u2 360 Boxscore

[Maoilbheannacht]

That's right. Since, of course, U2 have utilized mostly arena openers on the 360 tour, like no other headliner EVER has on this scale. But I see you two still suffer from U2 disease...

The only openers that could qualify as arena level in the cities they opened for U2 are Muse, Black Eyed Peas, and maybe Jay-Z although I don't think Jay-Z has played arena's in Australia and New Zealand. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Oh, by the way MOGGIO, Muse's gross for its 40 shows in North America in 2010 was only $23.3 million! Nickleback's gross in 2006 when they opened for the Stones was over $30 million. So you were wrong in claiming that Muse today was a stronger arena act than Nickleback in 2006, by a considerable margin!

It should also be mentioned that although Muse opened 7 shows for U2 in South America, Muse has NEVER ever played to an arena sized crowd on its own in South America. You can't claim to be an arena act in a country when you have NEVER played an arena there in your career and your most recent performance was to theater sized crowds!

Interpol, Florance And the Machine, and Lenny Kravitz are not arena acts. Hell, Lenny Kravitz supported Aerosmith and together they still could not sellout an arena in the San Francisco Bay area.

The Fray are not an arena act in Winnipeg, Edmonton, SLC or Denver. In Fact the Fray's popularity has decline since 2006-2007 when they were able to manage a tour in North America that had an average attendance per show of just 7,000. That was more than a theater act, but not really an arena act yet. Now their popularity has dropped.

So lets stick with the facts instead of making gross generalizations and false extrapolations.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

My $90 million prediction was for 22 shows in 2010 (which would be $95 million today, considering inflation and accumulative album sales), excluding Mexico and did not involve having shows in Winnipeg and SLC put on sale MONTHS after nearby shows in Minneapolis & Denver were already on sale, despite that they were/are scheduled for the same week and/or leg. And not to mention the strong openers chosen (which weren't announced at the time) and the major difference of markets hit, which defines strategic scheduling. But of course, some people STILL like to ignore reality.

You made your prediction with the knowledge that this whole tour was being strategically scheduled, so that is not an excuse. Only in a few markets can it be said U2 were supported by a TRUE arena level draw for that market, and even then, the impact is below the arbitrary 10% level.

 

[CosmoKramer]

You made your prediction with the knowledge that this whole tour was being strategically scheduled, so that is not an excuse. Only in a few markets can it be said U2 were supported by a TRUE arena level draw for that market, and even then, the impact is below the arbitrary 10% level.

But when you are anywhere from 70-90% off from your predictions, you need to create excuses for those failed predictions.

 

[U2FanPeter]

No, but I don't know of a single show prior to 1997 that had a gross that high.

3 Tenors did $13m at Giants stadium. Billboard considers it a single headliner.

Chicago, East Lansing, and Pittsburgh are probably the only 3 shows that may not reach capacity. but I could be wrong.

Is Moncton really going to get near 100k?

I like this but I would say Minneapolis will hit closer to 70k-75k, Nashville should hit 50k and Michigan will be 50-55k (maybe lower if sales don't pick up). I also think Philadelphia has a shot at over 80k based on the sales you posted. All in all, I think your total gross & attendance are solid and would put U2 at the three quarters of a BILLION dollars!

Doesn't nashville only have 39k seats and a fairly tight football field?

I don't think Jay-Z has played arena's in Australia and New Zealand. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

I think it was Jay-Z's Oz debut. The openers debate should probably be it's own thread.

 

[Moggio]

The only openers that could qualify as arena level in the cities they opened for U2 are Muse, Black Eyed Peas, and maybe Jay-Z although I don't think Jay-Z has played arena's in Australia and New Zealand. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

You are wrong. You're almost always wrong...

Oh, by the way MOGGIO, Muse's gross for its 40 shows in North America in 2010 was only $23.3 million! Nickleback's gross in 2006 when they opened for the Stones was over $30 million. So you were wrong in claiming that Muse today was a stronger arena act than Nickleback in 2006, by a considerable margin!

Hmmm...that's because Nickelback played TWICE AS MANY SHOWS.

It should also be mentioned that although Muse opened 7 shows for U2 in South America, Muse has NEVER ever played to an arena sized crowd on its own in South America. You can't claim to be an arena act in a country when you have NEVER played an arena there in your career and your most recent performance was to theater sized crowds!

