(07-28-2004) Bono Performs for Kennedy in Boston - Boston Globe*

[RocknRollKitty]

ThatGuy, that is indeed a tragedy. But it is in no comparison to Chappaquiddick, because a) she was a teenager, not an established, respected congressman, b) she was not from a rich, famous family, and c)she was right there at the scene, made no attempt to flee like he did.

BostonAnne, here's the link to the homeless/windshield story. It was only last year I think. The key connection here is the line in this story that reads "if he had gotten medical attention he would have survived"- that's true of Mary Jo too. If Ted had stopped at that fire station less than a mile from the bridge that he ran past in the night, they may have been able to save her. Maybe not, but he didn't even try. Maybe he was too 'freaked out'- that's no excuse, so was this girl. She was a 25 year old nurse, not a killer. But if she got 50 years for her mistake, it's not fair Ted should go on about his business. So what if it cost him the White House. He kept the senate, his freedom, and ended up getting 'honored.' It's just not right.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/2809134.htm?1c

 

[RocknRollKitty]

Shivers I just noticed, she drove a 1997 Chevy Cavalier, that's the car I drive!

 

[u2ulysses]

If you want to call the death of Mary Jo Kopechne due to the irresponsibilty and uncaring of Ted Kennedy "some nonsense", at least get the year right. It was 1969, not the 70's. Peronally, I don't agree with most of what he's done in the Senate.

Wait - you're criticizing me because I said 70's not 1969 (even though most of the hoopla for this event occurred during the 70's), yet you don't even agree with one iota of the very powerful things he's done in the Senate for the last 40 years? And while I agree the death of Ms. Kopechne was tragic, I also feel it was an accident. Regardless of this one tragic incident (don't get me started on how many "incidents" I can find on W), Kennedy has been an advocate of national health insurance and much needed tax reforms, perhaps two things you have no interest in now, but may one day...

 

[u2ulysses]

Shivers I just noticed, she drove a 1997 Chevy Cavalier, that's the car I drive!

I find it odd that 35 years after this accident, you still fault Kennedy and claim he should be in jail. Yet, W has done enough stock manipulation that he makes Martha Stewart look like an outright amateur. Yet, she's in jail and W is the Pres. of this country!! Can't get much more "honored" than that. At least Kennedy wasn't responsible for the deaths of thousands in an unnecessary war that has accomplished nothing and put the U.S. in an even more dangerous place than it was before.

 

[BostonAnne]

The link doesn't work RocknRollKitty. It is requesting that I register to read the article. I asked the question because I thought your answer would be more recent. I think that society has gotten much more strict regarding drunk driving and leaving accident scenes. It would be interesting to see what would have happened in this case 35 years ago.

 

[RocknRollKitty]

you don't even agree with one iota of the very powerful things he's done in the Senate for the last 40 years? And while I agree the death of Ms. Kopechne was tragic, I also feel it was an accident. Regardless of this one tragic incident (don't get me started on how many "incidents" I can find on W), Kennedy has been an advocate of national health insurance and much needed tax reforms, perhaps two things you have no interest in now, but may one day...

As I keep saying, I do not deny it was an 'accident' but his failure to seek help for her killed her. That is why the woman who hit the homeless man got 50 years. That's why it's a crime in France.

IMO, I do not agree with most of what Kennedy has been responisible for. I am not a liberal, not a socialist, and am strongly opposed to abortion, especially partial birth. So he is certainly no hero of mine. Even if I HAD agreed with what he had done, that would never excuse his part in the death of this innocent girl. No, I would not want him to stay in congress to 'do good' when others who have done less (like Martha Stewart) go to jail. At the very least he does not deserve to have it forgotten, and he doesn't deserve to be honored.

 

[RocknRollKitty]

The link doesn't work RocknRollKitty. It is requesting that I register to read the article. I asked the question because I thought your answer would be more recent. I think that society has gotten much more strict regarding drunk driving and leaving accident scenes. It would be interesting to see what would have happened in this case 35 years ago.

Weird Now it doesn't work for me either. It's a shame, it was a good long detailed story. Here's another link, but it's from BET so it's a bit more biased in the writing, but the basic story is there.

http://www.bet.com/articles/0,1048,c1gb6693-7492-1,00.html#boardsAnchor

 

[RocknRollKitty]

I find it odd that 35 years after this accident, you still fault Kennedy and claim he should be in jail. Yet, W has done enough stock manipulation that he makes Martha Stewart look like an outright amateur. Yet, she's in jail and W is the Pres. of this country!! Can't get much more "honored" than that. At least Kennedy wasn't responsible for the deaths of thousands in an unnecessary war that has accomplished nothing and put the U.S. in an even more dangerous place than it was before.

No matter how much time passes, what he did is not going to change. If that is true, then no one should ever have to be accountable for anything, just let time pass and make people forget it? The victim can't ever have that chance.

BTW I also think his nephew Michael Kennedy Smith is also guilty of killing the young girl back in 1975.

But bringing W into it is no comparison. Compare him to Lincoln, who started the Civil War, or the people who gave the orders to go to all other wars, whether or not their causes were justified.

 

[ThatGuy]

U2K, you can parse the differences all you like. It doesn't make either victim less dead because of Ted's and Laura's respective mistakes. What I find interesting is how you can be so dismissive to one case, and so damning of the other.

 

[RocknRollKitty]

U2K, you can parse the differences all you like. It doesn't make either victim less dead because of Ted's and Laura's respective mistakes. What I find interesting is how you can be so dismissive to one case, and so damning of the other.

