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Old 01-13-2007, 06:56 AM   #16
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I'd say prog rock is like fucking a chick whilst reading a manual about sex. Checking each step. Double checking each step. Asking her if it's ok with her.

And punk rock is just kinda "going at it." Like a wild animal.

They both have their place. But one puts a bigger grin on my face than the other.

Not to mention her face.
Here's how I see it:

Good punk: "going at it" like a wild animal.
Bad punk: getting done up the arse with no lube when you really weren't expecting it. By a fork.

Good prog: One of those evenings where absolutely every detail falls into place and is memorable. And not just the sex, but also everything beforehand like the romantic dinner, and everything afterward such as lying together in the dark and sleeping soundly and contentedly in each other's arms.
Bad prog: Reading the manual and getting everything "right", but really not having much intimacy or pleasure.

So, in other words, good punk is for when you're really horny while good prog is for when you want an evening to remember.
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Old 01-13-2007, 07:10 AM   #17
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How many Clash records have you heard?

You need Clash records.
I have a few. I hold The Clash in high regard.

(I was in fact the person cheering the loudest at every U2 gig I saw when Bono snippeted Rock The Casbah.)

What I meant with my comment is that you have punk rockers such as the Sex Pistols who had an unfocused aggression - Johnny Rotten is busy sneering and everyone and everything. Meanwhile, when a prog musician like Steven Wilson gets angry, his aggression is very focused and direct and cuts through the subject with precision. You get the whole package too; not just the anger but also the context. It makes for more potent, thought-provoking venom. I guess it's the difference between your cousin Bob who thinks Bush is a fucking dickhead and your friend Andrzj the academic who just published a book explaining the failings of Bush's policy. Bob's great for a conversation and you can get a lot off your chest while cheering on his hyperbole. Andrzj requires you to engage your brain, but his critique is probably more effective and definitely provides you with a much stronger foundation, not to mention how his well-considered attacks provide you with so many more reasons to despise Bush than Bob's semi-incoherent venom could ever hope to provide.
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Old 01-13-2007, 10:03 AM   #18
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Since you didn't give an option to enjoy both genres, I'm abstaining from this poll. I genuinely enjoy both types of music.

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I like both, but I really prefer punk.
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Old 01-13-2007, 12:25 PM   #20
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prog may be technically brilliant, but I still don't like it. 70's prog anyway. Pink Floyd and Yes have some stuff I like, but Genesis... in general i could just never get into it. porcupine tree is tight though

Punk is awesome. guess I like the rough sex
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Old 01-13-2007, 12:45 PM   #21
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I suppose i'm leaning more towards punk because of the fact that quite a lot of classic singles came out in the late 70's that still stand up today like 'fallen in love' by buzzcocks, 'my sharona' by the knack and 'god save the queen' by the sex pistols. The clash are one of my favourite bands ever and the ramones were as good as any of the good punk of the day. Although i must admit there was quite a lot of bad punk which is pretty much unlistenable its that awful. Also the influence of punk can't be understated as the movement went on to influence bands such as U2, Pixies, The Smiths, Nirvana and suchlike.

And i remember Bono saying something like before punk came along it looked like you needed some sort of musical degree to even think about starting a band. Although on the other hand i am slowly being drawn in by the charms of pink floyd so if you ask me this question again in a year or so i might change my mind...
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i like both

Public Image Ltd / Genesis

best combo ever







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Old 01-13-2007, 01:37 PM   #24
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The whole prog versus punk argument is ridiculous. Always has been, always will be. Apples versus oranges. It's so silly that people feel they have to swear allegiance to one over the other. I mean really, is there any need to still be arguing about this in 2007? There were good 70s prog bands and there were bad 70s prog bands. There were good 70s punk bands and there were bad 70s punk bands. Why not just savour the best of it?

So while you guys are grumbling over guitar scales and whether or not they are passionate, I'm going to have a listen to Wish You Were Here. Then I'm going to have a listen to London Calling. And, would you know it, I'm going to enjoy both of them!
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I didn't read the statement in this thread that said you had to enjoy one genre and completely loathe the other. I just took it as a "state your preference" type of thing. Obviously not many people are going to see this as a black-or-white, either/or type of choice.

Anyway, I'd definitely take punk over prog. Great prog (Wish You Were Here, The Wall, In the Court of the Crimson King) can be absolutely exquisite, but great punk (The Clash, London Calling, God Save the Queen, Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables, etc.) can be simply electrifying. Both are good, and it really depends on my mood as to which genre's highs I enjoy the most.

However, average-to-bad prog can easily make me laugh at its overwrought pretentiousness, assuming it doesn't put me to sleep altogether. Average-to-bad punk at least tends to retain the energy and passion that defines the genre, though it can be somewhat grating at times.

Overall, I'd say I enjoy more punk music (especially if we include post-punk and the music that the aforementioned genres influenced), but I certainly don't hate prog as a whole. Pink Floyd, King Crimson, and the like have made some amazing stuff. But I just tend to enjoy the punk aesthetic more.
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Who cares let's listen to Virginia Plain.

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I think Glam Rock to Punk Rock is a fairer comparison, but in this case I'd have to pick Prog Rock.

You cannot beat Pink Floyd, Yes, King Crimson, and Genesis in the '70s.
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Yes, you can, with a ten tonne weight. About the head. Repeatedly.

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I'd say prog rock is like fucking a chick whilst reading a manual about sex. Checking each step. Double checking each step. Asking her if it's ok with her.

And punk rock is just kinda "going at it." Like a wild animal.

They both have their place. But one puts a bigger grin on my face than the other.

Not to mention her face.

Punk Punk Punk

Ramones, Clash, Blondie, not so much the Pistols, Television, Patti Smith, etc. Oh, to have been a poet in 70's New York.
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So while you guys are grumbling over guitar scales and whether or not they are passionate, I'm going to have a listen to Wish You Were Here. Then I'm going to have a listen to London Calling. And, would you know it, I'm going to enjoy both of them!
That's why there's a "Crap Is Shit" option.
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