Russian/Irish U2ers

[whiteflag]

Ohhhhhh so many posts so little time

I love Interference but it wears me out replying madly to so many great posts.

thank you Aine. I wish I were that interesting. But that doesn't mean that i'm not working on changing that! I see myself as very much a work in progress. Give me some quality time in Europe ( maybe hanging with good u2 fan friends?) and i think i'll be much better. I have alot to learn still. I've only been out of my country twice, once to Mexico once to Dublin where I got the europe fever by the way. Theres a whole world out there outside of America, most of it is outside of America.

But i'll say one thing, I admire alot of things about Ireland and Europe. First there are the radio stations. Everything is played, not just one very narrow slice. Then there are all these great cultures rubbing shoulders when the USA is so isolated. There is the lack of crime in the way that i know it. And no death penalty and nooooooo george bush jr. (lowercase is on purpose) I'm looking forward to visiting amazing museums and churches, all kinds of things. Man, europe is where its at.

Of course I'll return to the US eventually because there really is no place like home. but right now all I want to do is get outta here and make friends all over the world like i've always wanted to.

Other than that I really don't know what to say about myself. What do you want to know, Aine?

I think all of us on this thread should exchange email addresses. what do you guys think. i'd love to hear from you all.

 

[Aine]

Hi Mazz!As the topic starter I can assure you
that every Scottish person is welcome here.
By the way,I love Scottish fairy tales !

 

[zoomerang II]

Brian,
as you reminded me...

Listen OVER sounds of blades in rotation
Listen THROUGH the traffic in circulation
Listen AS HOPE AND PEACE TRY TO RHYME
Listen OVER marching bands playing out their time
WAKE UP DEAD MAN

have you worked out Aine's knowledge of the irish language yet? ..I haven't!

 

[MrBTH]

AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

I had just written areally long post and my connection reset and I lost the whole damn thing!!!!!!!!!!! I am now incredibly angry because I have shelled out for this free internet service and it's always doing stupid things like this to me!!!!!!

I'll try to repeat my epic post later...

Slan!
BRIAN

 

[mazz]

glad i am welcome here sorry I am not a little fairy though.

but i do know alot of tales
lots of love mazz

 

[MrBTH]

Hi Mazz! Im Irish but I'm living in Dundee, Where are you living?

Thank God Elvis has removed all trace of the crap that was going on yesterday. Can you believe that some people would take the time out to perpetrate such unbelievable bollocks! Obviously some mental instability there, and obviously white trash of the worst kind -probably only about 14 or 15 too. What is the world coming to???

 

[Alisaura]

Is it just me or do lots of people want to be Irish, even if they're not?

What's the attraction? I have a friend who was born in England, but told everyone she was born in Ireland, and sometimes I catch myself thinking that with both halves of my family coming from England, there's bound to be a *little* bit of Irish blood in me, somewhere.... One little corpuscle called O'Malley or something, that's all I want... *L*
Hey, my paternal family came from Cornwall... there were celts there, right??

(is this way off topic? sorry... just seemed like an appropriate place.)

 

[MrBTH]

Well, I just got over the annoyance of loosing that last message I was going on about, so I'll try again, shall I!

In answer to your question Alisaura, and just in case anyone else is wondering what the hell I'm on about, Sean Nos is a very old, traditional singing style in Ireland. It is usually unaccompanied, with just a single voice, although instrumental backing can sound pretty amazing. Basically it involves expressing a story through song, all the emotion and feeling coming through in the way that the song is sung. Notes can be bent, phrasing manipulated, tonalities compressed and stretched... sometimes within a single word! It's interesting to listen to it being done proplerly, not just because it can be very moving but also to admire the versatility of the human voice. The thing about it is, you can either do it or you can't. It has to come naturally. I have a fairly good voice for it, but I find it really hard to get time to learn songs. The songs are usually quite sad, about emigration or the famine etc... but the tunes tend to be amazing. I aspire to being as good as my Grandfather, but I doubt it will ever happen...

