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Old 11-12-2003, 01:29 AM   #301
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Here's the problem: The NHL should not have moved the nets forward an extra 3 feet from the back boards a few years ago. This did two things: 1) it created much more of a cycle game down low, which I personally find boring. Even Gretzky said he preferred less room behind the net, as it helped him (and others) retrieve the puck there and make plays more easily. There's just waaaay too much room back there now. Players cannot use the net as a decoy as much anymore to protect the puck because there's much more room for checkers to surround a player back there now. And 2), perhaps the biggest problem of all (yet perhaps the most subtle) with having the nets an extra 3 feet from the boards, is there's less room in the neutral zone. Consequently, it's easier for teams to trap. We all know the trap isn't a recent invention. It's just much easier to employ now, and the rule changes in the mid 90s are a big reason for that. With less room in the neutral zone, players have less space to build an attack, forcing them to dump and chase as soon as they hit the red line.

It's no coincidence that scoring in the NHL went down tremendously as soon as Gary Bettman introduced the 3 extra feet behind each goal.
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With no-touch icing the dump and chase style that predominates would become all but obsolete... as well as helping to rid the league of unecessary injuries.
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Steve's a smart guy. One of the best captains in NHL history. Who are we to argue his wisdom?
the most important component of yzerman's quote is 10 games.

they are one of the best through 10.

a week or two later and they are still one of the best through 15 or so.

but that doesn't matter. being the best through 82 is meaningless. its the first to 16 wins after that.

the canucks may have been *ELITE* for a time last season as well, but they destroyed that themselves.

no one should really give a damn about being *ELITE* through 10, 20 or 80 games.
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Old 11-12-2003, 01:37 PM   #304
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With no-touch icing the dump and chase style that predominates would become all but obsolete... as well as helping to rid the league of unecessary injuries.
On the injury front, I agree with you. However, I don't think it would eliminate the dump and chase style. Don't forget, under the current rules, in order to dump and chase, you have to do it after you cross the red line, otherwise you'll get called for icing (unless the dumping team gets to the puck first, which can make for exciting hockey with fast teams, but I digress...). If there was no touch icing, players would simply dump and chase only once they hit the red line, as they usually do anyway, so it wouldn't change a thing really.
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the most important component of yzerman's quote is 10 games.

they are one of the best through 10.

a week or two later and they are still one of the best through 15 or so.

but that doesn't matter. being the best through 82 is meaningless. its the first to 16 wins after that.

the canucks may have been *ELITE* for a time last season as well, but they destroyed that themselves.

no one should really give a damn about being *ELITE* through 10, 20 or 80 games.
Agreed. I have revised my thoughts. To be perfectly honest, there aren't any elite teams in the NHL anymore. The last were the Oilers of the 80s. Before that the Islanders, and before that the Canadiens. What you had in the 90s and beyond, was a watered down version of the term "elite" - The Wings, Avalanche, and Devils are/were merely very good teams who won the Cup off and on. I wouldn't call them (or anyone else today) elite, now that I've thought about it more.
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now the maple leafs...well they define !@#$%^&*()ELITE)(*&^%$#@!.
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Agreed. I have revised my thoughts. To be perfectly honest, there aren't any elite teams in the NHL anymore. The last were the Oilers of the 80s. Before that the Islanders, and before that the Canadiens. What you had in the 90s and beyond, was a watered down version of the term "elite" - The Wings, Avalanche, and Devils are/were merely very good teams who won the Cup off and on. I wouldn't call them (or anyone else today) elite, now that I've thought about it more.
i guess that proves yzerman is a liar
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Old 11-12-2003, 04:24 PM   #308
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i guess that proves yzerman is a liar
No, Yzerman is simply using the new, watered down, version of the term "elite". Remember, afterall, his Wings are considered elite within the same context.
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dump and chase is b-o-r-i-n-g
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Did I read correctly that the Canucks have no thugs on thier team?
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dump and chase is b-o-r-i-n-g
Precisely. Too bad the Wild (and other heavily trapping teams) force everyone to do it.
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Did I read correctly that the Canucks have no thugs on thier team?
If there is one criticsm with the Canucks, it is that they don't have enough goon power/toughness. They no longer have Langdon, and May is too small to be as affective as a bigger enforcer. The Canucks have size, skill, speed, finesse...but they lack goon power, yes.
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and they lacked a goal last night.
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Yes, they played right into the evil trapping ways of the Wild. They played the Wild's system, instead of forcing the Wild to play theirs. Wot a pity.
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Precisely. Too bad the Wild (and other heavily trapping teams) force everyone to do it.
I have been attending Wild Games since the preseason of their first year. I was complaining back then about how much they dumped the puck. I figured it was just because they were a young, new team. It has decreased, but they still do it too much.
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