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Well even if we take just the 2009 figure, I think she'll easily outsell NLOTH
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Well even if we take just the 2009 figure, I think she'll easily outsell NLOTH
fedeu2
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I´m not that sure about the "easily" bit but yes, she definitely has a good chance.
Probably most people who buy all 4 singles [guilty] from an album are usually the hc fans who own the album already and are then wanting any bsides, mixes + exclusive formats like extra 12"s/CDs, posters, pic discs etal that were common as muck back then..
re: "u2 are the narrative"
....well, once upon a time, recently too, yes they were very much so, they would dominate a given year in every almost context; whether it was ZOO TV/Zooropa, Elevation, the JT/LT, Vertigo, even POP initially, there was a wider sense of event and excitement + the usual snowball effect of the significant press interest, the singles + videos, TV docs, and some nice stunts and the album that didn't drop so quickly... an album that leapt beyond just the base... that is what I mean by "shaping the narrative" of the particular moment... That isn't apparent with this record so that is why = niche - yes, it has scored highly with the fanbase [well no wonder it is a good album - so it bloody should] and possibly it was also snapped up by those that bought the last 2 as well, those who were not really hardcore "we buy everything" U2 fans and were expecting more of the same style [uh dunno... the R.E.M "Monster" / Nirvana "In Utero" effect?] but the album has not quite exploded out into the general music buying population and sustained like before the way the previous 5 or so out of 6 did...
It's peaked as regards significant sales esp. in the major markets [UK, North America], while other artist's albums, some releases from late/mid '08, are still selling slowly and surely... So sure it will still sell [if stores drop it's price to 4.00quid again or whatever that certainly helps] but to expect another 2.5-3.0million from now until December? really? it probably will not sustain curent sales in these [socalled] secondary markets for ever, yeah where I agree it's done better... it's hung in there... but then you really are relying on some sort of signifcant return from the live shows as a second lease of life and history ain't there, and "outta sight, outta mind" as someone else said... So perhaps some next single/video will click with the public beyond just us, MOS being this year's One or WOWY? they need that gem hidden away on the album, so far hidden from the view of the masses that will be some sort of catalyst...
I am not denying the album's sales to date being very decent in this interesting musical era / climate, not at all, I am just slightly sceptical of the record finishing 2009 as either the #1 album of the year or doubling it's sales on a some post-tour return... ie. I don't know about you, but I don't tend to nonchalantly fork out between $50-$200 [before fees] on comcert of a band who's latest record I don't own somehow, y'know...
....biggest seller? well ugh... sadly that contrived tranny puppet might have the year's biggest seller, she can enjoy it, she won't have many more... she is on the same label as U2 so hmmm... ah no don't go there...
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WOW outsold NLOTH, somethings wrong with the Uk market, thats for sure.
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Just looking at what mediatraffic has recorded for each album, regardless of the year, The Fame is at 2,069,000 while NLOTH is at 2,819,000. While the Fame may have sold more than that, there is also information indicating that NLOTH has sold more than the current mediatraffic total as well. But right now, there is nearly an 800,000 gap in sales between the two albums based on the more confirmed totals.
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U2 are about to play to more people on the U2 360 tour than they or anyone else has EVER played to on a single tour in HISTORY! The tour will be U2's most successful ever breaking records in nearly every single market it plays. Thats based on the results of the initial ticket sales for the tour.
The album has sold over 2,819,000 copies worldwide and is way ahead of the #2 seller at 2,069,000 and the #3 seller at 1.6 million!
Ask yourself this, when was the last time a U2 tour became the highest grossing, highest attended tour in history, breaking nearly every single concert record that exist?
When was the last time U2 finished a 6 month period or an entire year with the biggest selling album around the world? The album will be the biggest seller of the first 6 months of 2009 by a WIDE MARGIN! Whether it will be the biggest seller of the entire year remains to be seen, but even if it did not sell another single album after this week, it will still make the top 10 for the year. The albums sales do not need to double in order for it to be the biggest selling album of the year this year.
The success of any artist in the music industry is based on concert ticket sales and album sales. When you are the top in both or near the top in both, especially with record breaking business in one, you are the narative!
Your perception of how often you hear the band mentioned in your local media, see a video on TV, or hear the band on your local radio stations is NOT what determines whether the band is a success or the narative of the year worldwide.
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yes, if NLOTH is to become the biggest selling album of the year this is undoubtably a massive acheivement for anyone - and a first for U2.
since the 80's or earlier having the biggest selling album of the year would probably mean you were the worlds biggest artist, but now single downloads are determining who the biggest artists are.
even so, NLTh has done well.
since the 80's or earlier having the biggest selling album of the year would probably mean you were the worlds biggest artist, but now single downloads are determining who the biggest artists are.
even so, NLTh has done well.
That "other" website updated the sales period of May 18-24, and NLOTH comes in at #10, down three spots from the previous week. Sales for that period were 72,200. So, per music charts dot net, NLOTH has sold about 3.1 million copies through May 24, 2009.
