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Old 06-09-2002, 11:49 AM   #1
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Here is an article i read on soccernet.com:


Argentina spat, swore and hurled insults

Bitter Argentina players spat, swore and swapped insults instead of shirts after their defeat by England in Japan's Sapporo Dome on Friday.
And they singled out FIFA man-of-the-match Paul Scholes as a particular target for abuse. An FA source said: 'There was a lot of spitting going on out there but our players maintained their dignity and refused to get involved.'

Manchester United midfielder Scholes reacted sharply when two of the South Americans were heard to mutter 'bastardo' as they walked behind him while he was being interviewed in the mixed zone after the match, which England won 1-0 with a penalty by captain David Beckham.

Scholes responded with an icy stare as the pair walked towards their team coach, but refused to talk about the matter later. The FA source also confirmed that the Argentinians refused to exchange shirts with the England players after the game, as is the tradition.

'They weren't in the best of moods. They took defeat badly,' he said.

It is not the first time the usual shirt-swapping has not taken place after an England-Argentina match. When England won a tetchy quarter-final 1-0 at Wembley in 1966, manager Alf Ramsey physically prevented his players from following the convention and went on to condemn the Argentinians as 'animals'.

Despite some strong challenges there seemed nothing in Friday's game to justify a breach of the normal post-match etiquette.

But Argentinian sources insisted that ever since captain Daniel Passarella stopped his players swapping shirts after a 3-1 defeat by Brazil in the 1982 World Cup, their players had never followed the usual practice when beaten by their fiercest rivals.

The match against England was given exactly that 'derby' status, and in this context their refusal could almost be interpreted as a compliment. The Argentinians' foul temper lingered long into the night after defeat in this grudge match.

They boarded their coach quickly after the match and, after an unscheduled encounter with England's Trevor Sinclair, who mistakenly hopped aboard the wrong bus, were driven back to the Sheraton Hotel in Sapporo.

Once there, they snubbed a banquet arranged in their honour and retreated to the sanctuary of their two floors in the building.
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I have also read this in the paper yesterday, which i have just found. This particularly annoyed me about the Argentine attitude:

Beckham, accused of losing England the World Cup through his lack of responsibility four years ago, now simply canít get enough of the stuff. Naturally, he decided to take e penalty himself. The greatest things are always achieved by people who are prepared to risk looking a bloody fool.

And with the appropriateness now so thick you could almost choke on it, up came Simeone to try and put him off. Beckham said afterwards that he didnít hear the actual words: ďHe tried to blank me, tried to shake me up. Then the goalkeeper had a go, telling me where to put the penalty. So I put it the other way.Ē
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Argentina are bad losers.

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Yeah,the people attending the gaem on wednesday should bring umbrellas!
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Now, the English players are saints, poor fellas.


Oh read this:


Irish goalkeeper criticizes England for snubbing fans in opening match

June 9, 2002


CHIBA, Japan (AP) -- Backup Ireland goalkeeper Dean Kiely accused the England squad of being aloof, criticizing them for making a ``hollow apology'' after failing to acknowledge fans who had traveled to Saitama to watch England's 1-1 draw against Sweden last week.

``I think the apologies made by England after the Sweden match were quite hollow,'' Kiely said Sunday. ``It's quite easy to run in front of the fans when everybody is cheering you and things are going well. You do that on auto-pilot but the test is when things are going the other way.

``They obviously forgot, but we are never going to do that because it's just not in our make-up,'' he said. ``You look at the Premiership stars in the England side and they seem to be in their ivory tower or detached from everything.''

Last Wednesday, England captain David Beckham issued a public apology for not acknowledging the 7,000 or so English fans who turned out for the June 2 match.

After both of their 1-1 draws, the Irish players remained on the field for some time, waving to their supporters in the stands. Ireland players have also mingled with fans around their hotel and training ground in Chiba, east of Tokyo.

``The one thing we have is that we are very close to the supporters,'' Kiely said. ``There are a lot of them around Chiba and we want to make them feel part of it. We've made ourselves approachable and nobody has been turned down for an autograph.''
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Now, the English players are saints, poor fellas.
they better be saints, that at least would explain the amount of praise they are getting
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I've just about had enough of these Dutch-Mexican led jibes. This response will be edited in good time.
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I've just about had enough of these Dutch-Mexican led jibes. This response will be edited in good time.

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Argentina are bad losers.
But the English are bad winners AND bad losers.
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CLOUD - england outplayed argentina for 70-75 minutes..what else do you want. Owen was unlucky to hit the bar..England should have won 2-0 or 3-0
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hi desert sky!

the atmosphere of the match before/during/ and afterward is the same as it has always been when these 2 teams play.

the crowds are hostile on both sides and those same negative feelings ebb down to the players on the field. 4 yrs ago the british fans snubbed and hollered during the argentine natl anthem, a move that showed no class. as expected the argentine fans hollered back, its this kind of animosity that is always present when i have seen these 2 countries play. so we should not be shocked or appalled by some spiting or swearing.

there are no saints on either side. i am still hoping that argentina pull it together for the next match. sweden is a tough opponent as they have clearly shown so far.

btw...i am so glad the US is doing well! USA!USA!USA!
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CLOUD - england outplayed argentina for 70-75 minutes..what else do you want. Owen was unlucky to hit the bar..England should have won 2-0 or 3-0
I dont see any relevance to my post frankly, I never denied any of that. England simply outplaed Argentina because Argentina played badly, thats all.

As to that article, I wonder what makes that different from most other football matches exactly?
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I would just like to point out that i didn't post the above article on the basis that England are saints, because i know we are not, but i don't believe we are as bad as people make us out to be! I merely was interested with the article as i have heard a lot about the unsportmanship of Argentina. There is also the fact of after the World Cup '98 game, the Argentinians apparently jeered the England team from their bus after the game, in front of their families, which i feel is out of order, but then again i am not saying we have never done that as i have no evidence! I just don't like the apparent attitude of the Argentina team!

Hey Sparkys girl! Hows u? yeah i am used to England jeering the national anthems, i particulaly remember during Euro '96 when we booed the national anthems of the opposing teams when we played them. i kinda feel this is out of order but wat can u do? I just want to say that not every English fan is like that, and that its a small minority!
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OK ignore this i tried to post a photo but was too big!
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Old 06-12-2002, 01:03 PM   #15
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Argentina are bad losers.

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Give us a bloody break for feck's sake!!!!!!!

It's just a football match!
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