So you're saying Muse hasn't increased in popularity in South America, despite the FACT they've increased in popularity in EVERY other market they've played in the world?

Interpol, Florance And the Machine, and Lenny Kravitz are not arena acts. Hell, Lenny Kravitz supported Aerosmith and together they still could not sellout an arena in the San Francisco Bay area.

Those three are mid-level A draws in North America (meaning larger than theatre level but not quite arena level). And they are arena draws in the UK/Europe (minus Florence And The Machine)...

The Fray are not an arena act in Winnipeg, Edmonton, SLC or Denver. In Fact the Fray's popularity has decline since 2006-2007 when they were able to manage a tour in North America that had an average attendance per show of just 7,000. That was more than a theater act, but not really an arena act yet. Now their popularity has dropped.

The Fray ARE from Denver and ARE an arena draw throughout most of North America...

The Fray, Mae, OK Go
Germain Amphitheater
Columbus, Ohio
June 29, 2007
$219,463
9,890 / 20,193
1 / 0
$40, $20.50
Live Nation

The Fray, Mae, OK Go
Nikon at Jones Beach Theater
Wantagh, N.Y.
July 3, 2007
$405,260
9,662 / 13,882
1 / 0
$55.50, $25.50
Live Nation

The Fray, Gomez, Eisley Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion
The Woodlands, Texas
July 13, 2007
$284,569
9,490 /
15,809
1 /
0
$55.50, $25.50
Live Nation/in-house

The Fray, Gomez, Eisley Journal Pavilion
Albuquerque, N.M.
July 15, 2007
$142,396
8,262 /
14,996
1 /
0
$115, $20
Live Nation

The Fray, Gomez, Eisley Coors Amphitheatre
Chula Vista, Calif.
July 17, 2007
$155,520
5,815 /
8,060
1 /
0
$124.15, $20
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift Chastain Park Amphitheatre
Atlanta, Ga.
June 12, 2009
$339,495
6,398 /
6,686
1 /
0
$58.50, $33.50
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift Uptown Amphitheatre at The Music Factory
Charlotte, N.C.
June 13, 2009
$147,668
4,944 /
4,991
1 /
0
$55, $10
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift Merriweather Post Pavilion
Columbia, Md.
June 16, 2009
$274,449
7,767 /
10,000
1 /
0
$45, $25
I.M.P.

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift Darien Lake Performing Arts Center
Darien Center, N.Y.
June 17, 2009
$205,896
8,017 /
21,404
1 /
0
$55.50, $20.50
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift PNC Bank Arts Center
Holmdel, N.J.
June 19, 2009
$348,955
10,854 /
16,996
1 /
0
$66, $21.25
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift Chevrolet Theatre
Wallingford, Conn.
June 20, 2009
$132,938
3,873 /
4,353
1 /
0
$39.50, $29.50
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift Molson Amphitheatre
Toronto, Ontario
June 23, 2009
$338,803
9,368 /
10,000
1 /
0
$48.11, $9.72
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift Susquehanna Bank Center
Camden, N.J.
June 24, 2009
$467,820
19,828 /
25,281
1 /
0
$65, $20
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift DTE Energy Music Center
Clarkston, Mich.
June 27, 2009
$260,781
14,420 /
14,420
1 /
1
$49.50, $34.50, $20.50, $10.25
Live Nation/Palace Sports & Entertainment

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift First Midwest Bank Amphitheatre
Tinley Park, Ill.
June 28, 2009
$263,131
22,570 /
28,630
1 /
0
$49, $3.50
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift PNC Pavilion
Cincinnati, Ohio
June 29, 2009
$172,273
4,436 /
4,436
1 /
1
$56, $39
Live Nation

The Fray, Richard Swift, Jacks Mannequin Time Warner Cable Amphitheater at Tower City
Cleveland, Ohio
July 1, 2009
$113,065
4,841 /
6,200
1 /
0
$45.50
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Richard Swift The Lawn at White River State Park
Indianapolis, Ind.
July 2, 2009
$200,766
7,425 /
7,425
1 /
1
$32, $19.40
Live Nation/in-house

