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New thread! :hyper: The latest stats (as posted in the first thread):

U2 360 TOUR - Total Stats (In Progress)
Total Gross - $700,192,686
Attendance - 6,876,404
Average Gross - $6,732,621
Average Attendance - 66,119
Average Ticket Price - $101.82
Shows - 104
Sellouts - 104

Europe I (2009)
Total Gross- $188,344,444
Attendance- 1,759,222
Average Gross-$7,847,685
Average Attendance-73,300
Average Ticket Price-$107.06
Shows-24
Sellouts-24

North American I (2009)
Total Gross-$123,293,286
Attendance-1,312,068
Average Gross-$6,164,664
Average Attendance-65,603
Average Ticket Price-$93.96
Shows-20
Sellouts-20

Europe II (2010)
Total Gross-$131,502,367
Attendance-1,312,784
Average Gross-$5,977,380
Average Attendance-59,672
Average Ticket Price-$100.17
Shows-22
Sellouts-22

Australia / New Zealand (2010)
Total Gross-$60,918,582
Attendance-500,437
Average Gross-$6,091,858
Average Attendance-50,043
Average Ticket Price-$121.73
Shows-10
Sellouts-10

South Africa (2011)
Total Gross-$15,540,805
Attendance-166,764
Average Gross-$7,770,402
Average Attendance-83,382
Average Ticket Price-$93.19
Shows-2
Sellouts-2

South America (2011)
Total Gross-$60,854,813
Attendance-519,285
Average Gross-$8,693,544
Average Attendance-74,183
Average Ticket Price-$117.18
Shows-7
Sellouts-7

North America II (2011) (In Progress)
Total Gross-$119,738,389
Attendance-1,305,844
Average Gross-$6,302,020
Average Attendance-68,728
Average Ticket Price-$91.69
Shows-19
Sellouts-19

Billboard's Top Tour of 2011 (In Progress) - $257,052,589

Huge thanks to robbrecon72 & Maoilbheannacht for compiling the stats!
 
Here was Pittsburgh results last week..

July 26 Pittsburgh Heinz Stadium
$250 club level singles
$250 lower level singles
$95 club level singles
$95 lower level multiples
$95 upper level multiples
$55 GA sold out
$55 club level sold out
$55 lower level sold out
$55 upper level multiples
$30 lower level sold out
$30 upper level sold out


Here is Pittsburgh's results today!

July 26 Pittsburgh Heinz Stadium
$250 club level singles
$250 lower level sold out
$95 club level singles
$95 lower level singles
$95 upper level sold out
$55 GA sold out
$55 club level sold out
$55 lower level sold out
$55 upper level singles
$30 lower level sold out
$30 upper level sold out


Amazing how well the NA leg 2011 has sold ...every show has been packed to the rim!
 
They've added more seats to the grandstands for Moncton!

July 30 Moncton NB Magnetic Hill
$275 Red Zone sold out
$199.5 Grandstand 1 singles
$199.5 Grandstand 2 singles
$199.5 Grandstand 3 singles
$199.5 Grandstand 4 singles
$99.5 Grandstand 1 multiples
$99.5 Grandstand 2 multiples
$99.5 Grandstand 3 sold out
$99.5 Grandstand 4 sold out
$65 Grandstand 3 multiples
$65 Grandstand 4 multiples
$65 GA multiples
$29.5 Grandstand 5 sold out
 
Yeah, it's definitely amazing to see these stats. So, four cities in U2360 have gotten "return visits" - we are able to determine the individual stats for Paris, Chicago, and Toronto. (East Rutherford being the other one)

U2360 Paris - July 11 + 12 (2009) & September 18 (2010)

TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 283,084
TOTAL GROSS: $31,078,008
AVERAGE TICKET PRICE: $109.78
SHOWS / SELLOUTS: 3 / 3

U2360 Chicago - September 12 + 13 (2009) & July 5 (2011)

TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 200,169
TOTAL GROSS: $19,646,815
AVERAGE TICKET PRICE: $98.15
SHOWS / SELLOUTS: 3 / 3

U2360 Toronto - September 16 + 17 (2009) & July 11 (2011)

TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 173,831
TOTAL GROSS: $16,427,803
AVERAGE TICKET PRICE: $94.50
SHOWS / SELLOUTS: 3 / 3

The 3rd Toronto show had an attendance of 58,420, and a gross of $6,856,131 - the average ticket price of that show ($117.36) is the highest average ticket price so far between the two North American legs. The first two Toronto shows had an average ticket price of $82.94. What a big difference!
 
