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"I just happened to run into Pauline Hanson's advisor while socialising with the criminal scum who I now work for," the one term premier said.
 
I see the Living Soul, Malcolm Ieuan: Roberts, isn't the only fellow in One Nation's senate lineup with interesting legal opinions:
The letter to the Queensland magistrate, dated 15 November and bearing Culleton’s Senate letterhead, said: “We are watching with interest the conduct of all judicial officers Australia wide, after discovering the high court has not been conducting its business in the name of the Queen.

If it's any comfort, Rod, I conduct my business in the name of the Queen and have done for many years.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...claim-50-years-of-australian-laws-are-invalid

Apparently Pauline had a meeting with him to ascertain 'are we ok to go on'. Define 'ok', I suppose would be my response.
 
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Pauline herself isn't ok to go on, but geez did she learn nothing from 1998 about vetting candidates?
 
You need a machine gun to control pests out in the bush eh.



I see this is purported to be in reaction to the Shooters, Rooters and Looters winning a state seat (from that fellow in the Baird government?).


Still can't believe SFF won the Orange seat. The ALP and other parties made a contribution to it through a "put the Nats last" campaign. Honestly I'm not sure which option is worse... I wouldn't have wanted to be a voter there because it really would've come down to the dregs of my preferences.
 
Whinge for the week:

1. Worksafe - spent how much money coming up with a fantastic, brand spanking new name..... (drumroll, please ) .... Safework. Yep, really went out on a limb for that one.

2. Same department has decided that we need more labelling around dangerous goods and that other government departments can't possibly have reviewed and approved things thoroughly enough so lets slap on a few more symbols and hazard codes to scare the poor punters who have no idea. How long has this been going on for you might ask? Oh, five years with the phase in period over on 1 Jan 2017 and everyone must comply at that point.

3. Enter, stage right, one Barnaby Joyce, who is now "suddenly" deciding to do something about it for the poor farmers and manufacturers who have spent f-ing millions to make sure they comply. You have four weeks bucko, have you ever heard for productions schedules, printing schedules, distributions schedules, oh and throw in Christmas and New Year for good measure...

4. And while we are at it, moving a government department where only 8 people out of the 170+ who work there have said they will go, to your electorate is (a) pork barrelling and (b) a complete waste of tax payers money.

5. Brandis - OMG! Why, why, why.

6. "Please explain" Hansen - what were the people of sunny Queensland thinking (or should that be not)...

I need a drink!!
 
Wow, look who it is, haven't seen you around here for years Tania! :wave:

Barnaby Joyce has got to be a candidate for most incompetent Nationals leader ever. The guy looks like a sweaty tomato and has the charisma of one. What a shame Tony Windsor couldn't quite knock him off at the election.

And surely Brandis's time is numbered. Or he has some really good dirt on somebody, because members of cabinet have been turfed out for far less.
 
:wave: I know, I know it's been a while.:D

You didn't happen to be at the Crowded House concert, Axver?

And what's this with the PM of NZ deciding to step down?
 
From what I have been reading he is dead popular over there (but then again, I'm on the other side of the island so who knows as we don't get mucho info re NZ unless there is an earthquake or the All Blacks have smashed someone :lol:)

Maybe he could encourage his "Bro" to go with him :love:
 
I'm extremely curious about the similarities/differences between Aus and NZ political culture. That a PM like Key can seemingly retain popularity this far in is unusual to me when all of our recent PMs' approvals plummet after 6 months in office.
 
Maybe New Zealand is still on an earlier track, recent political-trends-wise. Honestly what little I know of the Key government reminds me of Stephen Harper's long, long tenure in Canada. It's hard to really understand, but there it is, a fact of nature.
 
I must say I'm a bit pertubed by all this casual linking of the Italian referendum with Brexit/Trump/insert-insult-to-librul-centrism-here. From what I understand the referendum was concerned primarily with reducing the power of that country's senate so as to ease the passage of more worker-unfriendly laws. Unless we're now in the territory of two legs good, four legs bad, I'd have thought Italians had every right to reject it.

I guess I just am really starting to lose patience with the lazy equating of the EU with all that is progressive and virtuous. It might have been that way at some earlier time, but at this point it strikes me as little more than a dysfunctional currency union storing up big trouble for itself. Has nobody paid attention to what has been enforced on Greece? Modern day colonialism, come home.
 
I have thought for a long time that the EU is utter trash. Its only positive is that its alternative (currently) is arguably more bleak.
 
You didn't happen to be at the Crowded House concert, Axver?

Why yes, I was front row at all four! It was quite the week.

And what's this with the PM of NZ deciding to step down?

Oh yeah, fucker with limited policy coherency has decided to walk. Rather interesting.
 
I have thought for a long time that the EU is utter trash. Its only positive is that its alternative (currently) is arguably more bleak.

Let's be honest, it really has played a major role in European peace since the end of WWII.

The people undermining it right now want to see the world burn. They lack any coherent rationale other than a fear of people who aren't white.
 
Three Liberal MPs went to Ilham Aliyev's Azerbaijan to rave about their 'democratic process'. Wonderful.
 
