The Best Selling Albums released after January 1, 2000 WORLDWIDE!

[MJDangerous]

I've taken another look, and I would agree with 22 million in sales. I don't agree though with making presumptions about what an album sales when it is not actually charted in various countries. Unless there is excellent data on catalog sales, like there is for the top 50 Catalog chart in the USA, I think one should avoid making estimates of sales for uncharted albums and wait for certifications.

A lot of albums sold nearly nothing 3-4 years after their releases, but Come Away With Me is really selling pretty well everywhere. If it is not charted it's many times because it is not elligible anymore.
But take a look at his positions this week :

- #23 in the US Catalog chart
- #70 in the global chart in UK
- #6 in the French Catalog chart (it was #1 last month)
- #1 the Dutch Catalog chart (since at least 5 weeks, already 104 weeks charted in the catalog chart!)
- #37 in the global chart in Argentina
- #59 in the global chart in Austria
- #57 in the global chart in Ireland
- #5 in the Belgium (NL) Catalog chart
- #8 in the Belgium (FR) Catalog chart

It is more than 4 years old!

 

[MJDangerous]

So, now Eminem - The Eminem Show.

USA : 9.5 millions according to soundscan only, he is a massive seller throught music clubs, I don't know why it still 8xPlatinum since the beginning of 2003, it sold around 11 millions.

Canada : Diamond since 2003, at least 1.2 million.

It sold at least 150.000 copies in Brazil.

Certified at 20.000 in Argentina since 2002.

Estimated sales of 13.000.000 albums minimum in America.


In Europe... Certified 4xPlatinum since 2003.
- UK : 1.435.000 copies sold (shops only).
- France : 786.000 copies sold.
- Germany : 700.000.
- Sweden : 120.000.
- Netherland : 80.000
- Italia : 300.000
- Spain : 200.000
- Denmark : 100.000
- Austria : 60.000
- Belgium : 75.000
- Switzerland : 120.000
- Portugal : 40.000
- Poland : 50.000
- Finland : 62.000

Estimated sales of 4.500.000 albums minimum in Europe.


Japan : 600.000
South Korea : 220.000
Australia : 600.000
NZ : 120.000

Massive selling album in Asia, impressive in Oceania too, we can add 3.5 millions for all the sales out of America/Europe.

Total sales of 21.000.000 copies sold.

 

[STING2]

So, now Eminem - The Eminem Show.

USA : 9.5 millions according to soundscan only, he is a massive seller throught music clubs, I don't know why it still 8xPlatinum since the beginning of 2003, it sold around 11 millions.

Canada : Diamond since 2003, at least 1.2 million.

It sold at least 150.000 copies in Brazil.

Certified at 20.000 in Argentina since 2002.

Estimated sales of 13.000.000 albums minimum in America.


In Europe... Certified 4xPlatinum since 2003.
- UK : 1.435.000 copies sold (shops only).
- France : 786.000 copies sold.
- Germany : 700.000.
- Sweden : 120.000.
- Netherland : 80.000
- Italia : 300.000
- Spain : 200.000
- Denmark : 100.000
- Austria : 60.000
- Belgium : 75.000
- Switzerland : 120.000
- Portugal : 40.000
- Poland : 50.000
- Finland : 62.000

Estimated sales of 4.500.000 albums minimum in Europe.


Japan : 600.000
South Korea : 220.000
Australia : 600.000
NZ : 120.000

Massive selling album in Asia, impressive in Oceania too, we can add 3.5 millions for all the sales out of America/Europe.

Total sales of 21.000.000 copies sold.

Do you have a link for the USA Soundscan info? I think I see a case for 18 or 19 million in sales, but not 21 million.

 

[MJDangerous]

18 or 19 millions will be to low, it sold 17.5 millions in Europe + America only and it's a massive seller everywhere in Asia and in Oceania too.

About Soundscan, they are the best selling albums 1991-2005 (sales in 2006 are missing) :

1 1 15,355 77 SHANIA TWAIN - COME ON OVER
2 3 14,545 291 METALLICA - METALLICA
3 2 14,453 100 ALANIS MORISSETTE - JAGGED LITTLE PILL
4 4 12,083 13 BACKSTREET BOYS - MILLENNIUM
5 5 11,778 16 THE BODYGUARD - SOUNDTRACK
6 6 11,530 93 SANTANA - SUPERNATURAL
7 7 11,463 41 CREED - HUMAN CLAY
8 8 11,093 8 N SYNC - NO STRINGS ATTACHED
9 9 10,728 44 CELINE DION - FALLING INTO YOU
10 10 10,519 11 BRITNEY SPEARS - BABY ONE MORE TIME
11 14 10,370 472 THE BEATLES - 1
12 11 10,103 19 HOOTIE & THE BLOWFISH - CRACKED REAR VIEW
13 12 10,084 10 BACKSTREET BOYS - BACKSTREET BOYS
14 13 10,076 19 TITANIC - SOUNDTRACK
15 15 9,919 196 EMINEM - MARSHALL MATHERS LP
16 21 9,649 516 NORAH JONES - COME AWAY WITH ME
17 16 9,565 29 GARTH BROOKS - ROPIN' THE WIND
18 18 9,519 193 EMINEM - EMINEM SHOW

 

[STING2]

18 or 19 millions will be to low, it sold 17.5 millions in Europe + America only and it's a massive seller everywhere in Asia and in Oceania too.

About Soundscan, they are the best selling albums 1991-2005 (sales in 2006 are missing) :

1 1 15,355 77 SHANIA TWAIN - COME ON OVER
2 3 14,545 291 METALLICA - METALLICA
3 2 14,453 100 ALANIS MORISSETTE - JAGGED LITTLE PILL
4 4 12,083 13 BACKSTREET BOYS - MILLENNIUM
5 5 11,778 16 THE BODYGUARD - SOUNDTRACK
6 6 11,530 93 SANTANA - SUPERNATURAL
7 7 11,463 41 CREED - HUMAN CLAY
8 8 11,093 8 N SYNC - NO STRINGS ATTACHED
9 9 10,728 44 CELINE DION - FALLING INTO YOU
10 10 10,519 11 BRITNEY SPEARS - BABY ONE MORE TIME
11 14 10,370 472 THE BEATLES - 1
12 11 10,103 19 HOOTIE & THE BLOWFISH - CRACKED REAR VIEW
13 12 10,084 10 BACKSTREET BOYS - BACKSTREET BOYS
14 13 10,076 19 TITANIC - SOUNDTRACK
15 15 9,919 196 EMINEM - MARSHALL MATHERS LP
16 21 9,649 516 NORAH JONES - COME AWAY WITH ME
17 16 9,565 29 GARTH BROOKS - ROPIN' THE WIND
18 18 9,519 193 EMINEM - EMINEM SHOW

I'd say its only done about 16.5 million in the America's and Europe. As for Asia and Oceania, I'd say more like 2.5 million at most. So 19 million total. Lets move on to Britney Spears.