Originally Posted by U2FanPeter
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Celine did close to 220,000 tickets at one venue on a single tour. Possibly the 3rd biggest total attendance at an arena worldwide(Bruce NJ, Prince O2?)

If U2 did three nights in Montreal on 360 they would still probably fall short.

Today, 05:10 AM
Maoilbheannacht

Maybe not. But in any event, were talking about filling a 20,000 seat arena, not an 80,000 seat stadium. Selling 162,000 tickets for two shows is FAR more impressive than selling 220,000 tickets for 11 shows. Huge difference. With arena's, you have more shows and more dates to arrive at the same attendance level which makes achieving a 200,000 or 300,000 attendance mark, much much easier. You also benefit much more from the hardcore fans who go to multiple shows when you play arena's. The max capacity of the venue is much closer to the size of the hardcore base thats willing to go to 5 to 10 shows. If a fan can't make a show earlier in the month or a particular week or day, with 11 or more arena shows, it won't be a problem and they will find an open date in which they can attend.

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Celine has the single venue record over U2 in Canada within a tour. I can only think of 4 instances were someone sold more than 220,000 tickets at one arena within a tour: Bruce NJ, Prince O2, Spice Girls O2 and also Floyd Earl's Court.
 
prbiker15 said:
Yeah, it's definitely amazing to see these stats. So, four cities in U2360 have gotten "return visits" - we are able to determine the individual stats for Paris, Chicago, and Toronto. (East Rutherford being the other one)
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Rosebowl/Anaheim in a 40 minute drive apart. DC/Baltimore must have had a huge crossover as well.
 
Yeah, but I'm showing the stats for one city, not an area. But in that case..:wink:

U2360 Los Angeles Area - Pasadena (October 28) & Anaheim (June 17-18)

TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 202,969
TOTAL GROSS: $20,750,176
AVERAGE TICKET PRICE: $102.23
SHOWS / SELLOUTS: 3 / 3

U2360 Baltimore-Washington D.C. Area - Landover (September 29) & Baltimore (June 22)

TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 159,311
TOTAL GROSS: $13,550,825
AVERAGE TICKET PRICE: $85.05
SHOWS / SELLOUTS: 2 / 2

These stats are just so fascinating to look at -- and technically, both U2360 shows in the Baltimore-Washington D.C. area were both in Maryland, though Landover is within the D.C. metro area limits. And East Rutherford is within the New York City/Tri-State area, but it's technically in New Jersey, so it'll count as New Jersey and not New York City.
 
U2FanPeter said:
Celine has the single venue record over U2 in Canada within a tour. I can only think of 4 instances were someone sold more than 220,000 tickets at one arena within a tour: Bruce NJ, Prince O2, Spice Girls O2 and also Floyd Earl's Court.
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So? The math is very simple. U2 just did 162,000 in two days. A third show would have added at least 40,000 to 60,000 I think. But, when you have huge demand for just two days and you start in a 20,000 seat arena, you can play for weeks in that arena without meeting demand. 162,000 in two days is a far more impressive feet than 220,000 over 11 days. Actually, since the shows were not back to back, that would probably be two to three weeks.
 
I was glad to be among that record setting crowd, and now that the stadium has been torn down it will never be broken. Not that it was likely to anyway, Bruce couldn't even break it as the final act there.
 
Yeah, it makes sense they'll also break the single night attendance record at the New Meadowlands as well.