Have you checked out the concert on iview? Sister Madly, I thought it was you. :D

Haha yeah, I've checked a few songs. I need to sit down and re-live the whole thing.

Three Liberal MPs went to Ilham Aliyev's Azerbaijan to rave about their 'democratic process'. Wonderful.

Geez why can't somebody pay me to go on a junket to Azerbaijan.
 
So, Australian politics, huh.

Ron Culleton is elected in July for One Nation and is gone by Christmas. Even Jacqui Lambie lasted for longer in PUP between her election and defection (though because her term began quite some months after her election, she actually occupied a seat for PUP for less time than Culleton did for One Nation). Some mate of his shouted at judges during his court case today, calling them paedophiles. Yep, that's how you win the case.

Meanwhile, a One Nation candidate for the next Queensland state election is an Asian. I... don't think they got the memo.
 
This is why I'm not super-alarmed by One Nation, sure they inevitably had to ride a bit of a wave at this point in history, but it's not a long term proposition. That Hanson is clearly not in acceptable control still, vis a vis candidates who don't have issues, is telling. Look for defections in the coming year.

Sadly, what we're already seeing is a repeat of the Howard era; appropriate the Hanson chatter to the Liberal brand, and keep on chooglin'. Thus pushing one of our two major parties further right. We have compulsory voting though, and you don't win friends by frothing at the mouth in a compulsory voting system.
 
Well, the accepted wisdom is that compulsory voting keeps the system stable and centrist, but I'm now sufficiently concerned by the wild ride of 2016 that I wonder if it's the next brand of conventional wisdom to get overturned. I don't mean that I think One Nation will become some sort of political force, far from it, but that I don't think it's protection against the Libs lurching far harder than ought to be acceptable in polite company, or even impolite sick cunt company.

Who will be the next One Nation member to go? Malcolm Roberts seems to be getting along with Pauline so far, even as they push separate crusades. I've heard so few peeps from the NSW dude that off the top of my head I've completely forgotten his name. That might mean he's next, the Glenn Lazarus who looks so cosy but then gets annoyed by something pretty basic. I doubt he'll turn out to be half as sincere at doing a decent job as Lazarus did though.

We should perhaps be grateful Pauline has not at all learnt any lessons about vetting candidates. Nor, it seems, has Bob Katter been paying attention to those either. I love that he's tried to get Culleton to join his party. :lol:
 
Well, the accepted wisdom is that compulsory voting keeps the system stable and centrist, but I'm now sufficiently concerned by the wild ride of 2016 that I wonder if it's the next brand of conventional wisdom to get overturned. I don't mean that I think One Nation will become some sort of political force, far from it, but that I don't think it's protection against the Libs lurching far harder than ought to be acceptable in polite company, or even impolite sick cunt company.

Who will be the next One Nation member to go? Malcolm Roberts seems to be getting along with Pauline so far, even as they push separate crusades. I've heard so few peeps from the NSW dude that off the top of my head I've completely forgotten his name. That might mean he's next, the Glenn Lazarus who looks so cosy but then gets annoyed by something pretty basic. I doubt he'll turn out to be half as sincere at doing a decent job as Lazarus did though.

We should perhaps be grateful Pauline has not at all learnt any lessons about vetting candidates. Nor, it seems, has Bob Katter been paying attention to those either. I love that he's tried to get Culleton to join his party. :lol:

Seriously, Bob Katter wanted a bar of Culleton? Bad move, Bob. Rob is bad, bad chicken.

Yeah, well, I don't claim that compulsory voting delivers 'centrist' politics, whatever that even is (was the Chifley government centrist? Or the Howard government?). But it does disable the sort of 'get out the vote politics' that seems to be manna from heaven for the born again types. The used car salesmen. In an American system, Joh might very well have made it.

The sort of imported sturm und drang surrounding Islam plays very well in certain limited quarters -and that is Hanson's schtick now, I don't hear very much about her alleged economic nationalism, not much at all, funny that - but it's compelling to a relatively small fraction of the voting public, I think. Be thankful everyone else can't stay home when election days roll around.

After all, returning here to the elephant in the room, maybe - what 25%? less? - of Americans who might or could hypothetically vote, voted for the guy. I'm sorry, by the guy, I mean, the guy. That's a voluntary voting system in action.
 
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Yep, Katter made overtures - rejected for now, but with the door open to an arrangement in a few months. Katter's even gone to the dude's court appearances. That FNQ heat must be really getting to him.

I suppose "centrist" was the wrong term, but then you could say that Chifley was turfed out because he ultimately deviated too far from the centre with his bank nationalism scheme, and likewise Howard with Work Choices.

Agreed on the "get out the vote" shit though. We are spared a lot of deep unpleasantness. It is curious, though, how the "get out the move" initiative in the States is so much stronger than in other countries with voluntary voting. You hear about organisation in the UK, say, but not nearly to the same extent.
 
Yeah it's true, the UK seems a bit less gung ho with its voter drives. Not sure I know enough about the the lay of the land there to guess why... although maybe the lack of presidential elections is part of it. Americans act like they're appointing a boring minor deity. In fact, Obama leaves office with the military, security and domestic spheres virtually unchanged from how he found them.
 
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