The Fray, Richard Swift, Jacks Mannequin Verizon Wireless Amphitheater St. Louis
Maryland Heights, Mo.
July 3, 2009
$212,106
12,623 /
19,988
1 /
0
$59, $14
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin Dodge Theatre
Phoenix, Ariz.
July 14, 2009
$126,350
3,642 /
4,176
1 /
0
$43.50, $8
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Meese USANA Amphitheatre
West Valley City, Utah
July 18, 2009
$192,657
12,543 /
20,000
1 /
0
$60.50, $15.50
Live Nation/United Concerts

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Meese Target Center
Minneapolis, Minn.
July 21, 2009
$249,194
7,849 /
10,483
1 /
0
$37.50, $27.50
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Meese Starlight Theatre
Kansas City, Mo.
July 22, 2009
$177,855
5,537 /
7,493
1 /
0
$55.50, $40.50
Live Nation/Mammoth/in-house

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Meese Superpages.com Center
Dallas, Texas
July 24, 2009
$277,400
11,057 /
20,063
1 /
0
$55.50, $20.50
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Meese Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion
The Woodlands, Texas
July 25, 2009
$298,869
12,175 /
16,042
1 /
0
$55.50, $20.50
Live Nation/in-house

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Vedera Cricket Wireless Amphitheatre
Chula Vista, Calif.
July 28, 2009
$138,646
7,895 /
9,665
1 /
0
$49.50, $5.25
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Vedera Verizon Wireless Amphitheater
Irvine, Calif.
July 29, 2009
$282,485
14,980 /
15,003
1 /
0
$49.50, $5
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Vedera Santa Barbara Bowl
Santa Barbara, Calif.
July 31, 2009
$147,837
3,692 /
4,558
1 /
0
$49.50, $25.50
Nederlander Concerts

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Vedera Shoreline Amphitheatre
Mountain View, Calif.
Aug. 1, 2009
$303,403
16,270 /
22,021
1 /
0
$64, $14
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Vedera, Reverb UBC Thunderbird Arena
Vancouver, British Columbia
Aug. 5, 2009
$146,995
4,867 /
5,218
1 /
0
$46.34, $23.17
Live Nation

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Vedera Paramount Theatre
Seattle, Wash.
Aug. 6, 2009
$122,672
2,811 /
2,811
1 /
1
$52.50, $42
Live Nation/in-house

The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Vedera INB Performing Arts Center
Spokane, Wash.
Aug. 7, 2009
$105,390
2,512 /
2,512
1 /
1
$45
Live Nation

So lets stick with the facts instead of making gross generalizations and false extrapolations.

Let's...

 

[Moggio]

You made your prediction with the knowledge that this whole tour was being strategically scheduled, so that is not an excuse.

The actual dates were NOT released yet. WHERE the dates are scheduled (and in U2's case, WHEN they went on sale) define strategic scheduling.

Only in a few markets can it be said U2 were supported by a TRUE arena level draw for that market, and even then, the impact is below the arbitrary 10% level.

But when you are anywhere from 70-90% off from your predictions, you need to create excuses for those failed predictions.

ONCE AGAIN...

My $90 million prediction was for 22 shows in 2010 (which would be $95 million today, considering inflation and accumulative album sales), excluding Mexico and did not involve having shows in Winnipeg and SLC put on sale MONTHS after nearby shows in Minneapolis & Denver were already on sale, despite that they were/are scheduled for the same week and/or leg. And not to mention the strong openers chosen (which weren't announced at the time) and the major difference of markets hit, which defines strategic scheduling. But of course, some people STILL like to ignore reality.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

The actual dates were NOT released yet. WHERE the dates are scheduled (and in U2's case, WHEN they went on sale) define strategic scheduling.
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All the first leg dates had been released which is enough when doing an estimate. We knew the 20 shows they would have on the first leg and that there would be a second leg to play the other major markets not played on the first leg, as well as to return to any major markets from the first leg where demand had not been fully met. So the fact that we did not know the exact lay out of the 2nd leg is irrelevant.

Its not like you didn't know that U2 would be visiting places like Philadelphia, San Francisco, Seattle, Montreal, Miami etc. Based on what U2 were doing on the first leg, you estimated that the most they could gross on the 2nd leg was $90 million! No matter how you stack it, thats way off of what the 2nd leg gross is going to be.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

The Fray ARE from Denver and ARE an arena draw throughout most of North America...


