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Old 07-21-2000, 09:30 AM   #1
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hey tomtom welcome back man,I was really happy to see your post.I guess you'll be regular from now on,atlest tell me your status.Ok
by the wat did ya read my article on the songs you asked if not I can post it again,if you want me to.I'm really excited now can't wait for the first single.
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Old 07-21-2000, 05:35 PM   #2
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are bhaiyya inho ne pichleee bar topic hee delete kar diya,is bar jawab de dena mere bhai, na dena ho to woh bhi bata dena,kam se akm main intezaar to nahin karoonga.
By the way how bout ur admission an all???
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Yo ishkash.I cannot tell you how sorry I am for not replying to you for such a long time.I hope you will accept my apology.I am really very very very sorry.To make a long story short,my PC was completely busted.There was some internal malfunction and I couldnt get to Windows.So I couldnt get online for 2 weeks,apart from the odd small post I was able to make at a cybercafe.I should have told you then itself.I finally had to reformat my entire hard-disk as a last resort(all my MP3s-gone!!!!!!!!!!!!),and reinstall everything.So I'm back now.Once again,please accept my humble apology.

Anyway I still have to give you my take on the songs we were discussing.As well as...the new album!Which I will do later today(its 2:00 am in the morning right now and I jhave driving class tomorrow morning).

But you better be ready for some heavy hitting when I'm done!

By the way,I got the bootleg of ZOOMERANG-ZOO TV in Sydney yesterday!Its absolutely unbelievable!!!!I had actually won it in an auction on Ebay online when I was in th US 2 months ago.I wish I could send it to you.

Did you get the MDH OST yet?I saw the cassete in Rhythm House in Bombay for Rs.125 so you better get it!!!
One question to you.Would you like it if the songs on the new album are like TGBHF?

I will write very very soon.

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Old 07-24-2000, 09:13 AM   #4
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Hey c'mon man you're taking things pretty seriously,you're back I've forgotten all.Hey I knew some PC prob might have occured,actually this is my worst nightmare,you'll not believe how I treasure my mp3s I've done a double backup,hopefully it will come good in any undesirable situation.For M$H yeah I have asked my cousin in Delhi to get it for me,mofoman remember him,he'll be back in couple of weeks,but I've got GBHF and Stateless.
For the new album like GBHF,to be honest with ya no I'll not be happy,not that I liked the song its on my top5 list right now,but for the simple fact that band has been emphasizing that they're going for harder sound ever since popmart ended.Both Bono and Eno have said that Edge has taken out his electric guitar.So i'll be disappointed only cause of this that they haven't delivered what they promised.
On the other hand I was reading a story saying that all the people from record co. who have listened to the song are very excited and are jumping up and down.Well I think I've crossed that barrier of liking I think now I just want their album even if Adam is on lead vocals (Which will never happen)
And yes with that bootleg thing you've made me very jealous,but wait a min. I have a cousin in NYC,he's coming down in Oct so I've asked him to get as many U2 stuff as you can and forget about the bills I'll cover all.

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Hey ishkash.At the time of writing this,I am listening to Lemon live in Sydney,ZOO TV.

What do you use to back up your MP3's?Writable CD?Do you have a CD writer?How many MP3's do you have?What are your favourite live ones?Mine is WOWY live from Washington DC ZOO TV.After the normal studio version is over,they extend it.The chords played by the Edge are like arrows through your heart,searing.And then Bono sings 'We shine like stars in the summer night....',the emotion in his voice is unbelievable.

OK I would like to discuss some of the songs we were talking about.Here we go.

The Unforgettable Fire:Pure mood.The most moody,atmospheric song they've done,like all the songs on TUF are.Also very dark.This song just messes up my head,takes me to another time,another place(no pun intended).The climax with the violin and the bass is so powerful and dark.And all the instuments are played fuckingly brilliantly.That tinge on the Edges guitar in this song...so thick and awesome,man.The visual imagery in this song is superb.Mountains,seas,cities,lights,spinning wheels.Just a dark,surreal,abstract painting.

Lemon:Sad despair.I just feel like I'm swimming out into nothing when I listen to Lemon.All the songs on the Zooropa record have strong philosophical implications.You could base a religion on this album called Zooropaism,man. 'Midnight....is when the day begins'.It makes me question the validity of todays society.And its so emotional.Sad,sad,sad.He sings 'And I feel....like I'm drifting,driftnig,drifting from the shore..',and then he breaks down,he cant take it ny more,and sings that beautiful falsetto,with the piano and the voices in the background.I just feel like going away inside the song and living there to ,to look for her.'She's a dreamer,she's imagination'.Its so ambigous,so multi-interpretive.I know its about Bonos mother,but it can mean something different to anybody who listens to it.Its about wanting something that you need so badly,and looking for it,and how you feel without it,and how you feel how fucked up this world is.

