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Old 09-10-2004, 11:55 AM   #16
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overall... the pats were not very impressive,
Here it begins again...last year as Nov and Dec rolled around and the Pats win streak grew, I repeatedly heard how they were "not so impressive", 'lucky", "just barely winning" etc. With the exception of stomping Beefalo 31-0 in a synergistic rematch, the Pats didn't blow out too many opponents last year, yet won 15 straight and the Super Bowl...oh yeah but they only won the Super Bowl by 3 points, not that impressive.
When they lose, then we'll talk about their shortcomings, but when they beat a team that many pundits have declared a SuperBowl favorite, its the end result that matters, not the means.
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They sure weren't that impressive last night, really. The Colts moved almost at will on them and would have beaten them by 2 or 3 touchdowns if not for their own ineptitude, 3 red zone turnovers including a fumble at the goal line. This is the curse of the Colts Vs. Pats. It's weird. But I do not believe the Pats are a better team.
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and if I had a dollar for every time John Madden ranted on about how Brady was always calm in the pocket, doesn't see the pressure, everyone else gets rattled but not him, over and over and over, I swear I'd be able to follow the band around the world next year. If he can't think of anything to say for more interesting commentary I'd rather see him hang it up.
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actually, I think Madden is right on about Brady. He doesn't seem to get happy feet or anything sitting there in the pocket.

Put him behind, say, the offensive line of the Bears or Jets...and it may be a different story.

I enjoyed the game last night. Bummed to see E. James drop a few, but overall enjoyed the game.
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Here it begins again...last year as Nov and Dec rolled around and the Pats win streak grew, I repeatedly heard how they were "not so impressive", 'lucky", "just barely winning" etc. With the exception of stomping Beefalo 31-0 in a synergistic rematch, the Pats didn't blow out too many opponents last year, yet won 15 straight and the Super Bowl...oh yeah but they only won the Super Bowl by 3 points, not that impressive.
When they lose, then we'll talk about their shortcomings, but when they beat a team that many pundits have declared a SuperBowl favorite, its the end result that matters, not the means.
lets calm down there slugger... even a pats fan like yourself can't say they were overly impressive. i love tom brady... would love for him to be my quarterback. he rarely makes mistakes, doesn't do the spectacular but does the routine better than anyone else. he doesn't get rattled by the pressure, and there's no other guy i'd want with the ball in his hands down 6 with 2 minutes to go.

corey dillon was very impressive last night.

their defense on paper is also very impressive, and i do expect them to go 11-5 or 12-4 this year, and likely compete for a spot in the super bowl once again. but last night they looked far from super bowl quality. if that was a super bowl caliber performance last night by the pats, then i don't ever wanna hear another ill word towards peyton manning or the colts... because if the pats were super bowl caliber last night, then the colts sure as hell were also.

that being said, if i had to pick three teams with the best chance of winning it all, you're damn right new england would be amongst those three, despite the fact that they didn't exactly play like world beaters last night.


and while we're on the subject of things we're tired of... i'm a little tired of everyone knocking eli manning and calling him "over-rated." how about we let him play, ummm i dunno, maybe 1 NFL snap before we start making that evaluation. if he's a bust, he's a bust. but shit let him play a few games first.
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actually, I think Madden is right on about Brady. He doesn't seem to get happy feet or anything sitting there in the pocket.

Put him behind, say, the offensive line of the Bears or Jets...and it may be a different story.

I enjoyed the game last night. Bummed to see E. James drop a few, but overall enjoyed the game.
i agree with zoney... not often i can say those words, so cherish the moment while you can.
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I didn't say it wasn't accurate, I only said he needn't say it 27 times in one night, and if he can't think of anything different to say, his days as a commentator should be winding down. But then again Brady is such a bland and boring subject compared to most NFL stars, I guess a person would run out of ideas.

I'd LOVE to play the pickem and predictions NFL game, but I do not feel like dealing with the stress and aggravation that comes from my posts being shadowed and picked at by a certain poster. It would be fun though!
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i agree with zoney... not often i can say those words, so cherish the moment while you can.
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turnovers are a major part of the game, and good teams are able to force them.

the run d must be improved, but it got better after that drive where the colts had 9 plays all runs for a TD i believe. for once i think madden's analysys was right on when he was pointing on why the colts were running at will- starting with traylor being pushed out of position entirely. later on he was able to make a few good plays, so hopefully he can do that every time.

and brady's better than manning
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and yes, the pats d is supposed to be great, but lets not forget they played one of the top offenses in the league last night.

even with ty law hurting, they really shut down harrison. for whatever reason, stokely was the one to put a hurt on em.
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i don't forget that... just hart to see how such a vaunted defense can get run over by someone who's just so over-rated
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turnovers are a major part of the game, and good teams are able to force them.

I have always felt that a REALLY great team was able to win without relying on the 'gimmes'- gimme touchdowns (like a 10 yrd. int. or fumble return) and gimme field position, or just the lucky breaks that the other team drops the ball when they are ready to score. Growing up we always called those kinds of teams 'scab offs'. The REAL good teams are able to blow people away on their own and the score is so lopsided that even if a turnover or 2 did occur it wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome of the game. Examples are some of the 80's Redskin and 49er teams. Ironcially enough, the Redskins lost a Super Bowl because they gave up 'gimmes' to the Raiders, after having blown people out with sheer power by 20 points or more a game all year. I also believe most turnovers, by anyone, are not so much 'caused' and just happened because of someone's momentary lack of concentration or ineptitude.

I'm a proud Patriot, Cowboy and Raider hater from my early days (I remember Steve Grogan and Ken Stabler.) There is now a rule in place caused by Stabler. He used to 'fumble' in purpose, then a teammate would know where to be to scoop it up and advance it. That's why now only the player who fumbled the ball can advance it in the last 2 minutes of the game Oooh an the stickem too. That was dirty. Okay rant over.
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and while we're on the subject of things we're tired of... i'm a little tired of everyone knocking eli manning and calling him "over-rated." how about we let him play, ummm i dunno, maybe 1 NFL snap before we start making that evaluation. if he's a bust, he's a bust. but shit let him play a few games first.
Well you're the one with the man-crush.
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Well you're the one with the man-crush.
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ahhh the season really gets underway today... and any season where your team could go anywhere from 4-12 to 12-4 and ya wouldn't really be that shocked either way is certain to be an interesting one
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