[/SIZE]The Fray, Jacks Mannequin, Meese USANA Amphitheatre
West Valley City, Utah
July 18, 2009
$192,657
12,543 /
20,000
1 /
0
$60.50, $15.50
Live Nation/United Concerts

...

The Fray are opening four shows for U2 in Winnipeg, Edmonton, Denver and Salt Lake City Utah.

The only relevant boxscore you posted is the one above. From that we learn that The Fray grossed $192,657 dollars. Even if we were to believe they could bring that much money to the gross of a U2 show, thats only 3.8% of what U2 will likely gross in Salt Lake City.

Another interesting thing about the Fray's show in Utah. Check out the gross relative to the attendance. If you divide the gross by the attendance in order to get the average ticket price, you get:

$15.36

Since 12,000 people were only willing to pay an average of $15 dollars to see the Fray in concert, how many of those fans were willing to pay an average of around $100 dollars to see the Fray open for U2?

Where are the Denver results? Did they even play Colorado? Results from Vancouver show that they are likely nothing more than a theater act in places like Edmonton, and Winnipeg.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

You are wrong. You're almost always wrong...



Hmmm...that's because Nickelback played TWICE AS MANY SHOWS.



So you're saying Muse hasn't increased in popularity in South America, despite the FACT they've increased in popularity in EVERY other market they've played in the world?



Those three are mid-level A draws in North America (meaning larger than theatre level but not quite arena level). And they are arena draws in the UK/Europe (minus Florence And The Machine)...



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Well, everyone but Moggio is wrong in Moggio's fantasy world. But no one in the real world agrees with many of Moggio's ideas and theory's.

Nickleback's total in 2006 outgrossed what Muse did in 2010. Nickleback was bigger in North America in 2006 than Muse was in 2010. You claimed that Muse was bigger in 2010 than Nickleback was in 2006, and the total gross results prove that to be FALSE! Yet, its not a surprise that you won't admit you were wrong.

As for South America, I'm saying that the evidence from that continent shows that Muse is a THEATER act there. Just because your popularity may have increased, does not mean that you have suddenly vaulted from being a theater act to an arena act! LOL LOL LOL

But in terms of factual data, there is nothing from SOUTH AMERICA that shows that Muse's popularity has increased at all. Until there is factual album sale data from South America or boxscore results from South America showing that, you can't run around making that claim if you want to be taken seriously. Popularity is a two way street. It can go up and down. While popularity can be exploding in one region or country, it can be decreasing in another.

Do you have recent boxscore information showing that Interpol, Florance And The Machine, and Lenny Kravitz are more than a theater act in North America. If Lenny Kravitz was more than a theater act in North America, he wouldn't have been supporting Aerosmith on an arena tour.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

I still find it hard to imagine Moggio as a real person. It just doesn't make sense. Do you get paid for arguing on this site, my dear friend Moggio?

 

[Moggio]

All the first leg dates had been released which is enough when doing an estimate.

How is that the case, since NONE of the second North American leg markets were announced at the time the first North American leg dates were announced, especially looking at WHICH markets were chosen and WHEN they were put on sale?

We knew the 20 shows they would have on the first leg and that there would be a second leg to play the other major markets not played on the first leg, as well as to return to any major markets from the first leg where demand had not been fully met.

We knew there would be additional dates, yes. BUT I certainly did not think they would schedule return engagements, as my predicted schedule clearly shows. And if what you're saying is true, how come you didn't make a second North American leg prediction?

So the fact that we did not know the exact lay out of the 2nd leg is irrelevant.

Absolute horseshit. Especially because of the way the 360 tour has been scheduled.

Its not like you didn't know that U2 would be visiting places like Philadelphia, San Francisco, Seattle, Montreal, Miami etc. Based on what U2 were doing on the first leg, you estimated that the most they could gross on the 2nd leg was $90 million! No matter how you stack it, thats way off of what the 2nd leg gross is going to be.

ONCE AGAIN...

My $90 million prediction was for 22 shows in 2010 (which would be $95 million today, considering inflation and accumulative album sales), excluding Mexico and did not involve having shows in Winnipeg and SLC put on sale MONTHS after nearby shows in Minneapolis & Denver were already on sale, despite that they were/are scheduled for the same week and/or leg. And not to mention the strong openers chosen (which weren't announced at the time) and the major difference of markets hit, which defines strategic scheduling. But of course, you STILL like to ignore and deny reality.

