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#KIWIMOFO# said:


Can I just say that everything I watched tonight is an affirmation of what I have always felt for Bono/the band since I was 6 years old.

I will continue to be excited about November as a fan of such wonderful music that has its own subjective meaning to me, with it pulling my emotions, challenging my thoughts and simply furnishing my emotions with sounds that I simply can't work out how to emulate.
I will also continue to do what little I can to push the causes that
we have been fortunate enough to come out of a group of people who encapsulate music and the right morals. (I say the right morals, cos like Bono I don't care about drugs/alcohol/sex/lies/videotapes I care
about the stuff that matters - people being treated with respect by everyone being fed, loved and cared for everywhere around this world).

#MOFO#

well said KiwiMofo. I'm glad your buddy taped the show for you. I watched it and taped it. I won't tire of watching it.
I've been a fan of U2 since my early 20's and they have never disappointed me. Once again I had that "proud aunt" feeling, to the point of being on the edge of my seat thinking...no, saying out loud "Bono love take your hand away from your mouth when you speak. You had something that didn't agree with you for lunch didn't you?" :eyebrow:
( methinks too much temptation with the good quality Australian food :up: ) and many more outrageous statements I won't share. Hub understands, he knows Bono is "the other man" :D I was quite touched when hub said after the interview "he spoke well didn't he?" Even he loves him. He also said "when you go to Ireland ,you better make it a Sunday...open house at Bono's" :yes:

It's been a big emotional week, unbelievable really. I wept when Bono related the story about the library in Sarajevo. I wish he had elaborated when he said "..everyone knows what I think about Australia...".

....he spoke well didn't he?

**prayers ascending for the U2 family**
 
martha said:
:heart: newbies who think they have Bono and his causes sussed but haven't done their homework :heart:

“The moral high ground is a great place to be”

Bono is a skilled magician with more charisma than anybody. He takes it as a personal challenge to get people onside but essentially he has the same message wherever he is. When people want love, it is easy to give it.
 
U2 fans on the whole are smart, smart people.

Few of us are under any illusion about who, or what, this band or this man are about.

You will not find resonable men on the tops of mountains.

We know that Bono has an agenda, we know he is a skilled manipulator, a fabulous magician. We know that we only know what he wants us to know (and fair enough) .... which is exactly why I had high hopes for the Denton interview... thought he might be able to get Bono to be a little more revealing of himself.

However, I do have to say, if you want to know Bono (and the rest of the band, to a somewhat lesser extent) you really only have to listen to the music.

If an interview with an agenda allows him to 'save' the creative energy and the blood and guts for the music, I think that sounds like a pretty fair exchange.
 
There's a large editorial in todays Daily Telegraph in Sydney by a journalist who was previously very skeptical of Bono, but was 'won over' by his Denton interview on Monday night. Didn't realise the depth of his knowledge, the work he's done etc. About half the article is her, as she says, "pulling her foot back out from her mouth", and the other half is then critiscising those celebrities who are not "spending their currency well", or looking to be seen spending it on causes, when in reality it's on themselves. The best part is the cartoon that accompanies it, of a seriously old and grumpy looking Bono dressed as a nun.
 
Earnie Shavers said:
There's a large editorial in todays Daily Telegraph in Sydney by a journalist who was previously very skeptical of Bono, but was 'won over' by his Denton interview on Monday night. Didn't realise the depth of his knowledge, the work he's done etc. About half the article is her, as she says, "pulling her foot back out from her mouth", and the other half is then critiscising those celebrities who are not "spending their currency well", or looking to be seen spending it on causes, when in reality it's on themselves. The best part is the cartoon that accompanies it, of a seriously old and grumpy looking Bono dressed as a nun.

Any chance of a scan of that please, from any of the Australian fans? :wave:
 
Never mind, I found the editorial. No pic, though. Thanks for the tip, Earnie Shavers!

Here's the link, and the article:

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,18465608-5001035,00.html

Bono shames stars who'll have nun of it


March 15, 2006

FAKE is one of the worst things you can call someone and the world of celebrity is certainly full of them.

Out of control egos, plastic appearances (literally with the help of cosmetic surgery) and concerts such as Live 8, which allow filthy-rich rock stars to give the impression they really do care about starving AIDS-infected Africans.

To be fair, some do, others use it just for the exposure.

Enter Bono, lead singer of "the world's greatest band", U2, and the butt of one of my favourite jokes:

What is the difference between God and Bono?




God doesn't think he's Bono.

Boom, kitish.

Then I watched his interview with Andrew Denton on Monday night's Enough Rope and in a manoeuvre that would make my yoga teacher proud I found myself pulling my foot out of my mouth.

Not all the way. Because in part he sounded like the well-briefed politician who, with the best spin doctors money can buy, could sell ice to the eskimos. However, for the most part he impressed.

Firstly, because of the lengths he has gone to, to educate himself about the battles he picks.

Not only does he command respect for the list of economists he has met -- and studied under -- in his bid to rid the world of Third World debt (mind you, they're not all believers in his endeavour), his comments on celebrity were impressive, considered and interesting.

"Celebrity is at ... [an] oppressive level and it's a pretty ridiculous thing if we're honest," he told Denton. "But it's currency, and I want to spend mine well."

Spend it he is. He has met George W. Bush, Mikhail Gorbachev, Pope John Paul II, Bill Clinton and his Treasury Secretary Robert Reuben, and former chairman of the US Federal Reserve bank Paul Volker in his quest to make a difference.

Yet as he name-drops he also talks GDP, avoidable malaria, TB and AIDS deaths, free trade and debt relief and he scatters it all with statistics.

