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Old 06-23-2005, 07:31 PM   #121
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You know, I think the problem stems less from set variation than from the songs that they are choosing to play this tour. Elevation didn't have that much more variation but the songs that got played on it reguarly--Gone, SATS, Stay, UF, Bad, Please on the third leg--are songs that hardcore fans love and/or hadn't been played in awhile. If the setlist was very much the same every show but with better songs or hits that hadn't been played to death I don't know if there would be so much controversy.
Good point, agreed. Plus Sunday Bloody Sunday made its full band comeback on Elevation, now there's nothing really new to it except the "Father Abraham" snippet (which I think is BEAUTIFUL) and the Jesus-Jew-Mohammed thing. Granted I think SBS should stay in the set but I could see maybe why other people would tire of it...

did they play UF on the Elevation tour? I so missed that. Then again, I missed Please too. I WANT TO SEE PLEASE LIVE BEFORE I DIEEEEE! that's all
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Old 06-23-2005, 07:33 PM   #122
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Couple of points...don't want to bother taking half an hour to do the quote thing:

1. Even when Bono semi-criticizes (and I don't even think he really does) the Bush administration, the sitaution in Iraq, and the rest of the lot...it is safe. He doesn't actually say it. He doesn't say "Abu Gharib was bullshit America..." He is not saying "and for the neo-nazi's, I give them Aushwitz." It is a watered down political commentary that if you blinked you would miss. The F-15 during BTBS is a critique, but mild...and then he endorses the politics of the United States virtually by dedicating RTSS to the US Military. Of course I know there is a big difference between supporting military troops and politics...but the critique he might have is washed out by this statement. Hell, he has done a world of good (and in the grand scheme of things probably way more signifigant than a stupid concert) but he is sadly a beltway insider of sorts and has to act a certain way sometimes. By the way, I find it completely tasteless (the RTSS still part) and non-sensical. Heroin, H-Blocks, Humvees?

2. For the millionth time, we all know that U2 never mixes it up. What we are saying is that they are in trouble of losing our interest if they don't. Or hell, that's what I am saying. It's to a point now where they need to do something different.

3. I agree that it is not necessarily their lack of mixing it up, but more the songs they have chosen. Bono talks about a moment when "God walks in the room". God has been absent at most of the shows I attended for the first time that I have ever seen U2. Still a great performance, still fun, still worth it...but not up to their standard.

4. Yeah, this is a touchy thing for me to. It is almost like blasphemy for me to talk about them in this way, but honest is honest. I think they are starting to losing it, the magic isn't there right now. They hopefully will get it back, perhaps Sept. 11 happening in the middle of Elevation changed it for us...but the magic isn't there for me. Great show, but not a religious experience that it has been in the past.

5. I am not yearning for it right now. I am not jealous of those in Europe. Does that say anything? I wish I was, but I am more looking forward to the possibility of seeing other bands right now. I feel guilty that it doesn't get me off (the show), there are moments...but hell the anticipation was more intense for me than the shows.


BTW: Here is my prediction for the next tour press conference. Bono will say something like "we made the mistake of underestimating our fans last time..."
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did they play UF on the Elevation tour? I so missed that. Then again, I missed Please too. I WANT TO SEE PLEASE LIVE BEFORE I DIEEEEE! that's all
No, color me bad. I don't know why I slipped up and put it in there. Probably wishful thinking.

On the political bent of U2 shows--forgive me if this has already been discussed but although U2 has always been political, they have rarely been terribly partisan. There are some exceptions (BTBS and US foreign policy in Latin America) but what they like to do is make people CARE about an injustice---Nobody thought what was going on in Sarajevo was a good thing, nobody thinks what's going on in Africa is a good thing. People who supported the war and people who didn't all think Abu Girab was a bad thing. The controversy of U2's politics often came from the fact that they were so passionate and the ways they got their message across--not because people disagree with them, per se.