 

[U2FanPeter]

Well, everyone but Moggio is wrong in Moggio's fantasy world. But no one in the real world agrees with many of Moggio's ideas and theory's.

Nickleback's total in 2006 outgrossed what Muse did in 2010. Nickleback was bigger in North America in 2006 than Muse was in 2010. You claimed that Muse was bigger in 2010 than Nickleback was in 2006, and the total gross results prove that to be FALSE! Yet, its not a surprise that you won't admit you were wrong.

As for South America, I'm saying that the evidence from that continent shows that Muse is a THEATER act there. Just because your popularity may have increased, does not mean that you have suddenly vaulted from being a theater act to an arena act! LOL LOL LOL

But in terms of factual data, there is nothing from SOUTH AMERICA that shows that Muse's popularity has increased at all. Until there is factual album sale data from South America or boxscore results from South America showing that, you can't run around making that claim if you want to be taken seriously. Popularity is a two way street. It can go up and down. While popularity can be exploding in one region or country, it can be decreasing in another.

Do you have recent boxscore information showing that Interpol, Florance And The Machine, and Lenny Kravitz are more than a theater act in North America. If Lenny Kravitz was more than a theater act in North America, he wouldn't have been supporting Aerosmith on an arena tour.

The opener/strategic debate should be it's own thread as this thread should be directly about 360 boxscores.

Muse numbers in latin country numers are inconclusive(has any "western"(Euroe or stateside) act done and arena tour on the continent and Flo & Mach boxscores won't be known until closer to the end of summer.

 

[Moggio]

The Fray are opening four shows for U2 in Winnipeg, Edmonton, Denver and Salt Lake City Utah.

The only relevant boxscore you posted is the one above.

They're ALL relevant. Because they show a) you're wrong when saying they're not really an arena draw and b) provide compelling evidence showing you're wrong about how they don't contribute to the overall gross per show.

From that we learn that The Fray grossed $192,657 dollars. Even if we were to believe they could bring that much money to the gross of a U2 show, thats only 3.8% of what U2 will likely gross in Salt Lake City.

In order to come up with a figure of 3.8%, you'd already have to know the SLC gross. But you don't because it obviously hasn't been released yet.

Another interesting thing about the Fray's show in Utah. Check out the gross relative to the attendance. If you divide the gross by the attendance in order to get the average ticket price, you get:

$15.36

Since 12,000 people were only willing to pay an average of $15 dollars to see the Fray in concert, how many of those fans were willing to pay an average of around $100 dollars to see the Fray open for U2?

I'm perfectly aware of The Fray's 2009 SLC show average price. In fact, I TAUGHT you the relation between gross and attendance, student. But who says the SLC average price is $100? If it comes out to that, then nearly 2,000 fans of course. If it comes out closer to $80, which is more likely, then nearly 3,000 fans of course.

Where are the Denver results? Did they even play Colorado?

The Fray are from Denver, genius. They headlined Red Rocks Amphitheater in 2007 and then they were second on the bill of the second day of the Mile High Music Festival in 2009, which was held in a 26,000 capacity stadium. So, we don't need a boxscore from any local show to figure out they can draw REALLY well there.

Results from Vancouver show that they are likely nothing more than a theater act in places like Edmonton, and Winnipeg.

Hardly.

 

[Moggio]

Well, everyone but Moggio is wrong in Moggio's fantasy world. But no one in the real world agrees with many of Moggio's ideas and theory's.

I've provided MOUNTAINS of compelling evidence and/or proof backing up every point I've made. But of course, you KEEP ignoring that.

Nickleback's total in 2006 outgrossed what Muse did in 2010. Nickleback was bigger in North America in 2006 than Muse was in 2010. You claimed that Muse was bigger in 2010 than Nickleback was in 2006, and the total gross results prove that to be FALSE! Yet, its not a surprise that you won't admit you were wrong.

I wasn't wrong. Let's go over this AGAIN...

Nickelback played TWICE AS MANY SHOWS as Muse did. That's a perfectly logical explanation.

As for South America, I'm saying that the evidence from that continent shows that Muse is a THEATER act there. Just because your popularity may have increased, does not mean that you have suddenly vaulted from being a theater act to an arena act! LOL LOL LOL

But in terms of factual data, there is nothing from SOUTH AMERICA that shows that Muse's popularity has increased at all. Until there is factual album sale data from South America or boxscore results from South America showing that, you can't run around making that claim if you want to be taken seriously. Popularity is a two way street. It can go up and down. While popularity can be exploding in one region or country, it can be decreasing in another.