MoFo:I didnt listen to this song that much until you mentioned that it was one of your favourites.Now its one of my favourite,thanks,man.Its like an extension of Lemon I feel,only more messed up and much darker.So hard and raw,touches the core of your emotion,but because of the way its performed,and the style(electronica and rock),it prevents any sort of softness from getting in.I dont know what I actually meant by this.It also shows the shallowness of people(looking for to savemy,save my soul,looking for to fill that God shaped hole).

With or Without You:I cant speak about this song.I tried to before on this forum,and found I could not.This song is what I am.It encompasses written language or words,theres no way to express what I feel for it.Just pure emotion.

Right now I've only written about these,because I am listening to these songs right now.I want to give some deeper thought to the other ones,and write about them when I feel I can express what I want to about them.

About admissions,well,counselling has yet to start.I'm in no hurry .All I care about is the new album!!

BTW I cant believe that you've seen Wings of Desire!!!I want to see that one SO BADLY!!!!!How and when did you see that?How did you find it?

You article about the songs was so SEXY!!!!!!I'm going to print it.Because it mirrors my own thoughts in so many ways.


ACHTUNG BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Lets Get Married,Lets Go to Vegas...... amazing how does he do this,I mean he can be a really,really intense persons yet have a modest viewtopia about it.I think this man has a profound stage presence,Paul Hewson was borned to be Bono.
Hey by the way thanks mate for this amazing piece of music,DC lifts it up.

I think U2 save their best for their Live performance I guess tats why they're one of the greatest bands of all time and greatest live band.I mean if I'm sitting in my room can have the experience of a concert what I else I need.But I would love to see the real thing,Its even better.

As for my Top Live U2 songs,here I go:

1) With Or Without You: The ZooTV version is mind blowing, like you I can't explain,I mean its beyond verbal limits,All I can say i'm breathing in this song.

2) Love Is Blindness: You've the ZooTV bootleg well I've almost all the songs from Zootv tour,except for trying to throw your arms around the world.As for this song its an amazing prayer,I think The Edge's guitar is the key,he has used not the most glamorous of solo's yet whatever he does captures the momment efficiently.Its like watching a serene river flow with subtle breeeze caressing your thoughts.Piano intro another brilliance.

3)Untill The End Of the World:"Is This Rock'n'Roll,Is this Rock'n'Roll" wow thats rock n roll U2 way,Bono brings amazing intensity to the song,but overall Larry is the unsung hero,he keeps the rhythm going very well without monotonous beats.The live version features what I think is called killer solo,whenever he goes solo he makes sure he nails it.

4)Mysterious Ways: I think again the best part begins where the actuall song should end,like the part which is not on the album, feats. an amazing piece of noise courtsey of one Mr.Edge,then as the prophet Fly takes over She moves must irritate me..... I really can't make out what he says.Oh it has that "arrow" affect you talk about.

5)Bad: Lovetown Tour version is excellent,I mean this is one of those things that makes me proud and I feel no shame in saying "yes I'm inspired by a rock star" again the best part comes when Bono sings Plaese to meet you I hope you know my name.

6)Last Night On Earth: I think the reason why I respect U2 so much is their eagerness to learn and improve,I know rock bands play same music ninght in night out for eternity,U2 on the other hand are ready to take up challenges and improve.Like some songs U2 can sing for eternity and yet we won't be bored but this band doesn't no easy way out.Keep it up guys. Well this song is such a example,tomtom I would recommend you to download POPMART Jo'burg ver from U2star.com,I mean if you think U2 can 't wham-ban just listen to this version,I mean esp the Mr.Edge again he gives the new tune as you call it "arrow" effect as on WOWY I mean it changes the whole arrangement,It make a very good song a great song,but whatever you do don't download anything from POPMART opening nights except for Staring At the Sun and meebe Mofo.

7)Running To Stand Still: I mean this band has "Balls" How on earth someone dare to change a song that much,I'm talking about ZOOTV ver.Adam's a-la heart beat riff,Edge's hardcore mellows Larry as always the ultimate rocker, and Yes Mistah MacPhisto Hallelujah!I tell you what it sends chill down my spine.

8)Desire: Again Mr.Mirrorball Man part is pretty special,I just hope you have this.In the end Bono speaks like Presidential candidate...I have a vision....I have a vision......Television.

9)Staring At the Sun:No particual reasons I just love the acoustic version.

