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Old 10-30-2005, 01:33 PM   #91
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But, in their plight to fight ageism in rock, if that is what they are trying to do, they are in fact perpetuating the idea that most people have of what aging rock bands are about - back to roots, trying to emulate what made them 'big' in the first place, still not having as many chart hits as in years past, putting out records so they can tour, etc. If they really wanted to fight ageism in rock, shouldn't their goal be to retain the respect of people - age 15, age age 25, age 45 and older alike - for their abilities as musicians and not for their ability to make chart hits? Because as someone who was in high school as recently as two years ago, I GUARANTEE you that those kids DO NOT have the same kind of respect for U2 that the 15 year-olds of 1987 or of 1991 or of 1993 had for U2. If they really wanted to fight ageism in rock, shouldn't the goal be to continue pushing the envelope with their music and to keep trying to blow peoples' minds with their music as if there's no reason why being 45 should make them any less capable of it? Wouldn't that be a better fight against ageism in rock than making two records that basically say, 'we're 45 and we don't think we CAN make records that will blow your mind anymore so we're trying to be the pop band we're not instead'?
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Old 10-30-2005, 01:41 PM   #92
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If they really wanted to fight ageism in rock, shouldn't the goal be to continue pushing the envelope with their music and to keep trying to blow peoples' minds with their music as if there's no reason why being 45 should make them any less capable of it? Wouldn't that be a better fight against ageism in rock than making two records that basically say, 'we're 45 and we don't think we CAN make records that will blow your mind anymore so we're trying to be the pop band we're not instead'?
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In 1987 there were those who saw The Joshua Tree as a "sell-out, $ grab at fame and chart position.

In 1991 there were those who saw AB as a trend jump on the "alternative" bandwagon which was exploding at the time.

Same thing with Pop in 97.

This is nothing new with U2 fans.
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In 1987 there were those who saw The Joshua Tree as a "sell-out, $ grab at fame and chart position.

In 1991 there were those who saw AB as a trend jump on the "alternative" bandwagon which was exploding at the time.

Same thing with Pop in 97.

This is nothing new with U2 fans.
Except that in 2000, the number of people who saw U2 as sellouts or chart whores increased exponentially. And everyone everywhere is talking about it.
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Except that in 2000, the number of people who saw U2 as sellouts or chart whores increased exponentially. And everyone everywhere is talking about it.
Nope. There were just as many then.
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Cmon Brau, it's obvious how many people now see U2 as past their prime as compared to 1992!

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Cmon Brau, it's obvious how many people now see U2 as past their prime as compared to 1992!

Nope. You're wrong. I remember those releases very well because they were big moments for me. And I remember the tone of the arguements.
It's really no different than the current one. We just have the internet now.

How did you and your friends feel about U2 in the summer 1992?

Remember when that Spin article came out in 88 or so, with the Bono on the cover, and the headline "Hating U2."
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How did you and your friends feel about U2 in the summer 1992?

Remember when that Spin article came out in 88 or so, with the Bono on the cover, and the headline "Hating U2."
Well....... I got into U2 properly only in 1992 with the videos for Mysterious Ways, Even Better and One. And I was living in India then. So I definitely do not know about the Spin article.
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Well....... I got into U2 properly only in 1992 with the videos for Mysterious Ways, Even Better and One. And I was living in India then. So I definitely do not know about the Spin article.
And you were only 9-10 years old......
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And you were only 9-10 years old......
No.. I guess we were both like 13 or something, dude.

when is your birthday?
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No.. I guess we were both like 13 or something, dude.

when is your birthday?
You were 9-10 years old at the time of the Spin article, and you know it

My birthday is very close to New Years Eve....When is yours?
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You were 9-10 years old at the time of the Spin article, and you know it

My birthday is very close to New Years Eve....When is yours?
Oh.. I thought you meant in 1992! Okay, yeah.

Mine is Nov 10th... coming up.
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