1. Beatles: 1 : 30,000,000+
2. Norah Jones : Come Away With Me : 22,000,000
3. Eminem: The Marshall Mathers LP : 19,000,000
4. Eminem : The Eminem Show : 19,000,000
5. Britney Spears: Oops!....I Did It Again : 18,000,000
6. Linkin Park: Hybrid Theory : 16,000,000
7. Usher : Confessions : 14,000,000
8. Dido: No Angel : 14,000,000
9. Avril Lavigne: Let Go : 13,500,000
10. Evanescence: Fallen : 13,500,000
11. N'Sync: No Strings Attached : 13,000,000
12. Green Day : American Idiot : 13,000,000
13. Madonna : Music : 13,000,000
14. Enya: A Day Without Rain : 13,000,000
15. U2 : ALL THAT YOU CAN'T LEAVE BEHIND: 12,000,000
16. Backstreet Boys : Black And Blue : 12,000,000
17. Dido : Life For Rent : 12,000,000
18. Shakira: Laundry Service : 11,000,000
19. Limp Bizkit: Chocolate Starfish : 11,000,000
20. Pink: M!SSUNDAZTOOD : 11,000,000
21. Shaggy: Hotshot : 10,500,000
22. Norah Jones : Feels Like Home : 10,000,000
23. Moby : Play : 10,000,000
24. Coldplay : A Rush Of Blood To The Head : 10,000,000

 

[MJDangerous]

I'd say its only done about 16.5 million in the America's and Europe. As for Asia and Oceania, I'd say more like 2.5 million at most. So 19 million total. Lets move on to Britney Spears.

Japan represent at least 70% of total Asian sales. But when this is about Foreign acts, Japan sales equal to 20-30% of their sales because it's a country much more closed to foreign music than the others.
An album which sold 600k in Japan is very likely to have sold over 2 millions in Asia only

And yes I will do Britney Spears soon (so sad such horrible acts with amazing sales )

 

[STING2]

Japan represent at least 70% of total Asian sales. But when this is about Foreign acts, Japan sales equal to 20-30% of their sales because it's a country much more closed to foreign music than the others.
An album which sold 600k in Japan is very likely to have sold over 2 millions in Asia only

And yes I will do Britney Spears soon (so sad such horrible acts with amazing sales )

I understand that very well could be the case, but it might not be. If you have certifications beyond Japan in Asia that add up to the extra 2 million, then I would certainly add it in.

 

[MJDangerous]

I understand that very well could be the case, but it might not be. If you have certifications beyond Japan in Asia that add up to the extra 2 million, then I would certainly add it in.

I have see his peaks in Asia about 1 year ago and they very impressive, tons of #1's with many success in Singapour, Hong Kong, Philipinnes etc... Since many time I can't found them again and of course I have not certifications for those countries so for the estimation of this album it's like you want. At least 19m is already more realistic than 16m!

Britney Spears - Oops...

USA : Almost 9.2 millions according to soundscan only, he is a massive seller throught music clubs with 1.21 million albums sold throught BMG alone (40% of music clubs), It was certified in 2005 ridiculously 10xPlatinum, I think that it sold around 12 millions, to be conservative I will say 11.5 millions.

Canada : Certified 5xPlatinum since his release (!) at the same time that it was certified 4xP in USA. At least 1 million copies sold.

She is particulary massive in South America, even In The Zone sold at least 200.000 copies in Brazil, according to various source Oops sold 500.000 copies in this country, and 700.000 in Mexico.

Certified at 40.000 in Argentina.

Estimated sales of 14.000.000 albums minimum in America.


In Europe... Certified 4xPlatinum since 2001.
- UK : 900.000 copies sold (shops only)
- France : 420.000 copies sold
- Germany : almost 1.000.000
- Sweden : over 100.000
- Netherland : 200.000
- Italia : 200.000
- Spain : 200.000
- Denmark : 120.000
- Austria : 60.000
- Belgium : 150.000
- Switzerland : 100.000
- Portugal : 60.000
- Poland : 100.000
- Finland : 62.000
- Greece : 25.000
- Ireland : 75.000
- Norway : 60.000
- Finland : 53.000

Estimated sales of 4.300.000 albums minimum in Europe.


Japan : at least 400.000
South Korea : 230.000
Idonesia : 200.000
Malaysia : 100.000
Indonesia : 200.000
Philipinnes : 160.000
Hong Kong : 150.000
Thailand : 100.000
Australia : 210.000
NZ : 30.000
South Africa : 50.000

If you have follow chart performances of her Greatest Hits in Asia you know how big she is, maybe even more than Eminem. She is not as huge in Oceania though. Only in those countries they are 1.8 millions albums sold (and they are not always updated by far). Countries like China are missing. Estimated sales of of America/Europe of almost 3 millions.

Total sales of 21.000.000 copies sold.

 

[STING2]

I have see his peaks in Asia about 1 year ago and they very impressive, tons of #1's with many success in Singapour, Hong Kong, Philipinnes etc... Since many time I can't found them again and of course I have not certifications for those countries so for the estimation of this album it's like you want. At least 19m is already more realistic than 16m!

Britney Spears - Oops...

USA : Almost 9.2 millions according to soundscan only, he is a massive seller throught music clubs with 1.21 million albums sold throught BMG alone (40% of music clubs), It was certified in 2005 ridiculously 10xPlatinum, I think that it sold around 12 millions, to be conservative I will say 11.5 millions.

Canada : Certified 5xPlatinum since his release (!) at the same time that it was certified 4xP in USA. At least 1 million copies sold.

She is particulary massive in South America, even In The Zone sold at least 200.000 copies in Brazil, according to various source Oops sold 500.000 copies in this country, and 700.000 in Mexico.

Certified at 40.000 in Argentina.

Estimated sales of 14.000.000 albums minimum in America.


In Europe... Certified 4xPlatinum since 2001.
- UK : 900.000 copies sold (shops only)
- France : 420.000 copies sold
- Germany : almost 1.000.000
- Sweden : over 100.000
- Netherland : 200.000
- Italia : 200.000
- Spain : 200.000
- Denmark : 120.000
- Austria : 60.000
- Belgium : 150.000
- Switzerland : 100.000
- Portugal : 60.000
- Poland : 100.000
- Finland : 62.000
- Greece : 25.000
- Ireland : 75.000
- Norway : 60.000
- Finland : 53.000

Estimated sales of 4.300.000 albums minimum in Europe.


