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Old 12-11-2004, 05:49 PM   #16
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It's not that easy, I have tried, but certain comments and cliche's eat at me like 'chicken' did Marty McFly. But that's FYM.

As far as the trolling and bashing being done in EYKIW, that really should stop.



Easy to say, but even if me and you don't answer, it's inevitable someone will. The thing that gets me is the negativity drags the forum down. It would be good to have a rest from certain topics. Perhaps those who hate an album so much they can't shut up about it can profess their hatred in their sig or location so we'll always know and spare us the rhetoric in the threads.

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I really don't get the whole "we don't want eternal praise of the band" thing that keeps coming up in these debates. That is unrealistic and you know it. I would imagine though, that most of us come here to talk about things we like about the band - after all, being fans probably means we, in essence, enjoy their work. If I wanted to mouth off on U2, I really don't see why a fan site would be SUCH a great place to do it.
I don't think either of you quite get that people -- fans -- can absolutely adore a band, yet really dislike a particular album (or series of albums). They can still be a fan of that band...they just don't have to love everything about them. They should be able to voice their disapproval. As other people mentioned before -- you do not have to read it (or respond to it). Where else are people who like U2, but don't really like one or more of their albums going to discuss their disappointment? And what you call constant bashing I call discussing.

I do agree that no one should call themselves a "better fan" because they like the 90's U2 the most (I don't care for their output during that time myself), but I also don't think that someone who loves everything the band has ever done is a "better fan" either. A troll exists solely to cause problems -- the people you mentioned might focus on aspects of U2's music they dislike, but their views are no less valid than those of a person who focuses only on the things they love in the music. I like reading all the views, not just the gushingly positive ones. Why should you get to tell me I can't read those anymore? What makes you better?

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If we get constantly beat up over this, why don't they too? There has to be opposition on both sides.
If everyone did what you say and ignored them, that wouldn't make them stop - they would continue and think they're right.
Well, you are. I read the threads (even though I often chose not to respond). You always tell them they are wrong. So...where is the problem? They say you are wrong -- you tell them they are wrong. You specifically mentioned three people (in the thread here which was closed), and there are two of you who are really miffed about it. Seems pretty even to me.
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Old 12-11-2004, 09:53 PM   #17
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:Also, to Khanada, the mod who closed U2girl's thread: do you remember back in the days when Pop was regulary bashed on the forum, and you were the very first person to say 'enough already, we know, we know, it's old already, just shut up' So why is it okay for those who bash the new albums to do it over and over again? Shouldn't it go both ways, in all fairness?
- i didn't close the thread.
- as i said in U2girl's thread, if you have a problem with a member or mod, you take it up with them in PRIVATE. if you disagree with why a thread is closed, you ask a mod in private.

but to answer your question, as you said, that was "back in the day." people's opinions changed and i realized that people can express their opinions if they like. if someone wants to start a thread saying they think an album sucks, fine. but starting up a thread JUST to call out a couple members or a member of the band? that's so not cool it's not even funny. interference is not a platform to call out or bash anyone. i don't care if it's someone most members think is a villian of sorts, like henry rollins. it's just not something that should be done.
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And what you call constant bashing I call discussing.
When it reaches the point of beating a dead horse and saying the same thing over and over and bringing it up over and over, it's bashing and trolling.
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I don't think either of you quite get that people -- fans -- can absolutely adore a band, yet really dislike a particular album (or series of albums). They can still be a fan of that band...they just don't have to love everything about them. They should be able to voice their disapproval. As other people mentioned before -- you do not have to read it (or respond to it). Where else are people who like U2, but don't really like one or more of their albums going to discuss their disappointment? And what you call constant bashing I call discussing.

I do agree that no one should call themselves a "better fan" because they like the 90's U2 the most (I don't care for their output during that time myself), but I also don't think that someone who loves everything the band has ever done is a "better fan" either. A troll exists solely to cause problems -- the people you mentioned might focus on aspects of U2's music they dislike, but their views are no less valid than those of a person who focuses only on the things they love in the music. I like reading all the views, not just the gushingly positive ones. Why should you get to tell me I can't read those anymore? What makes you better?



Well, you are. I read the threads (even though I often chose not to respond). You always tell them they are wrong. So...where is the problem? They say you are wrong -- you tell them they are wrong. You specifically mentioned three people (in the thread here which was closed), and there are two of you who are really miffed about it. Seems pretty even to me.
I really don't think you get it.

Tell me which of the following was discussion:

- saying, as if it is a matter of fact, that ATYCLB and/or HTDAAB are crap albums somehow unworthy of U2

- calling people who liked those album sheeps and blind followers

- claiming 90's U2 fans are "real" fans

- verbally attacking those who defended those albums, and those who mention dislike for 90's albums

- entering into several threads all over EYKIW and Where the album has a name just to make sure ATYCLB/HTDAAB is bashed into the ground

- not really contributing much constructive to the forum other than focusing on the supposed "bad" albums and "bad" U2

- bashing everything since 2000, two studio albums and the second Best of (remixes from Pop): the music, Bono's lyrics and voice, the production ...

- posting band quotes and then misleadingly interpret them, as well as posting false sales numbers of albums

I think it has been already explained what the problem was. It's not even close to being even, too.


If my closed thread was bashing, we can close EYKIW and FYM right now.
I did post in their threads, if only to add some balance to their "doom and gloom" view of the band (I really don't think anyone who liked ATYCLB/HTDAAB can reason with them). I can't email them or PM them because I'm not a premium member (which doesn't allow me to contact mods in private. how am I suposed to know which one closed the thread ??).

I posted this because I was under the impression mods can help out when there is a problem among members. I also gave those thread names as examples of their behaviour, which was, I thought, the kind of behaviour not allowed here. Do mods not deal with inapropriate behaviour?

(calling out members? perhaps you'd like to see what one of them posted about me in a EYKIW thread)
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Thanks for the list, U2girl, it's all that and more, including personal attacks and insults on the intellect of those who like the 2000's albums better than Pop and Zooropa (again, many times) It's very frustrating to me that Indra does not understand what we're trying to say and is bashing us!

Indra, I am not saying no one should ever say anything negative about the band or express a dislike for something. I have even done it myself, recently bashing the Discotheque video and Crumbs From Your Table. It's much worse, deeper, and older than you could possibly image. Believe me, U2girl's list is right!
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Thanks for your input, criticism, suggestions, etc etc.

BostonAnne, AH, paxetaurora, and Khanada made excellent points... which should be seriously taken to heart and considered.

I'm closing this thread. In the future, if you find a post that violates the rules/faq.... report it. The moderators will then decide what to do with it. Thanks.

As a side note, I know that if I posted more often... I'd be bashing/criticising U2's more recent efforts as well. I'm a fan of the late 80s/90s... so I know where people are coming from. Personally, I have better things to do than bitch in public, and Id rather use that energy in more positive ways. What I have noticed recently is that both on this forum and zootopia is that many fans are not completely satisfied with U2 in recent/current times. In the last decade of being involved with U2 online I do not recall another time where so many people were so vocal about their dislikes. This could be a result just due to numbers... more people online, more people whining, seems like a lot more... or it could really be that a lot of truly fans arent thrilled with U2 anymore.
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