But Muse have increased in popularity in EVERY other part of the world! So, it's also a perfectly logical conclusion. But you're STILL saying Muse hasn't increased in popularity in South America, despite the FACT they've increased in popularity in EVERY other market they've played in the world?

Do you have recent boxscore information showing that Interpol, Florance And The Machine, and Lenny Kravitz are more than a theater act in North America.

Like I said, those three are mid-level A draws in North America (meaning larger than theatre level but not quite arena level). And they are arena draws in the UK/Europe (minus Florence And The Machine). Tour schedules and boxscores clearly show this...

If Lenny Kravitz was more than a theater act in North America, he wouldn't have been supporting Aerosmith on an arena tour.

That's not necessarily true. And in this case, it's not.

 

[spookyz]

Are you serious? All these boxscores prove how irrelevant The Fray are for U2's figures.

Here's another one from Edmonton:

The Fray
Francis Winspear Centre
Edmonton, Alberta
Feb. 21, 2010
$71,164
1,550 / 1,550
1 / 1
$47.61, $36.07
Live Nation

 

[spookyz]

Here's what Interpol achieved on their own in the markets they will open for U2:

Interpol, Twin Tigers, The Postelles House of Blues
Atlantic City, N.J.
July 31, 2010
$28,741
841 /
2,370
1 /
0
$37.50, $32.50
House of Blues/C3 Presents/Harrah’s

Interpol, School of Seven Bells Riviera Theatre
Chicago, Ill.
Feb. 12, 2011
$72,500
2,500 /
2,500
1 /
1
$29
Jam Productions

Interpol, School of Seven Bells
Metropolis
Montreal, Quebec
Feb. 16, 2011
$72,222
2,186 / 2,250
1 / 0
$35.43, $32.90
evenko/Greenland Productions


Interpol
Lotto Arena
Antwerp, Belgium
March 16, 2011
$164,940
5,197 /
5,409
1 /
0
$41.84, $34.87

 

[spookyz]

Like I said, those three are mid-level A draws in North America (meaning larger than theatre level but not quite arena level). And they are arena draws in the UK/Europe (minus Florence And The Machine). Tour schedules and boxscores clearly show this...

Tour schedules clearly show this? Here's Interpol's European tour.
They haven't played a single arena sized venue (10,000+).

11.12.2010Lisbon Campo Pequeno•Lisbon
Tickets11.13.2010Palacio Vistalegre•Madrid
Tickets11.14.2010San Jordi Club•Barcelona
Tickets11.16.2010Dock Du Sud•Marseille
Tickets11.17.2010Palasharp•Milan
Tickets11.18.2010Gasometer•Vienna
Tickets11.20.2010Tempodrom•Berlin
Tickets11.21.2010Heineken Music Hall•Amsterdam
Tickets11.22.2010Westfalenhalle 2•Dortmund
Tickets11.24.2010Rock City•Nottingham
Tickets11.25.2010Academy•Newcastle
Tickets11.26.2010Academy•Birmingham
Tickets11.27.2010Corn Exchange•Edinburgh
Tickets11.29.2010Olympia•Dublin
Tickets11.30.2010Olympia•Dublin
Tickets12.01.2010Olympia•Dublin
Tickets12.03.2010Apollo•Manchester
Tickets12.04.2010Uni•Liverpool
Tickets12.06.2010Brixton•London
Tickets12.07.2010Brixton•London
Tickets03.03.2011Docks•Hamburg
Tickets03.06.2011Sentrum Scene•Oslo
Tickets03.07.2011Cirkus•Stockholm
Tickets03.08.2011KB Hall•Copenhagen
Tickets03.10.2011Aueensee•Leipzig
Tickets03.11.2011Rokhall•Luxembourg
Tickets03.12.2011Kesselhaus•Munich
Tickets03.14.2011Komplex•Zurich
Tickets03.15.2011Zenith•Paris
Tickets03.16.2011Lotto Arena•Antwerp

And here's one boxscore from Belgium:

Interpol
Lotto Arena
Antwerp, Belgium
March 16, 2011
$164,940
5,197 /
5,409
1 /
0
$41.84, $34.87

 

[coolian2]

this is actually the single silliest argument i've seen on interference.

i can't believe you guys keep feeding moggio, the only person in the known universe to troll a tour box score forum for fun.