Japan : at least 400.000
South Korea : 230.000
Idonesia : 200.000
Malaysia : 100.000
Indonesia : 200.000
Philipinnes : 160.000
Hong Kong : 150.000
Thailand : 100.000
Australia : 210.000
NZ : 30.000
South Africa : 50.000

If you have follow chart performances of her Greatest Hits in Asia you know how big she is, maybe even more than Eminem. She is not as huge in Oceania though. Only in those countries they are 1.8 millions albums sold (and they are not always updated by far). Countries like China are missing. Estimated sales of of America/Europe of almost 3 millions.

Total sales of 21.000.000 copies sold.

RIAA to me is solid on this. Typically if an artist has sold 12 million copies, they will be certified for 12 million. RIAA has her at 10 million from just last year, so that is the figure I'm going with. I'm also not going to extrapolate Canadian sales based on USA sales, so going by CRIA, she is at 500,000 in Canada.

So thats 10.5 million total for United States and Canada. Where did you get the figure of 700,000 for Mexico? Is it a certification or just an estimate or a claim? Is the 500,000 figure for Brazil based on certifications?

Even if those figures are correct, it puts the figure at about 12 million for all of the America's.

With 4 million in sales in Europe and another 2 million in Asia and Oceania, that is 6 million. So the total is the same as what I have at 18 million, so I'm going to leave the figure where it is.

 

[MJDangerous]

RIAA to me is solid on this. Typically if an artist has sold 12 million copies, they will be certified for 12 million. RIAA has her at 10 million from just last year, so that is the figure I'm going with. I'm also not going to extrapolate Canadian sales based on USA sales, so going by CRIA, she is at 500,000 in Canada.

So thats 10.5 million total for United States and Canada. Where did you get the figure of 700,000 for Mexico? Is it a certification or just an estimate or a claim? Is the 500,000 figure for Brazil based on certifications?

Even if those figures are correct, it puts the figure at about 12 million for all of the America's.

With 4 million in sales in Europe and another 2 million in Asia and Oceania, that is 6 million. So the total is the same as what I have at 18 million, so I'm going to leave the figure where it is.

This is a complete joke. With such 'methods' you will get 25 millions for 1 of the Beatles or 8 millions for the Bomb.
You are clearly unfair. You have not to take in account the name of the artist to fixe a WW sales figure.

How can you say that this album sold exactly 10 millions in USA while only adding soundscan and incomplete BMG sales they are already over 10.4 millions Please still serious. It's like say that the Bomb sold 300k and not one more copie only because it is only Platinum. Or like claim that The Joshua Tree sold 10.000.000 copies in USA and no one more, it's not serious.

They are TONS of artists undercertified by the RIAA including Celine Dion, Britney Spears, Eminem, Michael Jackson, David Bowie etc... Without speaking of artist like Frank Sinatra undercertied by at least 50 millions! So no RIAA is not solid. And if sales of BMG and soundscan only are already higher that the RIAA figure it's a joke to take this last. You will never do this for an album of U2.

In Canada the album was #1 and charted for 1 year, so claim that it sold any more copie that his initial certification is a joke too. I know that she is Britney Spears an 'artist' with any talent, but this change nothing to the fact that she sold massively all her records.

South American sales figures are from local newspapers.

4 millions in Europe is unfair again. They are already about 3.9 millions only in the countries that I have post, A LOT are missing. I have say 4.3 millions it's an absolute minimum.

It's the same about Asia/Oceania, they are old sales figure from limited countries and they are already over 1.8 millions, 2 millions is by far to low.

I take time to post all those figures so please don't start kidding with numbers.

 

[MJDangerous]

With your methods... The Bomb sales WW :

USA : 3.000.000 no one more
Canada : 500.000
Argentina : 20.000
Brazil : 125.000

America : 3.700.000

Europe : exactly 3.000.000 (IFPI) not more.

Japan : 252.929
South Korea : 7.555
Australia : 280.000
NZ : 45.000

Sales in America/Oceania : 800.000

Total sales WW of the Bomb : 7.500.000 and nothing more.

 

[STING2]

With your methods... The Bomb sales WW :

USA : 3.000.000 no one more
Canada : 500.000
Argentina : 20.000
Brazil : 125.000

America : 3.700.000

Europe : exactly 3.000.000 (IFPI) not more.

Japan : 252.929
South Korea : 7.555
Australia : 280.000
NZ : 45.000

Sales in America/Oceania : 800.000

Total sales WW of the Bomb : 7.500.000 and nothing more.

Thats not my method. I've stated my method multiple times in this thread. Its RIAA + the IFPI figure times 2. If there are certifications that clearly show a higher figure than that formula, then I will add it in.

 

[STING2]

This is a complete joke. With such 'methods' you will get 25 millions for 1 of the Beatles or 8 millions for the Bomb.
You are clearly unfair. You have not to take in account the name of the artist to fixe a WW sales figure.

How can you say that this album sold exactly 10 millions in USA while only adding soundscan and incomplete BMG sales they are already over 10.4 millions Please still serious. It's like say that the Bomb sold 300k and not one more copie only because it is only Platinum. Or like claim that The Joshua Tree sold 10.000.000 copies in USA and no one more, it's not serious.

They are TONS of artists undercertified by the RIAA including Celine Dion, Britney Spears, Eminem, Michael Jackson, David Bowie etc... Without speaking of artist like Frank Sinatra undercertied by at least 50 millions! So no RIAA is not solid. And if sales of BMG and soundscan only are already higher that the RIAA figure it's a joke to take this last. You will never do this for an album of U2.

In Canada the album was #1 and charted for 1 year, so claim that it sold any more copie that his initial certification is a joke too. I know that she is Britney Spears an 'artist' with any talent, but this change nothing to the fact that she sold massively all her records.

South American sales figures are from local newspapers.

4 millions in Europe is unfair again. They are already about 3.9 millions only in the countries that I have post, A LOT are missing. I have say 4.3 millions it's an absolute minimum.

It's the same about Asia/Oceania, they are old sales figure from limited countries and they are already over 1.8 millions, 2 millions is by far to low.

I take time to post all those figures so please don't start kidding with numbers.

Its not joke, its my OPINION. I understand and respect your opinion and you should respect everyone elses opinion here as well. That does not mean we are going to agree on things.

If you have an exact Soundscan figure for the Britney album, I'll consider that. But in dealing with RIAA certifications of titles released since 2000, they are very solid. A soundscan figure of 10.2 million is not going to change my overall estimate for worldwide sales of this album. The Certification of the Britney album happened last year, the Joshua Tree certification happened 11 years ago, it is not the same thing!