This sort of ties in with the question about Irishness. I think the fact that at the moment Ireland as a whole is very in touch with it's culture and traditions, whilst simultaneously being dynamic and forward thinking, is attractive to others. there's also a new confidence amongst young people in Ireland, a pride in what they are that had previously been buried under poverty and unemployment and the constraints of a conservative society. And it's great because a lot of the old cliches about Irish people as a whole are true. Friendliness, openness, generosity, the "craic". It all actually exists in abundance in the towns and cities and throughout the countryside of Ireland...
(I'm sounding a bit like and advertisment now, but it is true!)

Oh, and Aine! The fact that the answer is "VERY simple" is of no help to me! All I can suggest is that you are actually Irish and are pretending to be Russian!

And Whiteflag! I'm serious! Come over here any time and you will be made welcome! I know you have been to Dublin already, but if you ever get the time and money I'd love to show you around the rest of Ireland and Scotland! That offer goes to everyone by the way!

Oh, and one more thing... What do you think of the title suggestions. I'm now convinced about "All That You Can't Leave Behind"... Do you think I'm reading too much into it??

Probably!

And Zooropamanda! I have no Idea what you said to me! I know I should but I just can't remember what it means!!

Bye!
BRIAN

 

[zooropamanda]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

Ask an Irish man something in Irish and he asks for it in English? Now theres an oxymoron.

I said...

Hello I'm Zooropamanda.
Do you drink beer?
Happy Birthday Mr BTH
...please tell me you know what Slainte means. Im not gonna even ask! Thats just silly

Being an Aussie who was in Ireland, I saw just what you talk of, Mr BTH. That whole Celtic Tiger thing was very much the topic of conversation when I was there.
irish people ahve had that feeling of oppression for so long that it is about time they felt proud of their wonderful heritage.
I had, I guess a cliched view of what Ireland would be like, and in the little towns I was pretty right. But I was blown away by Dublin. QUite shocked actually.

Being froma big city myself I didnt think Id be taken aback by little ole Dublin, but I was. It is so cosmopolitan and the people are majorly on the move. I felt like little hick Annie trying to fight all the people traffic!!
ANd why dont they stop at the crossings? ha ha NOBODY stops at the lights to cross the street!
But then if cars are coming, they dont slow down, just run right over 20 people crossing when they shouldnt be!

Ahhhh, Dublin, I miss you so.

 

[Aine]

O-o-o-o-oh,Brian !!!

I was so impressed by your last post that I even forgot to say "Hello".
Firstly,your suggestion about me being Irish
pretending Russian is a brilliant guess,even
though it is not right:I am Russian all the same !
Secondly,if you want to know where my Irish
language comes from,go to,for instance, www.ceantar.org ,or to www.inac.org ,or www.irelandbynet.com(the article"Irish
Language")and then tell meo you think one
needs "A"level in Irish to write what I have
written so far?
However,the story with my knowledge of the
Irish culture(including Sean Nos) is different,for I have had the Internet access only since 2000 and my interest in Celtic world began about six years ago.
I really loved your epic.I know some Russian
people who visited Ireland or just met the
Irish,and they all were fascinated and had
fraternal feelings towards the Irish.Surely,
if I could afford it,I'd go to Ireland right now.And I'm sure that when you make it to Russia,you'll love its people,too.

Mazz,it's a pity you are not a fairy, because
if you were, you could do something about those wicked trolls, using your magic skills!
(By the way,Brian,do you know that when you
curse you attract evil spirits ?)Well,but you
said you were not a little fairy - then maybe
you're a big one? And you can tell tales in
front of a fireplace,can't you ?

Whiteflag,I must tell you that visiting Dublin and Mexico is great.The only place left for you to visit is St.Petersburg!(I'm
kidding:there's a whole world to explore).I myself have only been to France.I'd love to
know some more about you,say,what are you
studying,what do you do and so on ?