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

moggio, this is beyond ridiculous. i had said drama from the closed thread could not carry into other threads, yet now you're in here discussing things completely irrelevant to this topic. the thread is about u2's box scores for 360, nothing else.

also, altering quotes is completely against the rules. changing maoilbheannacht's name to "the compulsive liar" is totally unacceptable.

if you wish to continue posting here, i suggest you familiarise yourself with our rules: http://www.u2interference.com/forums/misc.php?do=sknetwork&page=rules

 

[CosmoKramer]

Here's what Interpol achieved on their own in the markets they will open for U2:

Interpol, Twin Tigers, The Postelles House of Blues
Atlantic City, N.J.
July 31, 2010
$28,741
841 /
2,370
1 /
0
$37.50, $32.50
House of Blues/C3 Presents/Harrah’s

I just cannot imagine anyone insinuating that Interpol are going to contribute 10% to the Giants Stadium show based on the above!!!

 

[CosmoKramer]

I'm perfectly aware of The Fray's 2009 SLC show average price. In fact, I TAUGHT you the relation between gross and attendance, student. But who says the SLC average price is $100? If it comes out to that, then nearly 2,000 fans of course. If it comes out closer to $80, which is more likely, then nearly 3,000 fans of course.

The Fray are from Denver, genius. They headlined Red Rocks Amphitheater in 2007 and then they were second on the bill of the second day of the Mile High Music Festival in 2009, which was held in a 26,000 capacity stadium. So, we don't need a boxscore from any local show to figure out they can draw REALLY well there.

I find it inconceivable that you are stating that if the avg price in SLC is $100 that 2,000 people will be there for the Fray. That would mean that 17% of the Frays audience from there Utah show would be willing to pay 6 1/2 times the price of a Fray ticket to hear 1/3 of the songs. Not to mention, they grossed $192,000 at THEIR OWN SHOW but according to you, 2000 people would have paid $100 a ticket, which is $200,000..... $8,000 MORE then what they brought in. Also, if the average ticket price is $80, then according to you 3,000 people would show up just for them and they would contribute $240,000, which would be 22% MORE then they brought in at THEIR OWN SHOW.

Someone should tell Live Nation/The Fray that they are much bigger then they think they are. In fact, they will make more money if the tour with other bands!

As for their draw in Denver, how can you possibly determine their real drawing power when they were 2nd on a bill of 23 acts for a FESTIVAL!

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Not to mention, they grossed $192,000 at THEIR OWN SHOW but according to you, 2000 people would have paid $100 a ticket, which is $200,000..... $8,000 MORE then what they brought in. Also, if the average ticket price is $80, then according to you 3,000 people would show up just for them and they would contribute $240,000, which would be 22% MORE then they brought in at THEIR OWN SHOW.

Great point! Moggio needs to be more careful in his assessments and what he decides to defend. This is grossly indefensible and its funny as hell to watch Moggio try and defend it.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Are you serious? All these boxscores prove how irrelevant The Fray are for U2's figures.

Here's another one from Edmonton:

The Fray
Francis Winspear Centre
Edmonton, Alberta
Feb. 21, 2010
$71,164
1,550 / 1,550
1 / 1
$47.61, $36.07
Live Nation

How do you explain this one MOGGIO? If U2 gross $6 million from their Edmonton show, The Fray's $71,164 would be a 1.2% contribution. That of course assumes that all 1,550 fans would be willing to play DOUBLE the ticket price to see The Fray open for U2.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

I wasn't wrong. Let's go over this AGAIN...

Nickelback played TWICE AS MANY SHOWS as Muse did. That's a perfectly logical explanation.


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If Muse could play more shows, they would have. They didn't. The more popular artist are able to play more shows because the DEMAND is there for more shows. Also, you claimed that MUSE was more popular than Nickleback was in 2006. There is nothing that would indicate that at all form the figures.

 

[CosmoKramer]

3 Tenors did $13m at Giants stadium. Billboard considers it a single headliner.

Is Moncton really going to get near 100k?

Doesn't nashville only have 39k seats and a fairly tight football field?