With Canada, while the album may have sold for a year after the first certification, that does not mean that a new certification would be needed. The BOMB hit triple platinum 4 weeks after release, but over a year of sales later its still at triple platinum. Initial certifications are for shipments and it takes time for actual sales to catch up with certications. If you have Soundscan info for Canada to prove your point, then I would be interested in seeing it. Otherwise, 5 times platinum is what the album has sold in Canada for the purposes of this chart.

A number posted in a South American Newspaper to me is unreliable. Certifications or Soundscan numbers are needed.




Note: I'd be careful about claiming that people in here are presenting inaccurate information and opinions to favor U2. Most people here try to be as objective as possible. That does not mean they will always agree with your opinions. Present your information and agree to disagree.

 

[MJDangerous]

How can I agree with this ?

I give you soundscan sales of the album and you say "If you have an exact Soundscan figure for the Britney album".. Do you have read my post ?! Nearly 9.2 millions SS + 1.2 million BMG they are already 400k over the RIAA certification still missing 60% of sales throught Music Clubs and sales from BMG in 2004-now.
In Canada all her albums sold 1/10 of their sales in USA. Why this albums should have sold less than 1/20 ?! You know that even if this can not be an universal rule, in sales a certain logic still behind.
Your comparaison about U2 is not good at all, the Bomb was certified at 3xP in USA too and take over 1 year to achieve them too because U2 are selling steadily the same amount so they can ship the album massively at his release we know that all those copies will be sold.
"Oops" was shipped 4xP at his release in USA and sold over 11m, do you think realist to say that if it was shipped at 5xP in Canada it finished at exatly 500.000 copies sold ? No way.

The result is that you claim that this album sold 10.5 millions in North America while it sold 10.4 millions soundscan + incomplete BMG only. It's a real joke, not an opinion. You also say that you are not gonna change the US figure for so few : at least 400k, they are the equivalent of sales in a big country. You "cut" 400k as well in Europe and even more in Asia.

And you want a soundscan sales figure for an album in Brazil ? Please stop kidding. To you is relieable only what you care about.

When you established a list, we don't care about know if all numbers are prove by certifications or not we care about get the more realistic figure.
If you have a different opinion and as Nelson in Ukmix you think that we should only take certifications, OK, so you take only the certifications for ALL the albums.
Your list is totally unfair : Many figures are based in pure claims, for others like Oops you ask for tons of certifications, it's a joke.

I have say that Come Away With Me sold at least 150k in Brazil, you have say nothing, I say that Oops sold 500k in Brazil, you are calling me a lier. So obviously no you are not trying to be as objective as possible.

 

[STING2]

How can I agree with this ?

I give you soundscan sales of the album and you say "If you have an exact Soundscan figure for the Britney album".. Do you have read my post ?! Nearly 9.2 millions SS + 1.2 million BMG they are already 400k over the RIAA certification still missing 60% of sales throught Music Clubs and sales from BMG in 2004-now.
In Canada all her albums sold 1/10 of their sales in USA. Why this albums should have sold less than 1/20 ?! You know that even if this can not be an universal rule, in sales a certain logic still behind.
Your comparaison about U2 is not good at all, the Bomb was certified at 3xP in USA too and take over 1 year to achieve them too because U2 are selling steadily the same amount so they can ship the album massively at his release we know that all those copies will be sold.
"Oops" was shipped 4xP at his release in USA and sold over 11m, do you think realist to say that if it was shipped at 5xP in Canada it finished at exatly 500.000 copies sold ? No way.

The result is that you claim that this album sold 10.5 millions in North America while it sold 10.4 millions soundscan + incomplete BMG only. It's a real joke, not an opinion. You also say that you are not gonna change the US figure for so few : at least 400k, they are the equivalent of sales in a big country. You "cut" 400k as well in Europe and even more in Asia.

And you want a soundscan sales figure for an album in Brazil ? Please stop kidding. To you is relieable only what you care about.

When you established a list, we don't care about know if all numbers are prove by certifications or not we care about get the more realistic figure.
If you have a different opinion and as Nelson in Ukmix you think that we should only take certifications, OK, so you take only the certifications for ALL the albums.
Your list is totally unfair : Many figures are based in pure claims, for others like Oops you ask for tons of certifications, it's a joke.

I have say that Come Away With Me sold at least 150k in Brazil, you have say nothing, I say that Oops sold 500k in Brazil, you are calling me a lier. So obviously no you are not trying to be as objective as possible.

I'm afraid that you do not understand the english language to a degree where your unlikely to get mixed up about what other people say.

I NEVER said you had to agree with anything I said! I said that when one does not agree, YOU AGREE TO DISAGREE! If you don't understand what that means in english, I'm sorry.

You do not know what the real total of any of these album sales are and neither do I, but you do have an estimate. I also have an estimate as well as everyone who post in this forum. When your estimate does not agree with someone elses estimate, YOU AGREE TO DISAGREE. You don't engage in pointless name calling and other baseless accusations of other people. Estimates are OPINIONS, they are not facts!

We once had a Pink Floyd fan come in here who started to argue and call people names because they did not agree with their estimates. Needless, to say that person does not post here anymore.

We also had a Metallica fan come in here in do the same thing. That person does not post in here anymore either.

Don't follow in their footsteps!

Its okay for someone NOT to agree with your estimates and information. You're not allowed to make personal remarks against that person just because they do not agree with your assesment of album sales! AGREE TO DISAGREE and move on!


My formula for this global album sales list has always been RIAA + 2x IFPI figures. If certification or actual soundscan totals from around the world show that the figure is higher than what that formula shows, then I add it in. If not, then I don't.

Thanks for the information you provided in the above post. Some if it did cause me to adjust the figures in MY list. Other estimates or figures I saw did not lead me to believe that the figure was any higher. Global album sales is to a degree an unknown and speculative topic. There are bound to be disagreements. When people disagree you do so respectfully and move on!

 

[MJDangerous]

I'm afraid that you do not understand the english language to a degree where your unlikely to get mixed up about what other people say.

I NEVER said you had to agree with anything I said! I said that when one does not agree, YOU AGREE TO DISAGREE! If you don't understand what that means in english, I'm sorry.

You do not know what the real total of any of these album sales are and neither do I, but you do have an estimate. I also have an estimate as well as everyone who post in this forum. When your estimate does not agree with someone elses estimate, YOU AGREE TO DISAGREE. You don't engage in pointless name calling and other baseless accusations of other people. Estimates are OPINIONS, they are not facts!

I understand perfectly the English and what you mean, it's on my own expression that I have many problems to explain my opinion, English is only my fourth language, it's not easy for me to explain with precision my opinion.
I have understand your comments about agree/disagree. The beginning of my previous post (I can't agree) was about your sales figures, especially in USA. I "can't agree" with a sales figures of 10m in USA for this album while in Soundscan/BMG it sold over 10.4m, so of course I can understand than you should not be agree each time with me, but I can't agree with an obvious wrong sales figure.

