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Old 08-22-2005, 03:06 AM   #16
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Test Career Highest Batting Average:

An Aussie. Yes Sir Donald Bradman with 99.4

Any Kiwis? Nope not a one in the first 36. Australian's on the other hand have 8 in total


Lets go and see how we go with the bowling shall we?
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Well, well, well and who is top?

An Aussie! With 600 test wickets its Shane Warne

Dick Dastardly Hadlee is the only Kiwi to make on the list at 7th.

Oh, the might of the Kiwi's.

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I maintain that despite his 600 wickets, Shane Warne is completely over-rated.

Muttiah Muralitharan is far better in my opinion.
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Well, well, well and who is top?

An Aussie! With 600 test wickets its Shane Warne

Dick Dastardly Hadlee is the only Kiwi to make on the list at 7th.

Oh, the might of the Kiwi's.

Where's Lillee? Lillee is the greatest, not Warne!

LI-LLEE, LI-LLEE.........
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D.K. came in at number 15 with 70 matches, 18 467 balls, 8 493 runs, 355 wickets, Average 23.92, economy 2.75, best bowling 7-83, 5 wicket hauls 23 and 10 wickets hauls - 7.


I would have to agree that Murali is a better bowler than Warnie but Warnie brought spin back to the forefront of the game when everyone tried to have an all out pace attack.
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Now we move on to ODI and guess what?

An Australian tops the Highest Batting Average:

Michael Bevan with 53.88.

G. Turner from NZ comes in 4th but that's all folks! Not another Kiwi in sight. Meanwhile 7 Australian's have made the list.
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Axver, Timothious, I'm lovin' this thread.

What a great idea you guys had!

Back shortly with some more statistics for your reading pleasure
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Oh, here's one you might be interested in:

Most Ducks in Career - Adam Parore, from (guess, guess go on guess... Oh, alright then a Kiwi) came in 5th with 19.

Interestingly enough old Wasim Akram heads up this one with 28.
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ODI Bowling - Best Bowling on Debut:

2nd - Australia (Anthony Dodimaide 5/21)

aaaannnnnndddd waaaaaayyyy down at No 18 the only bowler to make it for NZ Hadlee with 4/34.
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ODI - Most Expensive Bowler

Let's see. Who do we think the prize should go to

Yep, you guessed it the Kiwi's.

M.Snedden's effort of 12 overs, 1 Maiden, 105 runs and 2 wickets against England at the Oval in 1983 has not been surpassed since.

Oh, I could go on
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Biased. :rolleeys:



I cricket stats by the by.

Most of those stats are completely irrelevant. Even "Most Wickets" is pretty dubious due to the amount of cricket nowadays. Looking at the players who have taken 400+ wickets Hadlee's stats dwarf all. Average, Economy, Strike Rate, Games Played he owns.

As for the rest of your stats most are pretty dubious... Most Expensive Bowling Performance is nearly as obscure as Adam Parore heading the list for "Highest Score Without A Boundary" with 96 against India. Does he get an apple for that?

There is a good case for the bowling performances of both Warne & Murali should be absconded from the record too.
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There is a good case for the bowling performances of both Warne & Murali should be absconded from the record too.
I know about the case against Muralitharan (and disagree), but what case can be made against Warne besides the fact his behaviour off the field has brought the game into disrepute?

And I too the stats.
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While I do not agree with what Shane Warne has done (he's a bloody idiot), and I don't know how his wife has put up with it for this long, it really is irrelevant to his cricketing abilities.

I would be interested to hear why you think he shouldn't be included.

Oh, and Murali, I disagree. While his action may be somewhat different it has been shown a number of times that it is acceptable and within the rules of cricket.
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Most of those stats are completely irrelevant. Even "Most Wickets" is pretty dubious due to the amount of cricket nowadays. Looking at the players who have taken 400+ wickets Hadlee's stats dwarf all. Average, Economy, Strike Rate, Games Played he owns.

Well, lets take a look at this one:

G McGrath well known bowler for Australia vs R Hadlee, New Zealands best bowler (which I think he was. One of the few who truly had the killer instinct on the field. Something I think even the current English cricket team don't quite have yet).

G McGrath:

Matches - 111
Balls - 25 995
Runs - 10 875
Wickets - 513
Av - 21.19
Economy - 2.51
Best 8 -24 (8 for 24 is pretty bloody good bowling as far as I am concerned).
5W - 28
10W - 3

R Hadlee:

Matches - 86
Balls - 21 918 (so while 25 less matches, there is not much difference in the number of balls bowled)
Runs - 9 611 (again not much of a difference considering the difference in the number of matches played).
Wickets - 431
Av - 22.29
Economy - 2.63
Best - 9-52 (not bad but a lot more runs for one more wicket)
5W - 36 (impressive)
10W - 9 (also impressive)

I always wondered if Hadlee would have had the same sort of results had NZ had another bowler or two of a higher calibre.
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Well, lets take a look at this one:

G McGrath well known bowler for Australia vs R Hadlee, New Zealands best bowler (which I think he was. One of the few who truly had the killer instinct on the field. Something I think even the current English cricket team don't quite have yet).

G McGrath:

Matches - 111
Balls - 25 995
Runs - 10 875
Wickets - 513
Av - 21.19
Economy - 2.51
Best 8 -24 (8 for 24 is pretty bloody good bowling as far as I am concerned).
5W - 28
10W - 3

R Hadlee:

Matches - 86
Balls - 21 918 (so while 25 less matches, there is not much difference in the number of balls bowled)
Runs - 9 611 (again not much of a difference considering the difference in the number of matches played).
Wickets - 431
Av - 22.29
Economy - 2.63
Best - 9-52 (not bad but a lot more runs for one more wicket)
5W - 36 (impressive)
10W - 9 (also impressive)

I always wondered if Hadlee would have had the same sort of results had NZ had another bowler or two of a higher calibre.
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McGrath bowled in an era with two distinct "bunny" teams Zimbabwe & Bangladesh.

While the overs are similar (666.666 overs difference funnily enough) McGrath has had acess to at least 25 more new balls if not 45-50 more... which is a significant advantage.

Furthermore comparing Hadlee's 9fer against Australia away and McGraths bowling against a second string Pakistain on a dangerous WACA pitch is not exactly a fair comparison. I think you will be hardpressed to find anyone who will agree that McGraths bowling surpassed Hadlee's.

Hadlee was a considerabley better batsmen.

Hadlee was a considerabley better feildsmen.

Hadlee did have good bowling team mates John Bracewell etc.
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