I'm not saying they add up nor that his ideas will solve Africa's problems once and for all, but after listening to him I must admit the bloke deserves credit for being well informed.

Bono is, to steal his own phrase, spending his celebrity currency well.

But there are others cashing in on their celebrity for which nobody but themselves gets anything in return such as Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie, Anna Nicole Smith and Ozzy Osbourne's kids.

Pointless Paris for instance, who cannot claim to even entertain devotees of homemade porn. She's a constant on the red carpet, having achieved what to deserve an invite?

She is a trustafarian, whose occasional masquerades of altruism at a charity event are probably chosen by the label of French champagne which is being served.

Maybe it comes with age. After all, Bono is now 45 and readily admits that in his younger days he pretty much broke all the commandments and the ones he hasn't he has "probably wanted to".

That said, I doubt that when Paris turns 45 she will suddenly abandon vanity and adopt a love of humanity.

Then there are those whose use of their celebrity leaves them looking ill-informed and silly beyond belief, such as actors Sharon Stone, Toni Collette and Judy Davis.

In Stone's case her "celebrity currency" is currently being spent on a peace mission to Jersualem to help solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

"I would kiss just about anybody for peace in the Middle East," she said from there this week. I suppose she must have at least united both sides on one issue: The gross dislike of dumb actors.

In 2003 we saw Davis cashing in her celebrity currency to protest for peace outside the Prime Minister's house in Kirribilli but then again just a few weeks ago to stop -- no, not the war in Iraq -- young soccer players training at night across from her Birchgrove home. While her celebrity relies on the spotlight, she clearly doesn't like the floodlights these children need.

Which leads me to Collette and mulesing -- a procedure to prevent flystrike in sheep. One minute she is against it spending her celebrity to garner support against fashion labels using Australian wool, the next she is sending a letter to farmers saying she had changed her position after being presented with the facts.

Theirs are classic examples of why the currency of celebrity is easy to devalue.

Like him or loathe him, nobody can deny filthy-rich rock star Bono is getting cheques written and some cashed.

They may be just Band-Aids -- only temporarily healing the ills of Africa -- but even I have to admit he's persuasive.

And while many of his ill-informed fellow celebs continue to do bugger all, I'm happy to be persuaded.

anitaq@dailytelegraph.com.au
 
Earnie Shavers said:
Didn't realise the depth of his knowledge, the work he's done etc. About half the article is her, as she says, "pulling her foot back out from her mouth"

I know that I forget that others haven't heard the same thing over and over again; that some new folks are hearing it for the first time.
 
martha said:


I know that I forget that others haven't heard the same thing over and over again; that some new folks are hearing it for the first time.

I agree. It's all fine for the hardcore fans to moan that some of Andrew's questions have been asked before and Bono's repeating some stuff, but the majority of casual fans/newcomers who saw and appreciated the interview would not have known a lot of it. That was a fantastic article, thanks for the heads up Earnie :up:
 
Earnie Shavers said:
The best part is the cartoon that accompanies it, of a seriously old and grumpy looking Bono dressed as a nun.

:drool:

*mops brow*







:wink:
 
ruffian said:


:drool:

*mops brow*







:wink:

:lol:

If someone doesn't beat me to it (which I'm sure they will), I'll scan it as soon as I get home. We get the Telegraph and the Herald delivered but I didn't think to read either this morning.
 
martha said:


I know that I forget that others haven't heard the same thing over and over again; that some new folks are hearing it for the first time.

Particularly in Australia. Bono is interviewed on US tv, in magazines, newspapers etc every other week, but this was the first 'exclusive' Australian interview he's done in the best part of a decade (aside from album promo stuff), and it's a very high profile program that targets an audience way beyond his usual market. For probably 95% of that audience it was 100% new material.
 
No one doubts his commitment but I think even Bono is realising the more he gets into Debt Relief and saving Starving Africa, he harder it actually is.

The wide-eyed bushy tailed man with the worst mullet in Liver Aid 1 is gone and a man who understands the layers and layers of human indifference has taken his place.

Bono used to talk about saving the world but now he only talks about showing the world how it should be saved.

It doesn’t stop his enthusiasm but he realises the political situation of Africa means that the starving will never get their share no matter how big the pie is.
 
Bono in Sydney,

I have already asked a couple of times to keep this thread on topic. Yet you continue to bring up Debt Relief and Africa. Please take that subject to the appropriate thread.

Also, the owner of this board has sent you an email. You might want to respond to that.

Thanks.
 
Earnie Shavers said:
There's a large editorial in todays Daily Telegraph .... The best part is the cartoon that accompanies it, of a seriously old and grumpy looking Bono dressed as a nun.
Oh yes, post it please. As far as caricartures go I thought Zanetti captured a moment. I didn't like the content of his joke though.
Zanetti.jpg
 
:sad:
I just felt the need to poke my head in here and complain that I had patiently waited 20 hours for 64% or so of the file to download via my modem line and then it just seemed to get stuck on something, apparently "finish", and leave me an unplayable 260KB or somesuch file :sad:
Oh well, at least there's the transcript for me to read now! I hope that gives the feel if not the look...
cheers!
 
Yeah, in amongst the continual smoker's cough thing he had going on, :madspit: and that was when he wasn't bashing his mike on his jacket as he was waving his arms around.
 
timothius said:


No, I thought he was the assistant to the cofee maker for the soundman, who by chance works in the lighting department. He had pizza for dinner too. :up:

No, no, you're wrong there. He delivered the pizza, OK?
 
This thread might be getting padlocked very soon if this keeps up.

Seems to be the only way we can keep things in topic around here these days.

Yes BIS has made quite the contradictory/suspect posts, but you guys keep fueling her/him...

:sigh:
 
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