Yes,Alisaura,there were Celts there and they
spoke their own Cornish language which became obsolete by the end of the 18 century.

I've been missing you all this week and I'm
eager to hear from you all !

Slan go foill

 

[whiteflag]

Im still here everyone. I was worried that this thread had died

...

But I bit off quite alot when I asked for peoples email addresses in another thread. I must mail the kind lovely and interesting people who gave me theirs tonight and then i'll post some more on this topic.

But to answer your question Aine. I'm studying anthropology but right now I'm not in school. Ffirst I'm going to Ireland then I'm going to move somewhere else in the US probably Seattle, then I'll go back to school. I'm starting to halfway miss it.

Now back to writing those emails.

 

[zoomerang II]

well everyone I have been ill (stuck in a moment Id rather forget) but now I am better so hello world again. All I can say is beware phantom foods in work fridges. I think I shall stick to the Guiness for my daily nutrient intake from now on.

Brian, I am in Edinburgh next w/e for the fringe festival. Will you be around? Otherwise, I am up in Falkirk later in the month for work.

 

[MrBTH]

Ha! It would have to happen!
I'm at home in Ireland right now for a few weeks holiday. I'm back in Dundee on Sat 2nd Sept, but I suppose that will be much too late!
BTW Whiteflag, thanks for the mail! I'm getting round to answering I promise! When will you be in Dublin??? Im planning to go over for a break towards the end of september...!
Apart from that I'm just chilling out at home here... quite boring actually and I can't stay on the net for too long either because it costs a fortune!
Bye!
BRIAN

 

[zoomerang II]

Brian stupid of me I should have known, summer break etc. What do you think of Dundee as a place to live? Its a shame Prince willey is down the road!!!

Anyway, good work on All That You Can't Leave Behind. I am more than happy with that title. Its funny you are worried about internet access after posting so many replies?? (or was that it a uni rort?)

Alisaura I used to live in Plymouth and met many Cornish workers. They are a motly bunch of fiercely independent tin miners!!!
I heard that although there was never a written cornish language, there are still some really old people who try and speak it a little. I was also told that people from Brittany and Cornwall can understand each other from such similar accents, even though they are speaking French/English??? Cornwall is absolutely beautiful, full of surfy beaches and rich london'ers on holiday (not so good according to the locals), so basically you should go there.

 

[mazz]

hi

 

[mazz]

I am very good at dealing with trolls got four of them at home. Let me know if who needs to be fairy dusted away and I will wave my magic wand

 

[whiteflag]

Mr. BTH, We might just miss each other. Depends. I hope not. I'll be coming in around the 1st or 2nd of Oct. I've got a Radiohead concert in a great big bloody tent to see

Then I'm going to be in Dublin still when the new album from U2 goes on sale. I'm actually going to buy my copy in Dublin. EEEEEEEEKKK!!!!


Sorry that fact just hit me full strength

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There is but one flag...

 

[Alisaura]

Miners eh? Maybe me doing a geology degree wasn't a random act of fate after all... minin's in me blood, by crikey!

I fully intend to visit Cornwall, zoomerang... one day... Heck, I might have already been there for all I know, but I don't remember... my parents took me to England when I was three... good in some way, but in others their timing SUCKED... Oh well.
That is so cool whiteflag...

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"Frisbetarians believe that when they die their soul goes up on the roof and they can't get it down."
-Bono

 

[zoomerang II]

Ali,

please DO NOT tell me that you are doing a geology degree in melbourne - that's what I did!!!!!

Are you at melbourne, monash or latrobe? I was at melbourne (actually I should say I was predominantly at the Clyde Hotel), but if you are there doing paleontology, you would know Malcolm?

I swear this post just keeps getting stranger for me....

 

[Alisaura]

Sorry ZoomerangII, but I AM doing a geology degree in Melbourne!! I'm at Monash actually, but I've heard of Malcom... rings a bell anyway. I probably saw his name around at the Melb. uni open day some years ago... The palaeo person at Monash is Pat Vickers-Rich.
I've finished all the geology subjects now, I'm just doing a 3rd year biol subject to fill up on points so I can graduate. (yay!)
What sort of geol. were you doing?
*points at the 'Melbourne calling' topic* Wanna get together to talk U2 AND rocks?