My Predictions for the remaining U2360 shows:

Lincoln Financial Field - Philadelphia - 73,000 - $7,100,000
Busch Stadium - St. Louis - 51,000 - $4,800,000
New Meadowlands Stadium - East Rutherford - 89,000 - $8,800,000
TCF Bank Stadium - Minneapolis - 58,000 - $5,100,000
Heinz Field - Pittsburgh - 63,000 - $5,800,000
Magnetic Hill Concert Site - Moncton - 94,000 - $9,000,000

I don't think Moncton will pass 100,000 but will be higher than the Rolling Stones' attendance of 89,260 in 2005. I might be off on gross estimations, but that's based on the average ticket prices of most cities this past leg, which is around $80-$100.
 
prbiker15 said:
Yeah, it makes sense they'll also break the single night attendance record at the New Meadowlands as well.

My Predictions for the remaining U2360 shows:

Lincoln Financial Field - Philadelphia - 73,000 - $7,100,000
Busch Stadium - St. Louis - 51,000 - $4,800,000
New Meadowlands Stadium - East Rutherford - 89,000 - $8,800,000
TCF Bank Stadium - Minneapolis - 58,000 - $5,100,000
Heinz Field - Pittsburgh - 63,000 - $5,800,000
Magnetic Hill Concert Site - Moncton - 94,000 - $9,000,000

I don't think Moncton will pass 100,000 but will be higher than the Rolling Stones' attendance of 89,260 in 2005. I might be off on gross estimations, but that's based on the average ticket prices of most cities this past leg, which is around $80-$100.
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I like these numbers but I remember reading an article when TCF Bank originally went on sale that said they sold out 70k tickets. Also, I think Philly will reach 80k just based on the pics I have seen.
 
CosmoKramer said:
I like these numbers but I remember reading an article when TCF Bank originally went on sale that said they sold out 70k tickets. Also, I think Philly will reach 80k just based on the pics I have seen.
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I think you're right about Philadelphia, not sure about Minneapolis but it will be close to 60,000 or maybe higher.

Lincoln Financial Field - seating capacity - 68,532
TCF Bank Stadium - seating capacity - 50,805

It also depends on how many tickets on the field are sold. The attendance for the Miami show was 72,569 - original capacity for football is 75,192 - but the whole lower bowl behind the stage was taken out, lowering the seating capacity. There was also a section of seats behind the stage that weren't put on sale, and the empty section behind the mix desk. But the field was packed (I was at the show) so I guess that raises the capacity for the show.
 
That's a packed field at TCF Bank Stadium...probably 58,000 in the house.


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It looks like there may have been a little more than 58,000 people - maybe 60,000. But once again, another packed house. The Red Zones looked packed as well. Nice aerial shots.
 
Minnesota Claw had it's last gig and can now be sold. I'm actually curious how much they actually get for them.

Maoilbheannacht said:
162,000 in two days is a far more impressive feet than 220,000 over 11 days.
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Montreal has the highest production cost of the 360 tour. Celine walked away away with upwards of $20mil more than U2 did in the same city. Not that her husband wouldn't gamble it away within a month.
 
guys, one question:

is it fair to consider 2 gigs in september 2009 and one in july 2011 in the same city (i.e. toronto or chicago or east rutherford) as part of the same tour?

I know that technically this is the same tour....but it is so spread out and with such major breaks between legs (without bono's accident, we would have had 7 month-plus off the road between 2009 and 2010 legs: that's nearly as long as the whole Elevation and JT tours) that I have some doubts about it.

example: let's imagine that u2 brings back the claw on US soil in summer 2013 for 20 more shows, something like "360 reloaded" or "360-encore". would you still consider that the same tour? and if on that tour u2 played 2 shows in toronto, would you say that they played 5 shows in toronto on the 360 tour 2009-2013?

another example: Bruce played Hersheypark stadium in august 2008 and may 2009. the stage was virtually the same, the break between tours had only been of 7 months...and yet those were considered 2 different and distinct tours, since they were supporting 2 different albums.
 
superglen said:
guys, one question:

is it fair to consider 2 gigs in september 2009 and one in july 2011 in the same city (i.e. toronto or chicago or east rutherford) as part of the same tour?