10)Please:The reason is same the live version better than the studio ver,but I like that also.The Edge's guitar again scores a high and when Bono scroons like a mad hatter oh waaa re aaah....... it can really charge you up,by the way MTV awards version is excellent.I think all the POPMART version are very good.The live version manages to take the song to another level.

Close But No Cigar
Gone-relly really awsome
I Still haven't Found....- Well i think Bono's tenor like voice on the studio version is pretty special.
Streets-I think I like the Studio version more.

You must be wondering why I haven't mentioned Bullet The Blue Sky,well I tell you what its the Greatest U2 Live song I like all the versions,but with those mentioned above I think are much better when played live.Thats why I haven't mentioned New Years Day and Sunday Bloody Sunday,they all are good as any version.
Well i hope you also get Under A Blood Red Sky Live album,the songs are really amazing.

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Hey ishkash.What do you use to download your MP3s?I used to use Gozilla,but after reformatting my PC,I have downloaded Downloaded Downloasd Accelerator.It downloads comparatively much faster,but the problem is that it cannot download lots of MP3s like the ones on U2Star(my main source of MP3s).

So right now what albums/songs are you listening to.My case,its Unforgettable Fire and Zooropa.My discmans batteries are exhausted so I cant listen to other stuff I want to like Achtung,the Sydney concert,by the way it has Trying to Throw...and its BRILLIANT.Also MDH OST.Hey I do have Under a Blood Red Sky.What are your favourites on that?Myself Gloria,of course Eleven o Clock Tick Tock,I will Follow,and 40.

Hey,I will write to you about my favourite live MP3s/songs later today itself.Try to reply quickly right now.OK one more question to ask you.What was the FIRST song you ever downloaded,from where and how did you feel when you finally got to listen to it?

See you soon.
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Hey tomtom man,I'm a bit screwed y'kna it rained and when it rains in UP things get messed up, so the telphone line is down and the net is crawling,so i'll try tomorrow but if i'm unable the pls don't mind to drop me a mail.Actually I really look forward for ue thougts,I mean it,I guess you've no probs with that,however I like it up here,really makes thing exciting.

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Hey tomtom things are pretty normal as of now.
Hey As for my MP3 backup I just use plain and simple disk backup installed with Win98,I'm just hoping that will work.

My first MP3 was from zoonation.com and the song was none other than The Ground Beneath Her Feet,absolute gem and I'm very delighted and honored of sorts that it was my first choice.
Actually I waited a bit for a while to take internet connection untill I was absolutely sure that the service was absolutely perfect.Earlier I used to go to pops office or just friends y'kna but there was no point of downloading stuff on someone elses' hard disk.
I was elated to hear the GBHF it was like jumping up and down thing.The melody blew me off,I think I was wondering what will happen after POP sound wise and this song was awsome, a fucking brilliant song.But y'kna what I wasn't sure that this is the version which will appear on the M$H ost,I thought it was from that BBC session that they did.Excelent song and features in my top5(which ofcourse subject to change).

As for from Under A Blood Red Sky well........ Party Girl,see U2 had such a serious image in the 80s and they did this song that was absolutely kick-ass-funk.Its a sweet lill' lovely song I really love pa-ra-ra-ram-pa.Now I have a feeling that I like all the songs live but their is a undying desire now to watch U2 live.Well man what d'ya think that they'll drop by this time round.Actually they're planning on the POPmart itself but they thought that POPmart would be too much for India,price wise.

Right now I'm listening to everything from POP to War just trying to figure out whats the new album gonna sound like.K! tomtom man have ya heard any song from the Las Vegas Popmart.If ya ever get a chance just listen to Gone and in the end Bono sorta goes half rap which is actually sounds brilliantly.So I'm marking out Elevation if its anything like that it will blow man.
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Hey ishkash,sorry for the delay.

You know you had asked me why U2 is not popular here in India.Ok,I'll give you a simple example why.You know what my friends regard as a good rock song?Its my Life by Bon Jovi,you must have heard that song.All my friends think its great,that lousy bunch of crap.Tell me now,what can you do about such people.


For some reason though,I dont think U2 are that well known here at all.I mean till my friend from the USA introduced me to them last year,I had barely heard of them.In the sense that I knew them,that they were this rock band who had been around for a long time,and I had heard and liked IGWSHA from the City of Angels OST,and of course I had heard Discotheque in early 97,which was just when I got cable,by the way,and which also gave me the completely wrong idea about them.But it was like everybody knows The Beatles and Rolling Stones and Led Zep(to an extent),and GNR(which is total crap in MHO).But U2?People are like,yes I've heard the name somewhere,but who are they actually?Thinking back,how could this happen with the greatest band ever?Why do people know who Bryan Adams(dont tell me you like him) and Bon Jovi of all the artists are,and know their songs by heart,but know nothing about U2,which is undeniably realms above?Theres definitely something wrong with this world.