I think it was Jay-Z's Oz debut. The openers debate should probably be it's own thread.

For some reason I thought that Nashville had 44k seats plus the field but I was mistaken. 45/46k might be right on, given the size of the field and turn out to be the 2nd most intimate North American show(to answer your question from a few pages back).

I would think of the 3 Tenors as three acts but if billboard considers them one...so be it. Adjusted for inflation, that is one hell of a gross!

It was initially said by the local town reps that they would cap it at 100k as that was the expectation. I think it will end up being close to that (90-100k).

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

They're ALL relevant. Because they show a) you're wrong when saying they're not really an arena draw and b) provide compelling evidence showing you're wrong about how they don't contribute to the overall gross per show.



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To be considered an arena draw, you need to be averaging over 10,000 in attendance and $500,000 in gross per show. The Fray failed to do that.

The Fray are from Denver, genius. They headlined Red Rocks Amphitheater in 2007 and then they were second on the bill of the second day of the Mile High Music Festival in 2009, which was held in a 26,000 capacity stadium. So, we don't need a boxscore from any local show to figure out they can draw REALLY well there.

You play festivals when you can't draw the fans on your own.

In order to come up with a figure of 3.8%, you'd already have to know the SLC gross. But you don't because it obviously hasn't been released yet.



I'm perfectly aware of The Fray's 2009 SLC show average price. In fact, I TAUGHT you the relation between gross and attendance, student. But who says the SLC average price is $100? If it comes out to that, then nearly 2,000 fans of course. If it comes out closer to $80, which is more likely, then nearly 3,000 fans of course.

I estimated the gross form U2's SLC show would be $5 million. The SLC price could be $90 or it could be nearly $100 or a $100 as so many of the shows have been. These are very reasonable estimates.

There are few people out there that would be willing to pay $100 dollars to see a band that they had just recently paid to see for only $15 dollars.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

How is that the case, since NONE of the second North American leg markets were announced at the time the first North American leg dates were announced, especially looking at WHICH markets were chosen and WHEN they were put on sale?



We knew there would be additional dates, yes. BUT I certainly did not think they would schedule return engagements, as my predicted schedule clearly shows. And if what you're saying is true, how come you didn't make a second North American leg prediction?



Absolute horseshit. Especially because of the way the 360 tour has been scheduled.


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1. Its not a secret of what the major North American Cities are and where a stadium tour in 360 would play. We knew the 1st leg, and based on that the 2nd leg was obvious. Yes, there may have been a few dates that would be different, but overall, you could make an estimate of the gross and you estimated $90 million which is going to be WAY OFF!

2. Yes, I know, your prediction was wrong in believing there be no return dates.

3. You already knew how the tour was being scheduled based on the released first leg tour dates. No, you wouldn't know the exact schedule, but you don't have to know the exact schedule to make an estimate. Your estimate was $90 million and it is WAY OFF of what the actual results are going to be!

 

[nielsgov]

I still find it hard to imagine Moggio as a real person. It just doesn't make sense. Do you get paid for arguing on this site, my dear friend Moggio?

He's actually pretty funny in his own special way.

 

[prbiker15]

U2 set to break local attendance record at 1st Canadian tour stop in Winnipeg - Canada Music | Examiner.com

Rolling Stones drew 50,815 fans in 1994 - Voodoo Lounge Tour. As said above, U2 are expected to break that record tonight.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

U2 set to break local attendance record at 1st Canadian tour stop in Winnipeg - Canada Music | Examiner.com

Rolling Stones drew 50,815 fans in 1994 - Voodoo Lounge Tour. As said above, U2 are expected to break that record tonight.

Billboard has the following Boxscore for that Rolling Stones show:

August 23, 1994
Winnipeg, Canada
Winnipeg Stadium
GROSS: $1,720,849
ATTENDANCE: 50,397
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $34.15

I don't know where they are getting 50,815 from.


The Rolling Stones have only played Winnipeg, or in fact anywhere in Manitoba, one other time in their 50 year career! Here are the results of the 2nd show they played there:

September 30, 1997
Winnipeg Canada
Winnipeg Stadium
GROSS: $1,575,160
ATTENDANCE: 34,685
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 0
Average Ticket Price: $45.41

U2's GROSS tonight will be more than both Rolling Stones shows combined EVEN when adjusting for inflation!