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Old 03-10-2006, 10:34 AM   #1
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Heavy Handed Moderating

I dunno if this is the place to mention this or if it's being discussed in another thread but I have to add that the moderating, especially by "Sicy" has become really oppressive in the last month or so. Her behavior especially in the thread(s) in regard to long time member "Axver" has been childish to say the least and on just about any of the dozens of other mailing lists and forums I'm on or run, that kind of person would lose their Moderator privileges right away for carrying on in such a fashion.

And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I've been here long enough and read enough "Axver''s" posts over the last year+ to know that while he's an opinionated douche (especially in his recent comments regarding the tour being postponed), he's still far from a troll. It just seems that because he regularly makes unpopular comments that irked some people, he's become an easy target. Also, in many cases, he and a few others like him that have been banned are goaded into arguments that devolve into pathetic flame wars. The simplest solution in most of these cases is to simply lock the thread after a warning or two.

That said, I think this forum needs to solicit for some new mods every so often not only to bring in some new perspectives but to limit what looks like power tripping by some mods in a few cases.

I also think that people who are offended by comments that are "offensive" should get a grip and realize not everyone shares the same feelings and opinions. Nobody is forcing anyone to reply to a comment, much less should anyone take any comment personally.

Frankly, the Interference forums are moving closer and closer to a very close-minded, overly sensitive bunch that borders on fascism. It's almost amusing that the official U2 site has a far more liberal and open minded policy toward varying opinions.

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Old 03-10-2006, 10:39 AM   #2
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So in your opinion just padlocking the hell out of any thread that receives an unheeded warning or two is not consired heavy moderating?
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While not making a comment on the overall message of the original post, one thing I do sort of agree with is maybe sometimes people on this board are a little over sensitive.

So anytime someone says something that's even a little offensive it gets reported to the mods, and then the mods have to try to do something or they will be accused of not doing their job. And that can cause a bit of "overmoderating."

I just think maybe Interference members as a whole could be better about solving problems amongst themselves as opposed to running to "mommy" (Sicy and the rest of the mods) anytime someone posts something you might not agree with.
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Funny, but I think it's the opposite. Sure, there are those that are over sensitive about things, but really, Sicy gives people here more than a fair chance, (I'm sure there are some who probably think she's too lenient at times).

With regards to the certain long time member mentioned, it's not about being a troll, or just being opinionated, but that a lot of his posts are just plain rude. He's probably received more warnings over the past several months than anyone. And he isn't "goaded" into these situations - he pretty much initiates them. That's why he's temporarily banned from that forum, and frankly, he should consider himself lucky that's all he got.

Consider what the mods have to deal with here. Put yourself in their shoes. We have quite the mix of people on this forum - I think they do as good a job as possible. I certainly don't envy them...
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Re: Heavy Handed Moderating

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Frankly, the Interference forums are moving closer and closer to a very close-minded, overly sensitive bunch that borders on fascism. It's almost amusing that the official U2 site has a far more liberal and open minded policy toward varying opinions.

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Well, I suggest if you believe this then maybe it's time for you to leave.

And to go along with what Chip said, if you have a problem with a person why not take it up with them instead of posting here?
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Old 03-10-2006, 11:17 AM   #6
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Re: Heavy Handed Moderating

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That said, I think this forum needs to solicit for some new mods every so often not only to bring in some new perspectives but to limit what looks like power tripping by some mods in a few cases.

I don't think there is a line of people wanting these volunteer positions. Particularly Sicy's job.
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There's a reason for that PM box.... If members have issues that go beyond what is discussed on the forum they can take it up with each other via PM. Starting threads singling out members/mods/whatever, can only hurt things.

As for Sicy and the other mods here, it's strictly volunteer work and 95% of the time (and that's being generous) it's a thankless job. You can't make all people happy all of the time, but they do the best they can, given the circumstances.
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Sicy's the best admin/mod this forum's ever seen... and that would hold true for most other forums too.

Being a mod is an incredibly stressful and relatively thankless task.

Trying to keep people in-line is hardly 'oppressive'.

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Old 03-10-2006, 11:54 AM   #9
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Re: Heavy Handed Moderating

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I dunno if this is the place to mention this or if it's being discussed in another thread but I have to add that the moderating, especially by "Sicy" has become really oppressive in the last month or so.
I'm sorry that you feel that way. The moderators as a whole try to do whatever we can to try to keep Interference running as smoothly and as an enjoyable and civil as possible.

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Her behavior especially in the thread(s) in regard to long time member "Axver" has been childish to say the least and on just about any of the dozens of other mailing lists and forums I'm on or run, that kind of person would lose their Moderator privileges right away for carrying on in such a fashion.
It is unfair that you are singling out Sicy for what happened. The action of suspensions and bannings are carried out by Sicy and Elvis because they have administrative control, but such decisions are made through discussion by the mods in the non-public forum for the mods. It's not as if Sicy wakes up in the morning and says, "I think I'm gonna go ban [insert member name here] today."

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And before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I've been here long enough and read enough "Axver''s" posts over the last year+ to know that while he's an opinionated douche (especially in his recent comments regarding the tour being postponed), he's still far from a troll.
Calling Axver a "douche" is a personal attack, and that is not allowed here. Please refrain from such name-calling.