(Not that this is a bad thing, mind you. The really important issues tend to be the ones people all agree on but because of their un-controversial-ness (???) often get forgotten about)
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You know, I think the problem stems less from set variation than from the songs that they are choosing to play this tour. Elevation didn't have that much more variation but the songs that got played on it reguarly--Gone, SATS, Stay, UF, Bad, Please on the third leg--are songs that hardcore fans love and/or hadn't been played in awhile. If the setlist was very much the same every show but with better songs or hits that hadn't been played to death I don't know if there would be so much controversy.
well lets look at it this way then... gone dropped after 1st leg, sats, stay, both accoustic, and people wanted ths set of accoustic songs dropping, bad was also dropped for the third leg i belive,

just enjoy things for the moment, without looking for it to be something it isnt, it will be over sooner than we all think, and it will be another 4-5 years until the next time, IF there even is a next time
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My take on the setlist discussion.
I actually have no problem with the fact that U2 is very predictable and sticks to almost the same setlists night after night. I've had 15 years to get used to this situation.
What annoys me alot is the fact that so many of these songs don't get rested from tour to tour.
If we had some of the rested songs played every night on this tour, I would be more than happy.
Let me just try with a few suggestions: "In God's Country", "Unforgettable Fire", "The First Time", "When Love Comes to Town", "Staring at the Sun", "Please", "Stuck in a Moment", "Love is blindness", etc.
These, in my opinion, are not songs only known by hardcore fans.
So my point is: It's not just about not changing the setlists - it's very much about U2 not changing them from tour to tour.

And another thing:
Just went to see Bruce Springsteen. He varies the setlist alot. I think what he does is putting so much energy into each song, so no matter if half of the crowd doesn't know the song that well, it still is an amazing experience.
I remember last tour been treated with "out of control".
I had not listened to "Boy" in a few years, so I could not recognize the song (embarassing). But the energy was there....
I'm not sure that many people in the venue knew the song. But they went nuts.
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Couple of points...don't want to bother taking half an hour to do the quote thing:

1. Even when Bono semi-criticizes (and I don't even think he really does) the Bush administration, the sitaution in Iraq, and the rest of the lot...it is safe. He doesn't actually say it. He doesn't say "Abu Gharib was bullshit America..." He is not saying "and for the neo-nazi's, I give them Aushwitz." It is a watered down political commentary that if you blinked you would miss. The F-15 during BTBS is a critique, but mild...and then he endorses the politics of the United States virtually by dedicating RTSS to the US Military. Of course I know there is a big difference between supporting military troops and politics...but the critique he might have is washed out by this statement. Hell, he has done a world of good (and in the grand scheme of things probably way more signifigant than a stupid concert) but he is sadly a beltway insider of sorts and has to act a certain way sometimes. By the way, I find it completely tasteless (the RTSS still part) and non-sensical. Heroin, H-Blocks, Humvees?

2. For the millionth time, we all know that U2 never mixes it up. What we are saying is that they are in trouble of losing our interest if they don't. Or hell, that's what I am saying. It's to a point now where they need to do something different.

3. I agree that it is not necessarily their lack of mixing it up, but more the songs they have chosen. Bono talks about a moment when "God walks in the room". God has been absent at most of the shows I attended for the first time that I have ever seen U2. Still a great performance, still fun, still worth it...but not up to their standard.

4. Yeah, this is a touchy thing for me to. It is almost like blasphemy for me to talk about them in this way, but honest is honest. I think they are starting to losing it, the magic isn't there right now. They hopefully will get it back, perhaps Sept. 11 happening in the middle of Elevation changed it for us...but the magic isn't there for me. Great show, but not a religious experience that it has been in the past.

5. I am not yearning for it right now. I am not jealous of those in Europe. Does that say anything? I wish I was, but I am more looking forward to the possibility of seeing other bands right now. I feel guilty that it doesn't get me off (the show), there are moments...but hell the anticipation was more intense for me than the shows.