Yes I heard the Beautiful Day clip.It was like 8 in the night,I logged on to Interference.com,usually I click stop really fast,because I just need th forum hot spot to appear.But this time I waited for the whole thing.I couldnt believe it when I saw that the clip was there for download.After months of trying to guess what the new sound would be like,I finally got to hear it.First sitting I must have heard it about 15 times atleast.But its too small,and its the ending of the song.So all it has done is make me more hungry,I just cant wait any more,especially you know that we in India will get totally fucked because the singles wont play on radio anyway,I just hope the video is aired quickly.I just cant wait any longer.I got my PC w/Internet in December 99,and I have just heard more and more and more from the band about the new record,and have thought and thought and thought about how it would be.I have discovered all of their sounds and albums.Do you know what I mean by discovery,like with an album its a wonderful and beautiful process.All the while I have thought how its going to be.A new U2 album comes like once in a lifetime!It means a lot to me,its not just that I'm a fan of their music and interested for that sake only,all that shit.No.every album has opened my mind to new ideas and changed my life in some way,and I'm not ashamed to say this.I nfact every album has shaped my life somehow.Most of all AB,JT,Zooropa and Unforgettable Fire.And have heard everything uptill now to death.I want something new in the though process evolution,want to see the moods and tones.I'm not saying I've gotten bored of the ones I have,but I have digested them in almost entirety.I want to discover more,and the potential of this band is you know limitless I feel.

About Beautiful Day,I loved the clip,but would have liked more and also it would have been better had they put out a part from the middle so as to give us a better idea.

So what exactly are you listening to right now?

Hey I have a great idea.Its a big long shot,but supposing I have summer break and you do too,we could get to America in the summer somehow,borrw,beg,steal,and go to the shows.Would not that be ultimate?And work it off there.A thought!!

Hey one question for you.Do you think that they will play even one song from Pop on this tour?I have my doubts.If so,which?What do you think of Pop as a stand-alone album,and as compared to their other work.

Well be seeing you

Well be seeing you later.BTW can you play any intruments?
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So tomtom what d'ya think of Beautiful Day,I really....really love those 46 secs man o man this band is amazing isn't it. WOW I can't wait for this album, It will sure kick some serious ass.
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Hey man I've wriiten a whole load of shit but it ain't accepting the copy paste format, something is really screwed up here,I've written some pretty good stuff, so I'll try it sometime later.Sorry
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I don't know why I even write to you.I mean all the things I want to say, I think you already understand them,its just a matter of putting up there.I think I haven't known anyone with whom I agree so much.

As for U2 not being that famous well tomtom I had a very long headaches over it, millions of fight with friends.Now I have concluded that average Indian youth don't deserve U2. U2 is just not merely a rock band, its kinda institution where you can learn so many things and get entertained for that.U2 is profoundness, you have to discover the intelectual abyss in yourself to understand their message.eg. I gave copy of POP to one of my friends and he liked Please and Do you feel Loved.Well he said "Please is such a amazing love ballad,Bono must have a great girlfriend.I said dear friend thats not a love song for his girlfriend but thats his love song for his country.He was like embarrased to core and till present day can't catch the idea.Then I gave the same chap and another the legendary Achtung Baby.The first one was pretty cautious but the second one liked One,Love Is Blindness,Untill The End Of The World.I said so what d'you think, and he was like "Yes very good love songs."I said yeah love songs alright but what d'ya think and he gave me one of the most dumbest expression ever.Then I told the stories about every song and he was like,What the hell,you have too much time.Well obviously that idiot couldn't catch anything, but revealed the shallowness in him.For him that was too much to think.For them "LOVE" means laying a girl, thats all.Well when I told him about the spiritual aspect of love,epitomised as songs..He was like very ignorant as if his belief system was diminishing. So the point is that Indian youth is very afraid to look inside himself for introspection,he's afraid I don't know why, but he just can't except the truth about himself.Part of that goes thankfully to the education system and part to an undying urge to copy the west.I have nothing against west,I love that place...I wanna go there,But as a Indian not as a confused young man who is ready to strip his 2000 years of past just to embrace the glitz, thats not me.Anyway for U2 you have to have that nack of looking deeper into thing,taking life seriously without giving away an inch of fun.You kna what the best part is that you can learn so much from a rock n roll band. Well I don't wanna go into shit about U2 in India,I think some day they'll realise what they have missed.Actually there are people who really like U2 here,I mean die hards and understanding persons, but they are few.But believe me tomtom if U2 ever comes to India, 50,000+ crowd is guaranteed, don't underestimate the best band in the world.Overall for India rock music means kick ass stuff, well I will agree U2 don't kick ass, just because of the fact that they kick you in the spine.
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Hey Hey I was also seriously thinking bout watchin U2 live.hey man isn't it amazing that somehow we tend to think same I was also thinking like we somehow all the U2 fans gather together and make to the shores,Seriously man nothing would be like it.Actually I have a cousin in NYC so putting up and food stuff is no big deal, but the bigest prob is how to we make it there ....Hey man I'll write more the lights are out so gotta go for now
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Hey ishkash.You knw that show Friends on Star World.Well guess what song was played on todays show.With or Without You!Just to tell you.