I don't consider Axver to be a troll, but he has been warned for the content of some of his posts, and those warnings seem to have been ignored.

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It just seems that because he regularly makes unpopular comments that irked some people, he's become an easy target.


There's a difference between "unpopular comments" and being rude and not listening to the warnings given by mods. He wasn't an "easy target"...he was breaking the rules.

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Also, in many cases, he and a few others like him that have been banned are goaded into arguments that devolve into pathetic flame wars.
Saying that people get "goaded into arguments" is no excuse. You don't have to let what other people say cause you to lash out and break the rules as well. Somebody could post that, "Bonochick is an ugly bitch", but that gives me no right to, for example, reply to say that that person is a douche.

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The simplest solution in most of these cases is to simply lock the thread after a warning or two.
If we did that, then people would be up in arms about the lock-happy mods. Besides, it's a shame to kill a discussion just because of a couple bad apples. That's why I try to refrain from closing a thread with actual discussion going on just because of a couple people breaking rules.

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That said, I think this forum needs to solicit for some new mods every so often not only to bring in some new perspectives but to limit what looks like power tripping by some mods in a few cases.
What feel "looks like power tripping" is simply us trying to do our jobs. I wouldn't be opposed to additional mods, but I think there's nothing wrong with the team we have right now.

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I also think that people who are offended by comments that are "offensive" should get a grip and realize not everyone shares the same feelings and opinions.
To me, it's not a matter of offending members...it's a matter of members being treated with respect.

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Nobody is forcing anyone to reply to a comment, much less should anyone take any comment personally.
I will agree with you on that. Nobody has to reply to anything...nobody even has to be here. However, if somebody is being rude and breaking the rules, a moderator needs to take care of it, so it's good for posts like that to be reported.[/B][/QUOTE]

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Frankly, the Interference forums are moving closer and closer to a very close-minded, overly sensitive bunch that borders on fascism.
I think people here are very open-minded, actually. As for being "overly sensitive"...like I said before...it's a matter of respect.[/B[/QUOTE]

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It's almost amusing that the official U2 site has a far more liberal and open minded policy toward varying opinions.
While I don't want to chase anybody away, if you truly are unhappy with Interference and feel that the official site is more to your liking...you could always just go there. I hope you at least understand where I am coming from.[/B][/QUOTE]

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This is really shitty. You could have taken any of these concerns directly to Elvis or to Sicy herself but calling her out in public is just inviting people to pile it on.

And like redkat said, there won't be a long line of volunteers waiting to be mods, unless your idea of fun is a thankless job where you are always the bad guy.
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Quote - "It's almost amusing that the official U2 site has a far more liberal and open minded policy toward varying opinions."




Then we know where we can find you, goodbye.

Sicy is the BEST moderator, followed by many others of her caliber, on any board of which I've ever been connected...you're talking out your ass with your comments.
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you're talking out your ass with your comments.
I don't agree with his post either, but...be nice! You don't want me to lay the BC hurt on you, do ya?
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Old 03-10-2006, 12:38 PM   #13
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Well, I suggest if you believe this then maybe it's time for you to leave.

I don't think so.

And to go along with what Chip said, if you have a problem with a person why not take it up with them instead of posting here?
Did I say that I had a "problem" with any one particular individual? I used the Sicy/Axver recent issues as an example, that's all.

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You know, you could have emailed me or Elvis, the board owner with you concerns. I find it very disrespectful that you take one incident and publicly crucify me for it.

The mods here are very diplomatic and as patient as they possibly can be with people here. When you address someone over and over and over again for their problematic posts and they completely ignore you and continue to carry on what do YOU suggest we do? We are also human beings not robots and finally get to a point where we are so frustrated and stressed out we can lose our cool. This does not happen very often and if you were around enough and payed enough attention you'd see this. The mods and I have have posted warnings over and over and over again in the threads that you are referring to and yet they are completely ignored. Did I say Axver was a troll? Never. But he is a problem. And when we have to hear complaints about how rude he is to others on a daily basis there comes a point where we cannot continue to just 'warn' him because obviously its doing no good.

It's really very simple. We have rules here, you agreed to them when you registered, whether you remember or not. The rules need to be followed and when they are broken you have to take responsibility for your actions and suffer the consequences.

I feel I am more than fair with the members here and its very rare that I or the mods get a 'thank you for everything you do here' no, we just get bitched at for doing our job.
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So anytime someone says something that's even a little offensive it gets reported to the mods, and then the mods have to try to do something or they will be accused of not doing their job. And that can cause a bit of "overmoderating."
Yes, but the thing is that some people (and I'm not thinking of anyone in particular here) are deliberately trying to get a rise out of other people by insulting them here and there (and very often it's targeted at people that they for some reason dislike), the other person feels obliged to respond and then a regular fight breaks out (exactly what the former person wanted).

I think the mods in general are doing a pretty good job, but if I was to make a suggestion I would say that a little more analysis perhaps could be done - to reveal and catch the persons that are deliberately trying to offend other members all the time.
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