About your formula, RIAA + 2xIFPI, in the basis it is not bad, but I think that it should be adapted taking in account artists. For example, not counting USA, 50 Cent sold less out of Europe than in Europe, in an other side, Britney Spears sold more out of Europe than in the continent.
Generally, I prefer use sales of Japan to estimate sales in Asia than sales of IFPI. When I'm really missing informations, I count USA + Canada + Australia/NZ + Europe + 4xJapan and I try to do estimates only for South America.
I think that you should think about it, it is more accurate : In my opinion, of course.

You consider in your estimations 3 parts, USA/Europe/Rest of world. So to be back in the case of Oops, I have prove that at least certifications in each of them are at least 300/400k to low. It's only why I have not understand your decision of let 18 millions, at least you should have estimates it at 19 millions, not necessarly 21 millions (my opinion), but 19 millions is the minimum taking in account that it sold at least a bit more in each part of your estimates.

 

[STING2]

I understand perfectly the English and what you mean, it's on my own expression that I have many problems to explain my opinion, English is only my fourth language, it's not easy for me to explain with precision my opinion.
I have understand your comments about agree/disagree. The beginning of my previous post (I can't agree) was about your sales figures, especially in USA. I "can't agree" with a sales figures of 10m in USA for this album while in Soundscan/BMG it sold over 10.4m, so of course I can understand than you should not be agree each time with me, but I can't agree with an obvious wrong sales figure.

About your formula, RIAA + 2xIFPI, in the basis it is not bad, but I think that it should be adapted taking in account artists. For example, not counting USA, 50 Cent sold less out of Europe than in Europe, in an other side, Britney Spears sold more out of Europe than in the continent.
Generally, I prefer use sales of Japan to estimate sales in Asia than sales of IFPI. When I'm really missing informations, I count USA + Canada + Australia/NZ + Europe + 4xJapan and I try to do estimates only for South America.
I think that you should think about it, it is more accurate : In my opinion, of course.

You consider in your estimations 3 parts, USA/Europe/Rest of world. So to be back in the case of Oops, I have prove that at least certifications in each of them are at least 300/400k to low. It's only why I have not understand your decision of let 18 millions, at least you should have estimates it at 19 millions, not necessarly 21 millions (my opinion), but 19 millions is the minimum taking in account that it sold at least a bit more in each part of your estimates.

I'm leaving the Britney album at 18 million because despite what you say about Britney sales in the USA, my estimate for the outside the USA/Europe is 4 million based on the IFPI figure. That actually might be to high, as well as being to low. The extra sales you site for the USA, and for Europe are not to a degree that would make me raise the overall total from 18 to 19 million, because the 4 million figure for outside USA/IFPI could be lower than 4 million. So with my best judgement, I'm keeping the figure for now at 18 million.

I found much of your information convincing and I changed the totals for Norah Jones and Eminem. I'd be interested in any other corrections for other albums, as well if you think there are any other 10 million sellers not included in the list. Thanks again for that info on Jones and Eminem.

 

[wannabe]

STING2,

Don't know if this will meet your eyes, being so far along this thread but I was wondering if I could have your email address. I'd like to email you some news.

- Matt

 

[STING2]

STING2,

Don't know if this will meet your eyes, being so far along this thread but I was wondering if I could have your email address. I'd like to email you some news.

- Matt

Would it be ok if we just exchanged information here?

 

[MJDangerous]

I'm leaving the Britney album at 18 million because despite what you say about Britney sales in the USA, my estimate for the outside the USA/Europe is 4 million based on the IFPI figure. That actually might be to high, as well as being to low. The extra sales you site for the USA, and for Europe are not to a degree that would make me raise the overall total from 18 to 19 million, because the 4 million figure for outside USA/IFPI could be lower than 4 million. So with my best judgement, I'm keeping the figure for now at 18 million.

I found much of your information convincing and I changed the totals for Norah Jones and Eminem. I'd be interested in any other corrections for other albums, as well if you think there are any other 10 million sellers not included in the list. Thanks again for that info on Jones and Eminem.

Britney sold more in South America/Oceania/Asia than in Europe. And in Europe can't be lower than 4 millions taking in account that they are already 3.9 millions in selected countries.
But still if really you want not change this figure I can do nothing. I will try to post sales of Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP today.

 

[STING2]

Nickleback is now apart of the global 10 million plus club for this decade with their album Silver Side Up.



1. Beatles: 1 : 30,000,000+
2. Norah Jones : Come Away With Me : 22,000,000
3. Eminem: The Marshall Mathers LP : 19,000,000
4. Eminem : The Eminem Show : 19,000,000
5. Britney Spears: Oops!....I Did It Again : 18,000,000
6. Linkin Park: Hybrid Theory : 16,000,000
7. Usher : Confessions : 14,000,000
8. Dido: No Angel : 14,000,000
9. Avril Lavigne: Let Go : 13,500,000
10. Evanescence: Fallen : 13,500,000
11. N'Sync: No Strings Attached : 13,000,000
12. Green Day : American Idiot : 13,000,000
13. Madonna : Music : 13,000,000
14. Enya: A Day Without Rain : 13,000,000
15. U2 : ALL THAT YOU CAN'T LEAVE BEHIND: 12,000,000
16. Backstreet Boys : Black And Blue : 12,000,000
17. Dido : Life For Rent : 12,000,000
18. Shakira: Laundry Service : 11,000,000
19. Limp Bizkit: Chocolate Starfish : 11,000,000
20. Pink: M!SSUNDAZTOOD : 11,000,000
21. Shaggy: Hotshot : 10,500,000
22. Norah Jones : Feels Like Home : 10,000,000
23. Moby : Play : 10,000,000
24. Coldplay : A Rush Of Blood To The Head : 10,000,000
25. Nickelback : Silver Side Up : 10,000,000

 

[MJDangerous]

Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP

USA : 10 millions according to soundscan, 1.5 million according to BMG that's already 11.5 millions without other music club sales.
Like "The Eminem Show" or "Oops" it is terribly undercertified (still 9xPlatinum!!!), estimated sales of 13 millions in USA.

Canada : 8xPlatinum since the beginning of 2001, it is obviously a million seller.

It sold at least 200.000 copies in Brazil.


Estimated sales of 14.500.000 albums minimum in America (surely much more with Mexico and Brazil).


In Europe... Certified 5xPlatinum since 2001.
- UK : 2.150.000 copies sold (shops only).
- France : 680.000 copies sold.
- Germany : 800.000.
- Sweden : 120.000.
- Netherland : 160.000
- Italia : 300.000
- Spain : 100.000
- Denmark : 80.000
- Austria : 40.000
- Belgium : 100.000
- Norway : 60.000
- Switzerland : 160.000
- Portugal : 40.000
- Poland : 100.000
- Finland : 40.055

A lot of those figure are not updated since 4-5 years.