I checked out the chatroom today.There were quite a few people in at the time,it was fun.But thats all it is...a chatroom.I mean its not for any real communication.Just light-hearted timepass cool fun.

It looks like your taste in movies is as good as that in music.Forgive me for asking but how did you get so much exposure to such cinema,being from the heart of India?Is it because of your parents.I tell you it is really worthwwhile talking to you.I really feel like I've found a friend .Like movies like Citizen Kane,and the one movie I want to see so badly,Wings of Desire.I would kill to see that movie.Basically any Wim Wenders movie.I saw an interview of him on Star Movies just recently,because he was in Hong Kong,it was amazing,I tell you.The man said so many wonderful things,and they showed clips of MDH and Wings of Desire,both were so beautiful.I later checked out reviews of WoD,noone gave it less than 5 stars out of 5.I know the basic story,tell me about it.I'm telling you if you had heard the things he said,you would understand why him and U2 are so close.One I remember,he said he made movies like one paints pictures,and the most beautiful instrument is the human voice.He said lots of surreal things.Even without seeing WoD I can tell its my knid of movie.I love movies which use the camera like a brush,that visual imagery and beauty,and I love lighting and colurs,it conveys so much,and delivers such a sense of mood.You know my favourite movie?You wont believe it.Dil Se.Have you seen it?It is the only good Hindi movie I have seen.I think its so deep,very few people can get it.I have seen it 9 times.That movie is a visual spectacle.Mani Ratnam is a genius,I dont know how he can top that.Like U2,Indian people didnt deserve it.Everybody thinks it was boring,anyway it flopped.It was the first really deep movie I have seen.People say it didnt have a good story or plot,dont they realise it was not supposed to,it was about real PEOPLE,human beings.I love movies that are about simply people and feelings and emotions,and nothing else.Anyway how can you expect people who think that Hrithik Roshan is a great actor,and who cried when they saw KKHH and DTPH to like anything real?All they care about is chocolate shit entertainment,they dont look for anything beyond that.I feel like slapping people who say that movies like that are great,and the acting in KKHH was superb,please please spare me.I think its simply a reflection of what our society has become.Even the idea of friendship.Most people around me,no matter what they say,for them friends are people who lighten your spirits,make you feel good.My idea of friendship goes beyond that.I love joking around,but I would love to talk to somebody who has deep interests and ideas and thoughts and wants to share them,and who would hear mine,half-formed though they are.I want to discuss things,and learn things from people,and do things with them.Thats why I like you,I feel that you are somebody like that,who has a deep interest in life.Like I love U2,for eg.It doesnt mean that I dont think anyone else is good.I would love to meet somebody who has similar deepness and love for anything,its not necessary that they have to change or influence me,but just learning about people is such a joy.

Since the past few days,I have been thinking about the relation between U2 and and my life,and I have come up with quite a few things.I have spent a lot of time thinking about what is worthwhile and meaningful in life,and how I can do these things.I want to make an impact somehow,a big impact.I think that War and Zooropa have a lot to do with this.I am truly bothered about the people of this country.I have a lot of ideas now,much more than when I last talked about this,about war and people and oppurtunity.Remember I said to you before I'm in the process of developing as a person from scratch.I think it would be hypocritical to let U2 influence me so much and not bring their ideas into my life and what I do.What do you think?I will tell you some of my ideas next time.

Well you still didnt tell me about whether you think any songs from Pop will be played on the upcoming tour.

OK here is my top 5 right now only holds for last few days!!)
1.With or Without You
2.Bad
3.Exit
4.Pride(live)
5.Running to Stand Still

BTW did you get the MDH OST yet from your cousin?And what times are you on in the chatroom?

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