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Old 10-22-2007, 07:04 PM   #31
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I will agree with you on the final scence of Platoon. SPR is not a cheese fest. Are you saying it's to pro-american or to much pro-War?

It's not necessarily pro-War or pro-American. Obviously, WWII itself was "necessary" (though the U.S. only got involved when they were attacked in Hawaii, even though they were aware of what was happening to Jews in Germany and Poland for years), and America was on the right side, but the film is written on a very simplistic level. The characters, aside from Hanks, are far from three-dimensional, and there's a whole lot of cliche going on in the film.

What's cheesy are the bookends, and the way the old man cries as he asks his wife if he was a good man is just nauseating. It was clearly designed to make every veteran (and every veteran's family) cry in the theatre, and I just think it's cheap. Plus you have the flag waving at the end and it's just so phoney and over the top.

The Thin Red Line, on the other hand, doesn't talk at all about heroes, earning the sacrifice of others, or any of that bullshit. It attempts to get in the heads of the soldiers and find that soul that connects all of them, even while the experience itself shuts them off from others (something that continues when the war is over) and how that soul is tainted as war takes its toll on the individual men and the environment around them. It's a much more universal and sophisticated message than what Spielberg is peddling. It's also a lot more cynical about why the wars are really fought and the fucked up things people do during them. And I might add that the novel TTRL was based on was written by a guy (James Jones) who fought himself at Guadalcanal (and also wrote From Here to Eternity). This is his inscription at the front of the novel:

"This book is cheerfully dedicated to those greatest and most heroic of all human endeavors, WAR and WARFARE; may they never cease to give us the pleasure, excitement and adrenal stimulation that we need, or provide us with the heroes, the presidents and the leaders, the monuments and museums which we erect to them in the name of PEACE."

I didn't find that bitter, ironic sentiment ANYWHERE in Saving Private Ryan, and that's what prevents it from really representing the full scope of war. Perhaps it wasn't trying to, but I feel the films that give a more realistic and comprehensive portrayal deserve more credit. I think what SPR does represent is exactly the target that Jones is aiming his words at.
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The Kangaroo court scene in 'M'. A real life changer.
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The Kangaroo court scene in 'M'. A real life changer.

Why, did it make you have second thoughts about abducting and killing children?

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Hmmmmm. I did like the shooting scene in Bonnie and Clyde.

I have way too many but that one comes to mind.
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the ending to Cinema Paradiso...you have to see the rest of the movie to understand it...

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The best (badass) scene in movie history is from The Godfather. The scene where they are trying to figure out how to hit Sollozzo after his attempt to kill Don.

If memory serves me right, the scene is shot from a stationary camera with Michael in center screen. Sonny is going nuts on the edge of the shot and keeps disappearing from sight, but Michael just sits there owning that chair until he finally speaks up, "I'll do it." and the room starts to go quite.

Bad assery. Does anyone have a clip of that?
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I can't seem to find a clip of it, but seeing as so many of my favourite scenes have already been named, thought I'd go left field for a short couple of lines that I actually have on my iPod and never fail to cause great embarrassment to myself when they pop up on shuffle while I'm on public transport, and I burst out laughing out loud.... from the Long Kiss Goodnight. It's the delivery that makes it brilliant.


"Alice, please. Your dog, Alice. It and my appetite are mutually exclusive"

"Well what's wrong with the dog?"

"It's simple. He's been licking his asshole for the last three straight hours. I submit to you there is nothing there worth more than an hour's attention. And I should think that whatever he is attempting to dislodge is either gone for good, or there to stay."
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Thank You for pointing that out. TRL is also a very good war film.

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It's not necessarily pro-War or pro-American. Obviously, WWII itself was "necessary" (though the U.S. only got involved when they were attacked in Hawaii, even though they were aware of what was happening to Jews in Germany and Poland for years), and America was on the right side, but the film is written on a very simplistic level. The characters, aside from Hanks, are far from three-dimensional, and there's a whole lot of cliche going on in the film.

What's cheesy are the bookends, and the way the old man cries as he asks his wife if he was a good man is just nauseating. It was clearly designed to make every veteran (and every veteran's family) cry in the theatre, and I just think it's cheap. Plus you have the flag waving at the end and it's just so phoney and over the top.

The Thin Red Line, on the other hand, doesn't talk at all about heroes, earning the sacrifice of others, or any of that bullshit. It attempts to get in the heads of the soldiers and find that soul that connects all of them, even while the experience itself shuts them off from others (something that continues when the war is over) and how that soul is tainted as war takes its toll on the individual men and the environment around them. It's a much more universal and sophisticated message than what Spielberg is peddling. It's also a lot more cynical about why the wars are really fought and the fucked up things people do during them. And I might add that the novel TTRL was based on was written by a guy (James Jones) who fought himself at Guadalcanal (and also wrote From Here to Eternity). This is his inscription at the front of the novel:

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I didn't find that bitter, ironic sentiment ANYWHERE in Saving Private Ryan, and that's what prevents it from really representing the full scope of war. Perhaps it wasn't trying to, but I feel the films that give a more realistic and comprehensive portrayal deserve more credit. I think what SPR does represent is exactly the target that Jones is aiming his words at.
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I could think of tons of all time faves, but the one that always comes to mind if I think of these things is Slim Pickens riding the bomb like like a bucking bronco, waving his cowboy hat. No words, just the rush of air and a few "yee-haws"!

Not to mention a few dozen others from the same movie.

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When Roger Moore (James Bond 007) comes flying down a staircase banister shooting at the enemies. Low-n-behold, there's a ball-shaped decoration at the bottom of the banister that he's about to crash into with his groin area.

He shoots the decoration off the staircase, with his machine gun, just in the nick-of-time.


The movie was Octopussy.
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Gentlemen! There's no fighting in the War Room

Fluoride, Mandrake. In childen's ice cream.

Well, Dmitri. One of our generals went a little funny in the head.

Dr., you mentioned a ratio of ten women to each male...... wouldn't that signal the end of the so-called 'monogamous relationship'?

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The end of Dead Poet's Society. Oh Captain My Captain... And how the music builds... and and and.... I cry every time (like now :sniffle: )



Also from Godfather part II, that scene in the end where Al Pacino lost everything, and is sitting alone in a room, and they kill his brother on the lake.
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