Estimated sales of 5.500.000 albums minimum in Europe.


Japan : 250.000 minimum.
South Korea : 140.000
Australia : 300.000
NZ : 75.000

Estimated sales of 1.5 millions for all the sales out of America/Europe.

Total sales of 21.500.000 copies sold.

Here I have take really minimums, nearly all those figures are official since 4 years and I have count only 3 millions out of USA/Europe which is very low for a such seller.

 

[STING2]

Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP

USA : 10 millions according to soundscan, 1.5 million according to BMG that's already 11.5 millions without other music club sales.
Like "The Eminem Show" or "Oops" it is terribly undercertified (still 9xPlatinum!!!), estimated sales of 13 millions in USA.

Canada : 8xPlatinum since the beginning of 2001, it is obviously a million seller.

It sold at least 200.000 copies in Brazil.


Estimated sales of 14.500.000 albums minimum in America (surely much more with Mexico and Brazil).


In Europe... Certified 5xPlatinum since 2001.
- UK : 2.150.000 copies sold (shops only).
- France : 680.000 copies sold.
- Germany : 800.000.
- Sweden : 120.000.
- Netherland : 160.000
- Italia : 300.000
- Spain : 100.000
- Denmark : 80.000
- Austria : 40.000
- Belgium : 100.000
- Norway : 60.000
- Switzerland : 160.000
- Portugal : 40.000
- Poland : 100.000
- Finland : 40.055

A lot of those figure are not updated since 4-5 years.

Estimated sales of 5.500.000 albums minimum in Europe.


Japan : 250.000 minimum.
South Korea : 140.000
Australia : 300.000
NZ : 75.000

Estimated sales of 1.5 millions for all the sales out of America/Europe.

Total sales of 21.500.000 copies sold.

Here I have take really minimums, nearly all those figures are official since 4 years and I have count only 3 millions out of USA/Europe which is very low for a such seller.

I'll give another 1.5 million because of the soundscan total of 10 million. But the album was certified by the RIAA at 9 million in 2004. There is no way the album should be at 13 million now. Soundscan covers over 95% of all albums sold in the USA. This is not like the early 1990s when there was no coverage of album sales from record clubs.

So, that will push the total album sales from 19 million to 20.5 million.

 

[STING2]

1. Beatles: 1 : 30,000,000+
2. Norah Jones : Come Away With Me : 22,000,000
3. Eminem: The Marshall Mathers LP : 20,500,000
4. Eminem : The Eminem Show : 19,000,000
5. Britney Spears: Oops!....I Did It Again : 18,000,000
6. Linkin Park: Hybrid Theory : 16,000,000
7. Usher : Confessions : 14,000,000
8. Dido: No Angel : 14,000,000
9. Avril Lavigne: Let Go : 13,500,000
10. Evanescence: Fallen : 13,500,000
11. N'Sync: No Strings Attached : 13,000,000
12. Green Day : American Idiot : 13,000,000
13. Madonna : Music : 13,000,000
14. Enya: A Day Without Rain : 13,000,000
15. U2 : ALL THAT YOU CAN'T LEAVE BEHIND: 12,000,000
16. Backstreet Boys : Black And Blue : 12,000,000
17. Dido : Life For Rent : 12,000,000
18. Shakira: Laundry Service : 11,000,000
19. Limp Bizkit: Chocolate Starfish : 11,000,000
20. Pink: M!SSUNDAZTOOD : 11,000,000
21. Shaggy: Hotshot : 10,500,000
22. Norah Jones : Feels Like Home : 10,000,000
23. Moby : Play : 10,000,000
24. Coldplay : A Rush Of Blood To The Head : 10,000,000
25. Nickelback : Silver Side Up : 10,000,000

 

[MJDangerous]

I'll give another 1.5 million because of the soundscan total of 10 million. But the album was certified by the RIAA at 9 million in 2004. There is no way the album should be at 13 million now. Soundscan covers over 95% of all albums sold in the USA. This is not like the early 1990s when there was no coverage of album sales from record clubs.

So, that will push the total album sales from 19 million to 20.5 million.

You seem to ignore each time BMG sales. What do you do of the 1.5 million copies sold through BMG ?

 

[STING2]

You seem to ignore each time BMG sales. What do you do of the 1.5 million copies sold through BMG ?

From what I have heard, Soundscan counts all of this now, plus I am always skeptical about reported numbers coming from record clubs.

 

[MJDangerous]

From what I have heard, Soundscan counts all of this now, plus I am always skeptical about reported numbers coming from record clubs.

Lol ! I understand now... BMG Sales are NOT counted in the Soundscan total, you have to ADD them to the soundscan total.

And those sells are 100%, they come from BMG :

Celebrating 14 years as the world's largest music club currently serving more than 20 million members announced their all time sellers today.

The BMG Music Club sold more than 300 million cassettes and CD's in it's 14 years in business, and this month will honor the clubs Top 100 Selling CD's with a special Plaque, plus all Top 100 will be included BMG's music publication issued to club members at a special discount price.

With nearly 2 million units sold, Shania Twain's "Come On Over" owns the title as the clubs #1 selling LP, Twain also appears on the list at #25 with "The Woman In Me" which has sold more than 1.2 million copies, again at #90 with the newly released "UP!" which also sold nearly a half-million copies in the 6 weeks the club has been selling the title, and at #96 with her self-titled debut with almost 400,000 units sold.

Backstreet Boys and 'N Sync prove their staying power with each boy band placing two albums in the all-time Top 10, closing out the Top 10 is Pop Diva Madonna with her "Immaculate Collection" with just about 1.5 million units sold in the music club, the superstar also appears on the list with "Like A Virgin," (#59, 822,000 units), "Ray Of Light," (#91, 459,000 units) and "True Blue," (#99, 301,000 units), not to mention her other club titles which didn't make the Top 100 "Madonna Remasters 3-Pack," (11,000 units), "The Early Years - Give It To Me," (8,000 units), "GV2," (90,000 units), "Music," (97,000 units), "Something To Remember," (179,000 units), "Bedtime Stories," (195,000 units,) "Erotica," (84,000 units), and "Like A Prayer," (244,000 units).

Another Pop Diva Janet Jackson appears in the Top 10 with a greatest hits collection, Jackson's "Design Of A Decade 1986/1996," is the clubs biggest selling hits collection from a female singer closing in at #9 with nearly 1.5 million units sold, Jackson appears on the all-time chart 5 times (with two discontinued albums from the club due to contractual agreements), at #35 with the groundbreaking "Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814," #58 with "Control," #63 with "Janet.," and #95 with "The Velvet Rope," other Jackson title's include "All For You," (100,000 units sold and issued under contractual agreement), "Dream Street" (44,000 units) and "Janet Jackson," (82,000 units).