I know that technically this is the same tour....but it is so spread out and with such major breaks between legs (without bono's accident, we would have had 7 month-plus off the road between 2009 and 2010 legs: that's nearly as long as the whole Elevation and JT tours) that I have some doubts about it.

example: let's imagine that u2 brings back the claw on US soil in summer 2013 for 20 more shows, something like "360 reloaded" or "360-encore". would you still consider that the same tour? and if on that tour u2 played 2 shows in toronto, would you say that they played 5 shows in toronto on the 360 tour 2009-2013?

another example: Bruce played Hersheypark stadium in august 2008 and may 2009. the stage was virtually the same, the break between tours had only been of 7 months...and yet those were considered 2 different and distinct tours, since they were supporting 2 different albums.
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1) It is fair to consider the three gigs in Toronto, Chicago, and East Rutherford as part of the same tour. As long as it's under "U2 360 Tour".

2) If there was ever a tour like "360 Encore", I think they would count it as a continuation of U2360 and not as a separate tour, because you're still promoting the 360 Tour, no? And you're using the same production as well. But it also depends if they tour under a different album, so the tour name might change. So if they did 2 more shows in Toronto, and if they did count it again as part of U2360, then they would have done 5 shows in Toronto.

To me, as long as it's under the same tour name, it's part of the tour.
 
U2FanPeter said:
Montreal has the highest production cost of the 360 tour. Celine walked away away with upwards of $20mil more than U2 did in the same city. Not that her husband wouldn't gamble it away within a month.
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What does that have to do with how much more impressive U2's drawing power is in Montreal?

Whats your source for alleging that Celine walking away with $20 million more than U2?

Why do you continue this game of searching for things that you think another artist did better than U2?
 
superglen said:
guys, one question:

is it fair to consider 2 gigs in september 2009 and one in july 2011 in the same city (i.e. toronto or chicago or east rutherford) as part of the same tour?
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Definitely, especially in this case. Your forgetting that the majority of the tickets sold for North American 2011 leg, were sold to U2 fans BEFORE the end of 2009! The shows are only occuring in 2011 because of Bono's injury. Otherwise they would have occured in 2010.

Yes, there was a 7 month gap between legs, but there was a 4 month gap between the first leg of the Joshua Tree North American tour and the 2nd leg of the Joshua Tree North American tour. Are you going to claim that the first leg of the Joshua Tree North American tour is not the same TOUR because it ended 4 months before the second leg?

 This is not the first tour that has lasted two years in length. ZOO TV almost lasted that long. Guns Roses Tour for Use Your Illusion was over two years in length. First North American shows on that tour for GNR were in early 1991 while the last shows were in early 1993.

Look at the Rolling Stones last tour. Two years in length again. A full year between the Rolling Stones first leg in Europe and the 2nd leg in Europe on A Bigger Bang.

How about Madonna! Same thing. Nearly a full year between her first leg in Europe and the 2nd leg in Europe.



Bruce Springsteen's tours were different because they involved promoting different albums, had a different theme and set list.

U2 won't be doing an encore of 360 in 2013. Anything along those lines would be a different tour.

Why do you keep searching for ways to devalue U2's success? :wink:
 
U2FanPeter said:
Minnesota Claw had it's last gig and can now be sold. I'm actually curious how much they actually get for them.



Montreal has the highest production cost of the 360 tour. Celine walked away away with upwards of $20mil more than U2 did in the same city. Not that her husband wouldn't gamble it away within a month.
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It's not right comparing Celine Dion's results in Montreal to U2's results in Montreal - she's a Quebec native, she will obviously attract much more people in Montreal than other international artists will.

Celine Dion
Bell Centre
Montreal, Quebec
August 15, 16, 19, 20, 23, 25, 31, September 1, 2008 + February 12, 14, 15, 2009
$30,137,572
227,616 /
227,616
11 /
11

U2, Interpol
Hippodrome de Montreal
Montreal, Quebec
July 8-9, 2011
$17,178,724
162,466 /
162,466
2 /
2

Now, can she even fill up a stadium in North America? Maybe in the big cities, but in places like Denver, St. Louis? Maybe not. :wink:
 
Maoilbheannacht said:
What does that have to do with how much more impressive U2's drawing power is in Montreal?