Can you really not see the difference here? Ted had a chance to save the girl, made no effort to pull her out of the car, then failed to report the accident though as he ran away in fear he passed a fire station where he could have asked for help. While it is certainly tragic Laura ran a red light and killed someone, Ted's case is much more a parallel of the woman who left the homeless man to die in the windshield because she was too 'upset' or 'shocked' to act (as Ted claimed he was) In both that case and Ted's, the person was still alive, and it was up to them to get help, and they didn't. In France, failing to get help for an accident victim carries jail time even if you weren't involved. Some of the motorcycle paparazzi who chased Princess Di were even charged with that.

I still think you are putting blinders on because you like Ted Kennedy. I am not, I have no feelings for Laura Bush at all, one way or the other. I'm only looking at the facts objectively, and they simply do not match up. Now, if Laura had hit a person on a lonely back road, and they were still alive, and she got scared and fled the scene of an accident (also a crime) instead of callling for help, that would be the same thing. But it isn't because that's not what happened. Ted Kennedy's action was criminal and I can't stand it that people are making excuses and letting this go just because they agree with his fucking politics!

 

[Johnovox]

Can you really not see the difference here? Ted had a chance to save the girl, made no effort to pull her out of the car, then failed to report the accident though as he ran away in fear he passed a fire station where he could have asked for help. While it is certainly tragic Laura ran a red light and killed someone, Ted's case is much more a parallel of the woman who left the homeless man to die in the windshield because she was too 'upset' or 'shocked' to act (as Ted claimed he was) In both that case and Ted's, the person was still alive, and it was up to them to get help, and they didn't. In France, failing to get help for an accident victim carries jail time even if you weren't involved. Some of the motorcycle paparazzi who chased Princess Di were even charged with that.

I still think you are putting blinders on because you like Ted Kennedy. I am not, I have no feelings for Laura Bush at all, one way or the other. I'm only looking at the facts objectively, and they simply do not match up. Now, if Laura had hit a person on a lonely back road, and they were still alive, and she got scared and fled the scene of an accident (also a crime) instead of callling for help, that would be the same thing. But it isn't because that's not what happened. Ted Kennedy's action was criminal and I can't stand it that people are making excuses and letting this go just because they agree with his fucking politics!

No, I think it is RockNRollKitty who is putting blinders on because he cannot stand the fact that Bono would appear at the TK event - perhaps he cannot reconcile his own political beliefs with those of Bono and the band and the fact that Bono obviously admires Kennedy. By the way, just to rub it in, Bono is quoted as telling the crowd gathered outside the event that he "wouldn't do this for anybody else." How's them apples!

 

[ThatGuy]

The only one here giving excuses for either tragedy is you, U2K. Again, I don't think it helps the family of Michael Douglas because Laura Bush merely ran a stop sign and killed him. It doesn't make him any less dead due to her actions. I'm not giving Ted Kennedy a free pass. What he did was wrong. You're giving Laura Bush a free pass, and that's your choice.

 

[RocknRollKitty]

No, I think it is RockNRollKitty who is putting blinders on because he cannot stand the fact that Bono would appear at the TK event - perhaps he cannot reconcile his own political beliefs with those of Bono and the band and the fact that Bono obviously admires Kennedy. By the way, just to rub it in, Bono is quoted as telling the crowd gathered outside the event that he "wouldn't do this for anybody else." How's them apples!

Um, no, I have no blinders on and I do not deny that, never did. I don't approve, but that's my opinion, we all have a right to that. I have said all along this means he is a leftist, even when others disagree. I argued this point so hard in EYKIW some people thought I was a Kerry supporter! I also just brought this out in FYM in the song thread. There are ppl who say just because Kerry used BD doesn't mean Bono gave his approval, I say it does! I think it is very obvious which side Bono is on. It saddens me much, but I do not deny it at all!

However, the real blinders continue to be worn by those who ignore what Ted Kennedy did, though anyone else would have been in jail for it. I don't care how many years pass, this will never change.

 

[Johnovox]

Um, no, I have no blinders on and I do not deny that, never did. I don't approve, but that's my opinion, we all have a right to that. I have said all along this means he is a leftist, even when others disagree. I argued this point so hard in EYKIW some people thought I was a Kerry supporter! I also just brought this out in FYM in the song thread. There are ppl who say just because Kerry used BD doesn't mean Bono gave his approval, I say it does! I think it is very obvious which side Bono is on. It saddens me much, but I do not deny it at all!

However, the real blinders continue to be worn by those who ignore what Ted Kennedy did, though anyone else would have been in jail for it. I don't care how many years pass, this will never change.

I didn't read your posts on this in the other thread. I have conservative friends who have always followed U2 while acknowledging that their political beliefs are more liberal. I totally disagree with you on Kennedy, but I guess we will have to leave it at that. People are into U2 for different reasons, but we all share a love of the band.

 

[RocknRollKitty]

I didn't read your posts on this in the other thread. I have conservative friends who have always followed U2 while acknowledging that their political beliefs are more liberal.

I realized a long time ago if I held people's beliefs and personal lives against them, I wouldn't have a record collection.

I totally disagree with you on Kennedy

If you disagree with me on his politics, I can respect that. If you disagree and don't see he had any wrongdoing in this girl's death, I cannot understand that, because it's obvious he DID. I don't think it's right for people to let this go because they like his politics, when they wouldn't if it were a politician they disagreed with, and any person off the street (like the young lady with the windshield) would have been put away.

but I guess we will have to leave it at that. People are into U2 for different reasons, but we all share a love of the band.

That's true, I have always felt I had a connection to the band, and I do love them. As the old overly quoted line goes, 'we are one, but we are not the same!'

 

[riderka]

Is there any video for download of Bono performing Pride?
It could be audio too. Please somebody help.

 

[riderka]

Could someone help ? Thanks a lot.