BMG Music Club Top 100 Best Selling Albums Of All Time



1. SHANIA TWAIN - COME ON OVER (MERCURY NASHVILLE) (1.99 million units)
2. BACKSTREET BOYS - BACKSTREET BOYS (JIVE) (1.72 million units)
3. BRITNEY SPEARS - ...BABY ONE MORE TIME (JIVE) (1.60 million units)
4. BACKSTREET BOYS - MILLENNIUM (JIVE) (1.59 million units)
5. EMINEM - THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP (INTERSCOPE) (1.54 million units)
6. 'N SYNC - NO STRINGS ATTACHED (JIVE) (1.52 million units)
7. EAGLES - THEIR GREATEST HITS 1971 - 1975 (ELEKTRA) (1.52 million units)
8. 'N SYNC - 'N SYNC (JIVE) (1.50 million units)
9. JANET JACKSON - DESIGN OF A DECADE - 1986/1996 (A&M) (1.48 million units)
10. MADONNA - THE IMMACULATE COLLECTION (WARNER BROS) (1.46 million units)

11. JEWEL - PIECES OF YOU (ATLANTIC) (1.40 million units)
12. AC/DC - BACK IN BLACK (ATCO) (1.33 million units)
13. NO DOUBT - TRAGIC KINGDOM (TRAUMA) (1.32 million units)
14. FLEETWOOD MAC - RUMOURS (WARNER BROS) (1.31 million units)
15. KID ROCK - DEVIL WITHOUT A CAUSE (LAVA) (1.31 millon units)
16. WHITNEY HOUSTON - THE BODYGUARD (SOUNDTRACK) (ARISTA) (1.31 million units)
17. HOOTIE & THE BLOWFISH - CRACKED REAR VIEW (ATLANTIC) (1.30 million units)
18. BOYZ II MEN - II (MOTOWN) (1.29 million units)
19. KENNY G - BREATHLESS (ARISTA) (1.29 million units)
20. WILL SMITH - BIG WILLIE STYLE (COLUMBIA) (1.29 million units)

21. DIXIE CHICKS - WIDE OPEN SPACES (MONUMENT) (1.28 million units)
22. TLC - CRAZYSEXYCOOL (LAFACE) (1.27 million units)
23. GREEN DAY - DOOKIE (REPRISE) (1.26 million units)
24. SANTANA - SUPERNATURAL (ARISTA) (1.26 million units)
25. SHANIA TWAIN - THE WOMAN IN ME (MERCURY NASHVILLE) (1.24 million units)
26. NIRVANA - NEVERMIND (GEFFEN) (1.24 million units)
27. BRITNEY SPEARS - OOPS!... I DID IT AGAIN (JIVE) (1.21 million units)
28. MATCHBOX TWENTY - YOURSELF OR SOMEONE LIKE YOU (ATLANTIC) (1.18 million units)
29. EMINEM - THE SLIM SHADY LP (INTERSCOPE) (1.16 million units)
30. BEASTIE BOYS - LICENSED TO ILL (DEF JAM) (1.13 million units)

31. BOYZ II MEN - COOLEYHIGHHARMONY (MOTOWN) (1.13 million units)
32. THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G. - LIFE AFTER DEATH (BAD BOY) (1.12 million units)
33. CELINE DION - LET'S TALK ABOUT LOVE (550 MUSIC) (1.11 million units)
34. CELINE DION - ALL THE WAY... A DECADE OF SONG (550 MUSIC) (1.10 million units)
35. JANET JACKSON - JANET JACKSON'S RHYTHM NATION 1814 (A&M) (1.10 million units)
36. ACE OF BASE - THE SIGN (ARISTA) (1.08 million units)
37. BILLY RAY CYRUS - SOME GAVE ALL (MERCURY) (1.08 million units)
38. NATALIE COLE - UNFORGETTABLE (ELEKTRA) (1.03 million units)
39. MARIAH CAREY - #1's (SONY) (1.00 million units)
40. ALICIA KEYS - SONGS IN A MINOR (J) (995,000 units)

41. BACKSTREET BOYS - BLACK & BLUE (JIVE) (992,000 units)
42. RICKY MARTIN - RICKY MARTIN (SONY) (987,000 units)
43. CELINE DION - FALLING INTO YOU (550 MUSIC) (987,000 units)
44. SARAH MCLACHLAN - SURFACING (ARISTA) (985,000 units)
45. PUFF DADDY & THE FAMILY - NO WAY OUT (BAD BOY) (978,000 units)
46. TONI BRAXTON - TONI BRAXTON (LAFACE) (972,000 units)
47. SOUNDTRACK - TITANIC (SONY) (971,000 units)
48. CHRISTINA AGUILERA - CHRISTINA AGUILERA (RCA) (935,000 units)
49. TONI BRAXTON - SECRETS (LAFACE) (927,000 units)
50. MICHAEL JACKSON - THRILLER (EPIC) (923,000 units)

51. EN VOGUE - FUNKY DIVAS (EASTWEST) (916,000 units)
52. MEAT LOAF - BAT OUT OF HELL II - BACK INTO HELL (MCA) (909,000 units)
53. SOUNDTRACK - DIRTY DANCING (RCA) (904,000 units)
54. SOUNDTRACK - GREASE (POLYDOR) (899,000 units)
55. GUNS & ROSES - APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION (GEFFEN) (890,000 units)
56. SOUNDTRACK - WAITING TO EXHALE (ARISTA) (886,000 units)
57. ABBA - GOLD GREATEST HITS (POLYDOR) (884,000 units)
58. JANET JACKSON - CONTROL (A&M) (883,000 units)
59. MADONNA - LIKE A VIRGIN (WARNER BROS) (882,000 units)
60. LAURYN HILL - THE MISEDUCATION OF LAURYN HILL (SONY) (880,000 units)

61. MICHAEL JACKSON - BAD (SONY) (879,000 units)
62. TLC - FANMAIL (LAFACE) (877,000 units)
63. JANET JACKSON - JANET. (VIRGIN) (860,000 units) *
64. DMX - IT'S DARK AND HELL IS HOT (DEF JAM) (857,000 units)
65. MARIAH CAREY - DAYDREAM (SONY) (848,000 units)
66. THIRD EYE BLIND - THIRD EYE BLIND (ELEKTRA) (842,000 units)
67. SHERYL CROW - TUESDAY NIGHT MUSIC CLUB (A&M) (833,000 units)
68. 'N SYNC - CELEBRITY (JIVE) (826,000 units)
69. LINKIN' PARK - HYBRID THEORY (WARNER BROS) (826,000 units)
70. FUGEES - THE SCORE (SONY) (822,000 units)

