Pinball Wizard said:
Ok, you just described Tampa Bay... Ottawa's sister franchise. I know you'll still consider them expansion... any team created in the last decade is still relatively new. Teams of that nature emerge from employing similar coaching philosophies to get the ball rolling... which results in boring teams. We've discussed this before.
That's a good one, Cuj. I just described Tampa Bay? Look over the roster and compare. Tampa Bay is a pretty good up and coming team, but aren't in the same league as Ottawa (well, they are in the NHL, but you no what I mean
) To lump the two into the same pile is to blind yourself to the talent Ottawa has player for player. Ottawa, as I already said, doesn't employ the trap as much as less talented teams do. They do not rely on it as much. Maybe that's why they lost to the Devils? Probably. It's sad that teams like the Devils have to drag Ottawa down to their level in order to beat them.
So it's ok to be boring to win? I know I may be extrapolating too much from your words, but that double standard just keeps popping up.
When did I ever say the Canucks were boring? On the contrary, I said they had the better on ice product, because they allow the defence to join the rush. I also said they sometimes employ a (rather sad) version of the trap, but don't rely on it to win. Every team uses the trap to some extent, only because the entire NHL uses it, and if you don't, you're not going to be competitive. The Canucks hardly ever use it unless they're sitting on a lead...and even then, it's more a lock than a trap. They still have two guys on the forecheck, and still attack and allow the defence to join the rush.
Do you consider Anaheim elite? They went to the finals one year... by your standards that's a friggin dynasty, so the answer must be yes!
Which standards are these? I don't recall ever listing or espousing any such standards. On what grounds do you issue your contention? I never once said a team has to go to the finals in order to be considered elite... so you have no argument. In fact, I said the opposite. I agree with you that a team needs to show a high level of performance on a consistent basis. You believe it equates to several playoff series wins (which Ottawa has by the way), and I believe it can be drawn from a number of different categories, including regular season play.
That is what separates them from a team like New Jersey. And, if Anaheim isn't considered elite... a team that has gone farther than current iterations of Ottawa and Vancouver... then how can they themselves be labelled highly by this hierarchy?
Once again, it's a matter of high level consistency. Anaheim has never shown itself consistent at a high level, while Vancouver and Ottawa have... once again, over the regular season, and not necessarily the playoffs. Obviously the playoffs also need to be taken into consideration, but it's by no means the only thing.
Anyway, do you respect Steve Yzerman's opinion? If anyone knows what he's talking about, it's surely the best captain in the NHL. Here's what he had to say on the Vancouver Canucks after their 5-1 loss a couple days ago:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/shownews.jsp?content=h110406A
"We just didn't generate anything five on five," said 38-year-old Steve Yzerman, who leads the Detroit with six goals.
He said Vancouver has developed into a well-balanced team since the Wings eliminated them from the Stanley Cup playoffs two years ago.
"All four lines are pretty effective now in one way or another and a little bit different. The Sedins with that young guy King scores two goals.
"They're a well-balanced team and 10 games into the season we're aware that they're one of the elite teams."
I guess Steve Yzerman must be wrong if we are to believe you and Chiz.