[This message has been edited by Alisaura (edited 08-22-2000).]

 

[MrBTH]

No no! I want to hear about U2 AND rocks right here!!!

This has been a bizarre topic with loads of wierd coincidences happening. I just found out that Mazz is from Perth which is about 20 miles from where I live in Dundee...!!

In Dundee I have one of those unmetered connections to the 'net. It cost ?50 for the year's access and it's working pretty good. Here at home though I'm just on the usual phone bill connection which my parents won't be too pleased about!

BTW, Aine, saw those sites you were talking about! Pretty amazing... I didn't even know that kind of thing existed! But still, you must be heavily into Ireland to have absorbed any of it!! How did the interest start? Do you like Irish music... Planxty, Christy Moore, Donal Lunny, Deanta, The Bothy Band, Iarla O'Liannaird, etc etc! I could reccomend a few if you like!

And Whiteflag, we will miss each other. i start back in college on Oct 7th, but I have to be back from Dublin before the 28th of Sept because, guess what, I'm going to see radiohead in their bloody great tent in Glasgow!! Twice!! How keen is that??? But I must say I would soo much rather be seeing them in Dublin... Irish crowds are so much better!! (oh, controversy!!)

And I must say. I really am starting to like Dundee! I have been in the city for three years and I honestly hated every minute of it!! I couldn't wait to get home, no matter how good a time I'd be having with my mates. But now, having worked with some "real" people in Dundee ie, not just students, Im starting to feel a sense of belonging. And I have a new flatmate, an old friend who I hadn't really known too well. And we get along so well, it's unbelievable! So for the first time I'm actually dying to get back to Dundee!! Quite a nice feeling since the next time I'll be home is at Christmas...

And poor Prince Willie! I really pity him having to go to St. Andrews!! Pretty little town and all, and plenty of nice people there... But such a lot of rich, spoilt, idiotic brats go there. And it is unbelievably dull. Dundee is bad for nights out etc, but multiply that x10 for St. Andrews!!!

Haven't been to Falkirk though... Maybe I'm due a visit!!??

Well, thats enough for now. I really should do some e-mailing but I'm so tired!

Bye!
BRIAN

 

[MrBTH]

hey mazz! You must admit that it isn't the most exciting of places! And it does seem to attract a disproportionate ammount of toffee-nosed high society brats in expensive cars. It's a fairly recent phenomenon too.

However, as I live in Dundee I dont really have room to talk about places being dull! Do I??!!

What's Perth like for a night out. I hear it has some good clubs, but I have never actually set foot in it, just passed through on the bus! Have you ever been to the new Arts Centre in Dundee? I work there so if you have I've probably seen you before. As a U2 fan you should have come to see Million Dollar Hotel!

 

[mazz]

Hey St Andrews is not all that bad I was born there.

 

[mazz]

Sorry Mr Blyth dont drink in Perth that much but do a lot in Edinburgh, Grass market is ok there a few clubs open from 5 til 5 if you can last the pace. Dublin has a load of good places just love it when the bar is supposed to close and they just pull the shutters down and you just go on drinking Ah to be in Dublin again I love the place that much I think i should just move out there.(if only maybe someday)

 

[Aine]

Sorry to hear you were ill,Michael.Hope you
are better now.

How nice,Mazz!I have two little faires in a
honey-jar and I'll be pleased if you make them talk!Can you?

Whiteflag,I forgot to tell you one very important thingo you know that you are a bit Irish because you live in Greater Ireland ?

