The Fly", "Streets", "Homecoming", "Bad", and "Please".
I may not like all of the music on Achtung and Zooropa, (and to a lesser extent Pop) but I have to agree there is some stuff lyrically remarkable on those albums that just does not exist at the present.

I can sit here and hope that will change all I want, but if Bono's going to continue to prattle on about Africa, and Love, I don't see that happening.
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Controversial opinion: the definitive version of The Fly is the Vertigo Tour version.
How so?
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Controversial opinion: the definitive version of The Fly is the Vertigo Tour version.
I could see that. It rocks harder than the ZooTV version, that's for sure.

The version from Elevation Boston still wows the fuck out of me. It's so different that it kicks ass, you know?
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BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP


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IT'S NO SECRET THAT THE STARS ARE FALLING FROM THE SKY
THE UNIVERSE EXPLODING 'CAUSE OF ONE MAN'S FUCKIN' LIE!
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The version from Elevation Boston still wows the fuck out of me. It's so different that it kicks ass, you know?
Plus he bit some girl's wrist. That's fucking hot
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The version from Elevation Boston still wows the fuck out of me. It's so different that it kicks ass, you know?
It's the definitive version for me.

Would be even better had they kept it in the original key.
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