The site also tracks the Top 100 Singles of the World, based on sales/downloads. Boots re-enters the chart at #98 in it's 17th week, after peaking at #10 in March. Magnificent reverses course and rises from 48 to 44 in it's 5th week, peaking at 33 just two weeks ago...but perhaps it can climb higher if the remixes are promoted and released worldwide (if remixes count...think they do).
The site also tracks the Top 100 Singles of the World, based on sales/downloads. Boots re-enters the chart at #98 in it's 17th week, after peaking at #10 in March. Magnificent reverses course and rises from 48 to 44 in it's 5th week, peaking at 33 just two weeks ago...but perhaps it can climb higher if the remixes are promoted and released worldwide (if remixes count...think they do).
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yes, if NLOTH is to become the biggest selling album of the year this is undoubtably a massive acheivement for anyone - and a first for U2.
since the 80's or earlier having the biggest selling album of the year would probably mean you were the worlds biggest artist, but now single downloads are determining who the biggest artists are.
even so, NLTh has done well.
Single downloads are too cheap to be anything meaningful in terms of determining popularity. A single cost only 99 cents! Most albums still cost 10 dollars to 15 dollars. Selling 1 million albums brings in more money than selling 10 million singles. If people are not willing to pay 10 dollars for your album and instead buy the single for 99 cents, its highly unlikely that they are going to pay to see you in concert or buy anything else from the artist.
Its still album sales and concert ticket sales that determine who the biggest artist in the world are at the moment. A single is more representitive of the popularity of that particular song rather than the artist. When the single outsells the album from which it came from, in a way, it shows that the song is actually more popular than the artist.
fedeu2
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Makes perfect sense to me.
The fact is the album is not selling enough anymore to jump back into the picture, it's off radar for music fans now and will likely be overtaken by others who are still in the various charts, selling and getting attention, wider media expsoure and interest. U2 needed a song like [sorry I know...] VLV to stay in the chart for a year selling slowly, it's still there, people still buying it, getting them attention and selling their album in the process...
How do you expect to up sales significantly, every point you make is "so far it's this and that" but so far isn't Dec 31 and where sales have peaked for U2 they are not peaking for a multitude of other albums still lingering in the Top 20s after 27wks or longer, slow drip drip sales.
"...it will still make the Top 10"
what? you're downsizing expectations now from the #1 album of 2009? Look, no one is denying it will end '09 in a decent position, but it hasn't broken through enough... I always felt #1 was unlikely unless there is some global cosmic alignment and U2 connect with fans beyond the base via that special song, a video, a something...
So if you are revising your #1 to Top 10, sure, sadly what a meagre Top 10 that is..
To get NL back into say; the major markets; US or the UK chart... How do you achieve that if either no one is interested as before in U2 as regards NEW music or just unaware of what your band is doing, isn't seeing the videos, hearing the songs via the usual media outlets that are available to us, the ones U2 dominated before... uh what? via the 60k at each of the venues? like I said they have either; bought the record already, stolen it in quality that suffices [FLAC being available before the US release], copied their mate's CD, swapped USB drives or are there for a trip down memory lane... and as you've said now, 2, 3 times; stadium tour, gigantic setup & of course the pricing in the range of $90-$200 before fees = biggest gross ever... maths! so yes of course it will gross numero uno..
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No Line On The Horizon sold 49,000 copies last week worldwide, and was the 16th biggest seller around the world. So this idea that its "off the radar" is absurd to the extreme.
They probably don't need to "up sales significantly" to finish the year at #1 or in the top 5. Again, look at how many copies have been sold of NLOTH vs the rest of the competition!
I said IF, it did not sell another single copy the rest of the year, it would still end up in the top 10 for the year! Obviously its going to continue to sell more from now until December 31.
Achtung Baby was the 5th biggest selling album worldwide back in 1992. So if NLOTH were to finish at #5 or better for the year worldwide in 2009, you will have to regard NLOTH as one of U2's most successful albums.
How can you describe the top 10 selling albums in this environment as being "meagre"?
With the year nearly half over, here are the top 10 best selling albums of 2009:
Best Selling Albums in 2009
1. U2 No Line On The Horizon 2,819,000
2. Lady Gaga The Fame 2,064,000
3. Beyoncé I Am... Sasha Fierce 1,676,000
4. Kings Of Leon Only By The Night 1,647,000
5. Soundtrack Twilight 1,622,000
6. Taylor Swift Fearless 1,601,000
7. Bruce Springsteen Working On A Dream 1,452,000
8. Pink Funhouse 1,310,000
9. Soundtrack Hannah Montana: The Movie 1,279,000
10. Nickelback Dark Horse 1,193,000
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Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
70-80% of that list is crap.