BTW: Here is my prediction for the next tour press conference. Bono will say something like "we made the mistake of underestimating our fans last time..."
It's like you got a connection from my brain to yours when you wrote this. Don't have to adjust a single word.

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so did people not get into U2 because of songs like streets, bullet, sbs, etc?, as i have said before there are more people that go to a show, and are going for the first time, so want to hear the songs i mentioned above, the "die hards" get zoo station, running, and electric co, which if i remember before they even went on tour these were songs some were crying out for, saying things like "well i will be happy they they play electric co, no matter what"

what happend? you got them songs, and people want more, what gives you the right to say they should drop them? there are people that like the setlist, so who gives you the right to have it changed?
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We're all too greedy for more songs.
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so did people not get into U2 because of songs like streets, bullet, sbs, etc?, as i have said before there are more people that go to a show, and are going for the first time, so want to hear the songs i mentioned above, the "die hards" get zoo station, running, and electric co, which if i remember before they even went on tour these were songs some were crying out for, saying things like "well i will be happy they they play electric co, no matter what"

what happend? you got them songs, and people want more, what gives you the right to say they should drop them? there are people that like the setlist, so who gives you the right to have it changed?
people got into u2 because of Bullet??? I find that really hard to believe KUEFC09U2..streets, sbs of course but bullet isn't pleasing the non hardcore fans and well a lot of harcore fans neither...I'm thrilled that they play elec co, running and zoostation again by the way
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5. I am not yearning for it right now. I am not jealous of those in Europe. Does that say anything?

It says maybe it's time for you to move on to another group. It doesn't mean U2's doing anything wrong. Plenty of us are having a great time, love the setlists, love the show . . .

The people who don't like the setlists or the show at the moment, maybe it's just you guys. Maybe it's time for you to move on. People change

Personally, I wish I was lining up for Dublin today
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what happend? you got them songs, and people want more, what gives you the right to say they should drop them? there are people that like the setlist, so who gives you the right to have it changed?
It's just the same people making the same point. It's just their opinions.
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It says maybe it's time for you to move on to another group. It doesn't mean U2's doing anything wrong. Plenty of us are having a great time, love the setlists, love the show . . .

The people who don't like the setlists or the show at the moment, maybe it's just you guys. Maybe it's time for you to move on. People change

Personally, I wish I was lining up for Dublin today
OMG Kelly maybe you are right and it's time for me to move on...or the band has more likely)

It's like not being completely in love anymore in a relationship. Oh well at least you can have some "for good old times sake"sex or in U2's case 3 concerts in Amsterdam
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OMG Kelly maybe you are right and it's time for me to move on...or the band has more likely)

It's like not being completely in love anymore in a relationship. Oh well at least you can have some "for good old times sake"sex or in U2's case 3 concerts in Amsterdam
I meant to say:
OMG Kelly maybe you are right and it's time for me to move on...or the band has lost some of it's fire which is more likely)

It's like not being completely in love anymore in a relationship. Oh well at least you can have some "for good old times sake"sex or in U2's case 3 concerts in Amsterdam
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I meant to say:
OMG Kelly maybe you are right and it's time for me to move on...or the band has lost some of it's fire which is more likely)

It's like not being completely in love anymore in a relationship. Oh well at least you can have some "for good old times sake"sex or in U2's case 3 concerts in Amsterdam
Drunk again? But it's so early in the day.

Plus, why don't you reserve your judgement about how much "fire" the band has until after your 3 "good old times sex" concerts?
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I meant to say:
OMG Kelly maybe you are right and it's time for me to move on...or the band has lost some of it's fire which is more likely)

It's like not being completely in love anymore in a relationship. Oh well at least you can have some "for good old times sake"sex or in U2's case 3 concerts in Amsterdam
stop blaming the band for once. and look at yourself, whos to say you have been too see them too many times, and YOUR burned out, every single comment i see of your's is one that is a complaint, you only joint the discussons if they are part of a thread that is complaining,
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