Whats your source for alleging that Celine walking away with $20 million more than U2?
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Including the grandstand, a good half of u2 Montreal ticket gross would have been chewed up with production costs. Celine grossed $30m in the city.
 
prbiker15 said:
Now, can she even fill up a stadium in North America? Maybe in the big cities, but in places like Denver, St. Louis? Maybe not. :wink:
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Outside Montreal, U2 may have floundered with these African(7)/Asia(6) Stadium dates that Celine played.

February 14, 2008 Johannesburg South Africa Coca-Cola Dome
February 16, 2008 Pretoria Loftus Versfeld Stadium
February 17, 2008 "
February 20, 2008 Durban ABSA Stadium
February 23, 2008 Cape Town Vergelegen Estate
February 24, 2008 "
February 27, 2008 Port Elizabeth EPRFU Stadium

March 8, 2008 Tokyo Japan Tokyo Dome
March 9, 2008 "
March 11, 2008 Osaka Osaka Dome
March 12, 2008 "
April 11, 2008 Shanghai China Shanghai Stadium
April 13, 2008 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia Stadium Merdeka
 
U2FanPeter said:
Including the grandstand, a good half of u2 Montreal ticket gross would have been chewed up with production costs. Celine grossed $30m in the city.
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Source?

Again, what does this have to do with U2's drawing power in Montreal which is obviously larger than Celine Dions given that they can draw 162,000 people for just two shows?

Celine's run involves the production cost for 11 shows!

In addition, why is any of this relevant? U2 could easily do 11 arena shows in Montreal with the same production cost or cheaper than Celine Dion.

162,000 attendance at two shows is more impressive than 227,000 at 11 shows.
 
U2FanPeter said:
Outside Montreal, U2 may have floundered with these African(7)/Asia(6) Stadium dates that Celine played.

February 14, 2008 Johannesburg South Africa Coca-Cola Dome
February 16, 2008 Pretoria Loftus Versfeld Stadium
February 17, 2008 "
February 20, 2008 Durban ABSA Stadium
February 23, 2008 Cape Town Vergelegen Estate
February 24, 2008 "
February 27, 2008 Port Elizabeth EPRFU Stadium

March 8, 2008 Tokyo Japan Tokyo Dome
March 9, 2008 "
March 11, 2008 Osaka Osaka Dome
March 12, 2008 "
April 11, 2008 Shanghai China Shanghai Stadium
April 13, 2008 Kuala Lumpur Malaysia Stadium Merdeka
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Why is every post about searching for something that U2 would not be able to do that an another artist could?

Yes, you can take any two artist or more and set the up side by side and find something that one could that the other couldn't. So what?

Lets look at the big picture. Can Celine Dione do this?

U2 360 TOUR: TOTAL STATS TO DATE

GROSS: $700,192,686 (RECORD)
ATTENDANCE: 6,876,404 (RECORD)
Average Gross: $6,732,622
Average Attendance: 66,119
Average Ticket Price: $101.83
Shows: 104
Sellouts: 104



She is no where near those figures, and this is without U2 playing arena's in multiple markets that they could.

The fact of the matter is, the Planet has spent about $1 Billion dollars on U2 since No Line On The Horizon was released in March 2009. There is no other artist out there that can claim to have had that much money spent on them by the public, in that time frame.
 
Maoilbheannacht said:
U2 360 TOUR: TOTAL STATS TO DATE

GROSS: $700,192,686 (RECORD)
ATTENDANCE: 6,876,404 (RECORD)
Average Gross: $6,732,622
Average Attendance: 66,119
Average Ticket Price: $101.83
Shows: 104
Sellouts: 104



She is no where near those figures, and this is without U2 playing arena's in multiple markets that they could.
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From 2003 to 2014 she will do $800,000,000 from a SINGLE THEATER SIZED VENUE.
 
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