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fedeu2
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That´s besides the point.
fedeu2
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Let´s see. This is the list of best selling albums in 2008 (per Mediatraffic):
1-Coldplay Viva la vida or death and all his friends 6,6
2-Amy Winehouse Back to black 5,1
3-AC/DC Black Ice 5,0
4-Duffy Rockferry 4,5
5-Leona Lewis Spirit 4,3
6-Soundtrack Mamma mia 3,9
7-Rihanna Good girl gone bad 3,7
8-Metallica Death magnetic 3,6
9- Madonna Hard candy 3,2
10-Lil Wayne Tha carter III 3,2
Now, we have to take into account a 20% sales decline among the biggest selling albums as compared 2008 to 2009. Thus NLOTH current sales of 2,8 million would become nearly 3,4 million, enough to make it into the Top selling albums in 2008 at position 9. If we assume that 2009 total sales for NLOTH will be around 4 million, equating to 4,8 million in 2008, this means that the album would have easily made it into the top 5 selling albums in 2008.
So, unless there are good reasons to believe that 2009 will behave different from 2008 (apart from the above mentioned sales decline) it is reasonable to assert that NLOTH will be among the 5 biggest selling albums in 2009.
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There is one small mistake with the year end list from 2008. It list AC/DC Black Ice at 5 million, but if you count up the sales for 2008, it only comes out to 4.6 million, still good enough for 3rd place though.
"meagre"? uh, album sales are generally rather meagre... albums themselves are fine...
...btw at least 4 of those albums are still Top 5/10/20 and obviously still selling more than...
...49,000 sales across the world...
U2 are to quite an extent off the mainstream radar compared to recent eras... the album hasn't moved the casual audience... or if it did, they stole it when their record company thought it'd be smashing idea to release it a week early in Japan [where of course they don't have CD burners, high speed internet or bit_torrent, file sharing technology]... but is it like '05, '01 and the early 90s? where U2 had that command? come on... what's absurd about that observation?
Alas, that obnoxious Gaga creature stands to gain and will probably sell the most albums this year, which is fucking sad...
However, maybe you can explain why the "world's biggest band" record has vanished very abruptly from two of the world's biggest record markets?
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Having the biggest selling album worldwide for the first 6 months of 2009 is not meagre, nor is finishing the year with the biggest selling album worldwide, top 5 worldwide, or top 10.
Worldwide, more than that actually and No Line On The Horizon is one of those albums!
Good enough to be the 16th biggest selling album around the world last week! Definitely not "OFF the radar".
Right now, its more like 1987 with the Joshua Tree. On July 4, 1987, U2 played Paris and before the concert Island records had a large party to celebrate the fact that the Joshua Tree was the biggest selling album around the world for the first 6 months of 1987!
When U2 play Barcelona on June 30, 2009, the record company will be able to hold the exact same party celebrating the fact that "No Line On The Horizon" is the biggest selling album around the world for the first 6 months of 2009!
But right now Gaga is still sitting 800,000 copies behind "No Line On The Horizon". How many shows is Gaga playing this year and how many of them are soldout?
Here is U2's concert schedule for 2009. Notice all of the shows are in Stadiums with a new setup that allows for in the round seating!
Barcelona 1: 98,000+ SOLDOUT
Barcelona 2: 98,000+
Milan 1: 80,000+ SOLDOUT
Milan 2: 80,000+ SOLDOUT
Paris 1: 80,000+ SOLDOUT
Paris 2: 80,000+ SOLDOUT
Nice: 50,000 SOLDOUT
Zagreb 1: 65,000 SOLDOUT
Zagreb 2: 65,000 SOLDOUT
Amsterdam 1: 60,000 SOLDOUT
Amsterdam 2: 60,000 SOLDOUT
Berlin: 75,000+
Gelsenkirchen: 60,000+
Stockholm 1: 60,000+ SOLDOUT
Stockholm 2: 60,000+ SOLDOUT
Chorzow: 75,000+
Glasgow: 60,000+
Sheffield: 50,000+
Cardiff: 70,000+
London: 90,000+ SOLDOUT
London: 90,000+
Dublin: 83,000 SOLDOUT
Dublin: 83,000 SOLDOUT
Dublin: 83,000 SOLDOUT
Europe Average: 72,708
Chicago 1: 65,000 SOLDOUT
Chicago 2: 65,000
Toronto 1: 60,000 SOLDOUT
Toronto 2: 60,000 SOLDOUT
Boston 1: 72,000 SOLDOUT
Boston 2: 72,000
New York City 1: 82,000 SOLDOUT
New York City 2: 82,000 SOLDOUT
Washington DC: 92,000
Charlottesville: 60,000
Raleigh: 60,000
Atlanta: 72,000
Tampa: 60,000
Dallas: 80,000
Houston: 70,000
Norman: 82,500
Phoenix: 63,000
Las Vegas: 42,000 SOLDOUT
Los Angeles: 90,000 SOLDOUT
Vancouver: 65,000 SOLDOUT
Before this tour, U2 had only played 5 shows in the United States to 60,000 or more people. Once the 2010 leg is completed, that figure will be up to several dozen.
It hasn't. In the United States, it sits at #55 with it being the 3rd best seller so far in 2009.
Can you explain why the biggest album seller in the United States over the past 10 years was only able to sell 25% more than U2 in his opening week in the USA compared to U2's opening week? That artist by the way is Eminem.
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id say global sales are down more than 20% from last year. if you look at the total sales of the top10 last year, i dont think the top10 this year will be anywhere near.
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