And Brian! Yes,I will be VERY grateful if you
tell me some more about Irish Traditional music,especially about that which you like yourself.And it's so nice you began your list
with Planxty and Christy Moore,because it was the first Irish music I ever heard :
actually it was "Follow Me Up to Carlow".I also listened to Silly Wizard - I heard they are from Scotland? And Steeleye Span,and Clannad,and the Dubliners,and Chieftains,and the Blarney Lads,and Waxies Dargle,and Ewan and Kirsty MacColl,and Shane MacGowan,and...
And I'm afraid you're going to say I mixed everything up!!But that's how it is.
By the way, what is your grandfather's name?Do you think I might have heard it?and how is your progress with his CD?
And you are so mysterious!I see that everybody's trying to catch you either in
Scotland or in Ireland and they seem to miss
you!
Ah,I still have not answered your question about how it all started...But it is already
a long post and the story is even a little
longer.Well,I can send you an e-mail - will
you wait a little bit?

LOL,
Aine

 

[Aine]

Sorry to hear you were ill,Michael.Hope you
are better now.

How nice,Mazz!I have two little faires in a
honey-jar and I'll be pleased if you make them talk!Can you?

Whiteflag,I forgot to tell you one very important thingo you know that you are a bit Irish because you live in Greater Ireland ?

And Brian! Yes,I will be VERY grateful if you
tell me some more about Irish Traditional music,especially about that which you like yourself.And it's so nice you began your list
with Planxty and Christy Moore,because it was the first Irish music I ever heard :
actually it was "Follow Me Up to Carlow".I also listened to Silly Wizard - I heard they are from Scotland? And Steeleye Span,and Clannad,and the Dubliners,and Chieftains,and the Blarney Lads,and Waxies Dargle,and Ewan and Kirsty MacColl,and Shane MacGowan,and...
And I'm afraid you're going to say I mixed everything up!!But that's how it is.
By the way, what is your grandfather's name?Do you think I might have heard it?and how is your progress with his CD?
And you are so mysterious!I see that everybody's trying to catch you either in
Scotland or in Ireland and they seem to miss
you!
Ah,I still have not answered your question about how it all started...But it is already
a long post and the story is even a little
longer.Well,I can send you an e-mail - will
you wait a little bit?

LOL,
Aine

 

[Aine]

No-o-o...Why do these posts tend to multiply
I wonder?!!!Surely faires chose this topic to
play tricks on people.MAZZ,that's where your
specialist advice is absolutely necessary!

 

[whiteflag]

Hello everyone,

I'm still hanging around and still waiting for some people to email me. Ahem! You know who you are. I will understand if youre busy, hey I get that way too, but I don't have to be happy about it do I?

..
Hey Brian, any chance you might be back around Halloween? Maybe the holidays? If things go right I should be still in Dublin up until Christmas time. There just that pesky matter of the work permit/visa. But I'm diligently working on it, exploring all the angles. Maybe I should just apply for EU citizenship...hmmmmmmm

Does anyone here from Ireland know of anyone from America that has sucessfully aquired a work permit? How is it done generally. Is it possible to get one even if you don't have a skill?
Aine, if you're reading this, an email is on the way. Slowly but surely...You too, Alisaura. I've had a heck of a week.
Oh, Aine. What does that mean? Greater Ireland?
And to all you U2 Irish folks, do you know if U2 are more visible in Dublin around the time of an album release or less so? I'd love think I might have a greater chance of some U2 spotting when I go

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There is but one flag...

 

[zoomerang II]

Whiteflag,

if you want to go to Ireland and work, there are a huge number of jobs available, especially in IT around dublin.

To get a work permit, check out the "Work" section in Lonely Planet - get the book on Ireland, its really good, otherwise check out www.lonely-planet.com.

If you have a grandparent born in Ireland (like me), you are actually most likely eligible for Irish citizenship. And if you are under 28 (i think) non eu commonwealth countries and the usa i think can get a one year working holiday type of visa.

 

[Aine]

Whiteflag,

"We have our Greater Ireland beyond the sea",
it is America.It was often called so at least
in the 19th century because the Irish community there was (and is) so big.

Now that you have so much information have you made up your mind yet ?