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Old 10-27-2005, 02:03 PM   #1
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Big Grin A U2 Discussion for the B&C Community (Mods - please don’t move)

Mods, please don’t move this thread. I would like to have this convo specifically with the B&C community (many of whom do not venture into the EYIW debacle … er … forum.

Here is the discussion: Many of you have let your discontent with the last two U2 albums (ATYCLB & HTDAAB) and their current style because they/it are too safe/commercialized/radio friendly/boring etc. My question is, if the next album comes out to be a abstract/think piece/experimental masterpiece, will it change your mind at all about the current state of U2 music?

I think the songs U2 have written for the last two albums are brilliant. Some of the best that they have ever written, but I am a little disappointed with the production and the sound of the songs, but if they come back with another couple of albums that really push the envelope sonically, will you be able to enjoy the last two albums as a really great band following their artistic muse and making really good pop music?

Ok, discuss.
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Old 10-27-2005, 02:17 PM   #2
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An album that goes back to the U2 sound that I prefer will probably not change my opinion of HTDAAB in retrospect.

That said, I can of course appreciate and respect that U2 is making the music they want to make, which is why I don't get into semantic discussions about their production, etc choices - I respect their muse highly, and in a way, I respect them more for doing whatever the hell they want to do no matter what.
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An album that goes back to the U2 sound that I prefer will probably not change my opinion of HTDAAB in retrospect.

That said, I can of course appreciate and respect that U2 is making the music they want to make, which is why I don't get into semantic discussions about their production, etc choices - I respect their muse highly, and in a way, I respect them more for doing whatever the hell they want to do no matter what.
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I'd be thrilled if U2's next album were an innovative masterpiece, but it wouldn't change my opinion that ATYCLB and HTDAAB are not very remarkable albums by U2 standards. But I might have a better time listening to them because I would able to enjoy them for what they are - nice, pleasant, not-terribly-original albums - rather than thinking "U2 is never going to aspire to anything more than this ever again."
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no.

all that you can't leave behind is a boring record no matter what perspective i choose to look at it with.

if some of you like it, that's great. really, i'm thrilled for you.

but to me it's the sound of u2 chopping down whatever they once stood for, and replacing it with the seeds of commercial success.
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seeds of commercial success eh? So the didn't have commercial success before ATYCLB?

I know you don't think that, but it's definitely what you implied.
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When I first heard Pride on the school bus that day in 1985, I was not concerned with whether it was innovative or whether it was "different" from their previous records.

I loved the tune. Bought the LP, heard "Bad", and I was hooked.

Years later came Zooropa, which upon first listen, was crap. Apart from Zooropa and Stay, the U2 I loved was gone up their own ass.

Then the "art school" Passengers.

Pop was better, because it had "Gone", one of the greatest U2 songs ever. But still, I wasn't taken with the trendy production. I just wanted good songs.

With ATYCLB and HTDAAB the band put the focus back on the songs, and played to their strengths. I loved it.

In the end it made me appreciate Zooropa, and Pop alot more.
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I'd be thrilled if U2's next album were an innovative masterpiece, but it wouldn't change my opinion that ATYCLB and HTDAAB are not very remarkable albums by U2 standards. But I might have a better time listening to them because I would able to enjoy them for what they are - nice, pleasant, not-terribly-original albums - rather than thinking "U2 is never going to aspire to anything more than this ever again."
Completely agree with everything in this post!
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seeds of commercial success eh? So the didn't have commercial success before ATYCLB?

I know you don't think that, but it's definitely what you implied.
as soon as i wrote that i tried changing it, but this stupid server (or maybe my own lameass browser) wouldn't let me connect properly.

what i really meant was that u2 is doing whatever it takes to be popular at the expense of good music.

of course they were hugely popular before 2000...they 7ust didn't feel the need to whore themselves like they do now. their music did the work for them.
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they 7ust didn't feel the need to whore themselves like they do now. their music did the work for them.
Right. U2 never sold themselves before 2000.

Did you catch U2 playing in a K-Mart in 97.

Or the Prime-Time special about Pop on ABC in 97?

Or the Prime-Time Zoo-TV special on Fox in 92?

The European TV and promo spots are to numerous to list.

But this is off topic.
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Right. U2 never sold themselves before 2000.

Did you catch U2 playing in a K-Mart in 97.

Or the Prime-Time special about Pop on ABC in 97?

Or the Prime-Time Zoo-TV special on Fox in 92?

The European TV and promo spots are to numerous to list.

But this is off topic.


But but but...that was irony, see they didn't really mean it!
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But but but...that was irony, see they didn't really mean it!
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well i don't remember u2 teaming up with target to release some sort of collection of tunes that were never available before, prior to 2001/2002.

i remember u2 slutting it up with ipod last year.

i don't remember u2 going out of their way to endorse the ALL NEW AND EXTREMELY EXCITING AUDIO CASSETTE in the 1980's.

i remember u2 teaming up with best buy in the early 00's.

i don't remember them teaming up with any business other than their own record label in the 80's/90's.

i remember bono phoning the white house, mocking bush senior.

i remember bono calling the french president a wanker in front of millions.

i also remember bono recently saying something to the effect that george bush and tony blair are the lennon mccartney of politics right now in terms of fighting poverty in africa. fucking brutal.

i remember bono paying attention to the lyrics he put in his songs.

i also remember the atrocity that is elevation, a sin so powerful, i'm not sure if they'll ever be forgiven for it.

i could go on a lot longer, and i think i will.
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well i don't remember u2 teaming up with target to release some sort of collection of tunes that were never available before, prior to 2001/2002.

i remember u2 slutting it up with ipod last year.

i don't remember u2 going out of their way to endorse the ALL NEW AND EXTREMELY EXCITING AUDIO CASSETTE in the 1980's.

i remember u2 teaming up with best buy in the early 00's.

i don't remember them teaming up with any business other than their own record label in the 80's/90's.

i remember bono phoning the white house, mocking bush senior.

i remember bono calling the french president a wanker in front of millions.

i also remember bono recently saying something to the effect that george bush and tony blair are the lennon mccartney of politics right now in terms of fighting poverty in africa. fucking brutal.

i remember bono paying attention to the lyrics he put in his songs.

i also remember the atrocity that is elevation, a sin so powerful, i'm not sure if they'll ever be forgiven for it.

i could go on a lot longer, and i think i will.
Zoomy, I love you...... in a platonic sort of way of course.

Nothing else is left to be said, really.

That Lennon-McCartney comment is shocking! Did he really say that???
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Zoomy, I love you...... in a platonic sort of way of course.

Nothing else is left to be said, really.

That Lennon-McCartney comment is shocking! Did he really say that???
of course of course.
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