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Old 10-30-2005, 10:22 PM   #136
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In my opinion it's the equivalent of plastic surgery.
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Old 10-30-2005, 10:55 PM   #137
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The Unforgettable Fire is such a kick arse song in so many ways, somehow incredibly powerful but delicate at the same time. Still a mind fuck of a sound even in 2005. It's amazing.

And people dare name City of Blinding Lights as coming from the same place? Why? Explain that to me because I have no idea how that is possible.
You know I'm fanatical about both songs (in my top ten, UF is #3 and COBL #5) and the Unforgettable Fire album as a whole, and I honestly don't really get this point either. The only place I feel COBL could even fit on the UF album is between ASOH and Pride. I think that if anything, it has more in common with the epic nature of some Joshua Tree songs while taking a Pridesque anthemic chorus. I honestly can't stand it when people slam COBL's chorus without even saying a peep about Pride's. Either they're both sucky cliche choruses U2 should be embarrased of, or they're both not. I don't really see how you can say one is while the other isn't.
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Old 10-30-2005, 11:04 PM   #138
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Walk on by
Walk on through
So sad to besiege your love so head on
Stay in this time
Stay tonight in a lie
I'm only asking but I...
I think you know

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And I miss you when you're not around
I'm getting ready to leave the ground

Oh you look so beautiful tonight
In the city of blinding lights


Now I admit I like the wall of guitar sound on COBL but is there even a contest as to the lyrics??? Is there?
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City of Blinding Lights may "sound cool", might be very tight, might feature an unfortunately buried decent Edge part, but musicaly, conceptually, lyricaly.... pffft. It may have it's influences in some of what U2 did in the 80's, but it's not even remotely fucking close in quality (and yes, Pride is pretty tacky but that was 20 years ago and is but one tacky effort on an otherwise outstanding album, not a whole tacky album when by now they really should be far far beyond it).
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City of Blinding Lights may "sound cool", might be very tight, might feature an unfortunately buried decent Edge part, but musicaly, conceptually, lyricaly.... pffft. It may have it's influences in some of what U2 did in the 80's, but it's not even remotely fucking close in quality.
I actually think COBL is better than UF, and I've been digging that tune for 20 years.
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I actually think COBL is better than UF, and I've been digging that tune for 20 years.
even the lyrics???
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even the lyrics???
Asked by the guy who thinks "is it getting better or do you feel the same?" is not even a remotely cliche or lyrically poor way to open a so-called classic song.
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even the lyrics???
I'm not breaking the song down into each little bit for analysis.

I like the song, COBL, better than UF.
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Asked by the guy who thinks "is it getting better or do you feel the same?" is not even a remotely cliche or lyrically poor way to open a so-called classic song.
Is it getting better
or do you feel the same?

...is a fantastic way to open a heartfelt song like One!

as opposed to...

The more you see the less you know

a Last Night On Earth ripoff!!!
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I'm not breaking the song down into each little bit for analysis.

I like the song, COBL, better than UF.
It's a topsy turvy little world we live in isn't it.
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The more you see the less you know

a Last Night On Earth ripoff!!!


Preach it Zoot! Testify!
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Is it getting better
or do you feel the same?

...is a fantastic way to open a heartfelt song like One!

as opposed to...

The more you see the less you know

a Last Night On Earth ripoff!!!
"Is it getting better or do you feel the same?" is not only a false dilemma, but isn't exactly the pinnacle of lyrical genius. Not that it actually needs to be - my entire point is lyrics needn't be extremely eloquent to be meaningful and valid. The context and meaning should be judged; ripping portions of COBL out of their context and both slamming them and mocking COBL fans isn't valid.

I also think that COBL line is good, even if it is a bit too similar to LNOE.
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The context and meaning should be judged; ripping portions of COBL out of their context and both slamming them and mocking COBL fans isn't valid.
First off, I haven't mocked any COBL fans. Second, I compared EXACTLY the chorus of UF (actually it doesn't even have a chorus, just some ecstatic lines that get repeated) with the chorus of COBL. And I prefer the lyrical quality of UF.
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Earnie - I swear, you and I share the same brain.

As far as songs vs. experimentation goes, I love good songwriting. I really, really do. Stripped-down songs without bells and whistles are great, but I'm not getting that from U2 right now. With a few exceptions, such Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own, which is beautiful in its simplicity, honesty and naked emotion, U2 now seems to be specializing in making catchy songs designed to get stuck in our heads and sell more iPods (Vertigo), songs about spirituality that lack any kind of subtlety or complexity and seem like they could have been written by some awful contemporary Christian group (Yahweh) or songs that sound like bastardized, watered-down versions of their '80s work (COBL). And Bono's lyrics these days are just painful for this former English major to listen to. The guy used to write poetry. For the most part, he's now spouting platitudes.
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cobl SUXS AND FAILED AS A SINGLE!!!
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