71. WHITNEY HOUSTON - WHITNEY (ARISTA) (806,000 units)
72. USHER - MY WAY (LAFACE) (796,000 units)
73. U2 - THE JOSHUA TREE (ISLAND) (779,000 units)
74. AALIYAH - ONE IN A MILLION (ATLANTIC) (756,000 units) *
75. SELENA - DREAMING OF YOU (EMI) (745,000 units)
76. MARIAH CAREY - MUSIC BOX (SONY) (735,000 units)
77. BLACKSTREET - ANOTHER LEVEL (INTERSCOPE) (733,000 units)
78. MICHAEL JACKSON - HISTORY (EPIC) (730,000 units)
79. DESTINY'S CHILD - THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL (COLUMBIA) (703,000 units)
80. NICKELBACK - SILVER SIDE UP (ROADRUNNER) (692,000 units)

81. BRANDY - NEVER SAY NEVER (ATLANTIC) (665,000 units)
82. SOUNDTRACK - NUTTY PROFESSOR II: THE KLUMPS (DEF JAM) (642,000 units)
83. CELINE DION - CELINE DION (550 MUSIC) (624,000 units)
84. BRITNEY SPEARS - BRITNEY (JIVE) (588,000 units)
85. MARY J. BLIGE - SHARE MY WORLD (MCA) (559,000 units)
86. JEWEL - SPIRIT (ATLANTIC) (521,000 units)
87. KENNY G - FAITH/A HOLIDAY ALBUM (ARISTA) (503,000 units)
88. PRINCE - THE HITS 1 (WARNER BROS) (501,000 units)
89. SHERYL CROW - SHERYL CROW (A&M) (500,000 units)
90. SHANIA TWAIN - UP! (MERCURY NASHVILLE) (477,000 units) *

91. MADONNA - RAY OF LIGHT (WARNER BROS.) (459,000 units)
92. LFO - LFO (ARISTA) (456,000 units)
93. MARIAH CAREY - RAINBOW (SONY) (443,000 units)
94. DESTINY'S CHILD - SURVIVOR (SONY) (439,000 units)
95. JANET JACKSON - THE VELVET ROPE (VIRGIN) (420,000 units) *
96. SHANIA TWAIN - SHANIA TWAIN (MERCURY NASHVILLE) (390,000 units)
97. AALIYAH - AALIYAH (VIRGIN) (350,000 units) *
98. ALANIS MORISSETTE - JAGGED LITTLE PILL (MAVERICK) (350,000 units) *
99. MADONNA - TRUE BLUE (WARNER BROS). (301,000 units)
100. MICHAEL JACKSON - DANGEROUS (SONY) (298,000 units)

* Items that were at one time apart of a Special Promotion, sales restricted titles available for a limited time due to popular demand.




I think that now you can change your estimations about Britney Spears as well as about Eminem...

 

[STING2]

Lol ! I understand now... BMG Sales are NOT counted in the Soundscan total, you have to ADD them to the soundscan total.

I'm not ever going to change something like that just because you claim that it is so. If your going to make a statement like that your going to have to back it up with irrefutable evidence. Until you provide evidence proving that soundscan does not count any BMG sales, I'm not going to be adding them.

In any event, they are counted by RIAA. RIAA certified the album at 9 million in early 2004. Even if what you said was true about BMG, the only thing I would add would be BMG sales since mid 2004 as well as any soundscan sales since then.

 

[MJDangerous]

I'm not ever going to change something like that just because you claim that it is so. If your going to make a statement like that your going to have to back it up with irrefutable evidence. Until you provide evidence proving that soundscan does not count any BMG sales, I'm not going to be adding them.

In any event, they are counted by RIAA. RIAA certified the album at 9 million in early 2004. Even if what you said was true about BMG, the only thing I would add would be BMG sales since mid 2004 as well as any soundscan sales since then.

RIAA is not the bible. Sorry but AGAIN your post is ridiculous.

The Marshall Mathers LP was OVER 9 millions according to Soundscan when it was certified at 9xP and OVER 1.5 millions through BMG so it was OVER 10.5 millions when it was certified at 9xP FOR SURE. Claim the opposite is simply a stupidity.

I have nothing to prove, all this are FACTS, if you want evidence so wake up and go to the RIAA site to read their rules which obviously you have never do in your life.


RIAA count Music club sales since 1996. Soundscan scan sales in SHOPS, Music club are NOT shops. Ask to Edge for sure he knows that OF COURSE sales of music club are not scanned. It's why albums like Come On Over are scanned barely at 15 millions and are certified at 21xP, the rest come from his massive music club sales. A LOT of albums are undercertified by the RIAA (including a lot of U2 albums) which is not new, again RIAA is NOT the bible.

So, The Joshua Tree sales in USA in 1995 are 6 millions, right ? Of course, NO. Even if it was certified at 6xP in 1995 his sales are already over 10 millions. It's the same thing for The Marshall Mathers LP as well as Oops.

 

[STING2]

RIAA is not the bible. Sorry but AGAIN your post is ridiculous.

The Marshall Mathers LP was OVER 9 millions according to Soundscan when it was certified at 9xP and OVER 1.5 millions through BMG so it was OVER 10.5 millions when it was certified at 9xP FOR SURE. Claim the opposite is simply a stupidity.

I have nothing to prove, all this are FACTS, if you want evidence so wake up and go to the RIAA site to read their rules which obviously you have never do in your life.


RIAA count Music club sales since 1996. Soundscan scan sales in SHOPS, Music club are NOT shops. Ask to Edge for sure he knows that OF COURSE sales of music club are not scanned. It's why albums like Come On Over are scanned barely at 15 millions and are certified at 21xP, the rest come from his massive music club sales. A LOT of albums are undercertified by the RIAA (including a lot of U2 albums) which is not new, again RIAA is NOT the bible.

So, The Joshua Tree sales in USA in 1995 are 6 millions, right ? Of course, NO. Even if it was certified at 6xP in 1995 his sales are already over 10 millions. It's the same thing for The Marshall Mathers LP as well as Oops.

If you have a different view from what is shown in the RIAA, you have to prove it, and you have provided no evidence for your claims above. When one orders and album from Amazon or some other place on the internet, that is not considered a shop either. If you have an official statement from BMG or Soundscan showing that Soundscan does not cover any sales by BMG okay. Its true in Soundscans earlier years that Record clubs were not covered at all, but since 2000 I don't think this has been the case.

But this really does not matter. The fact is that RIAA certified Marshal Mathers LP at 9 million copies in early 2004. If the Soundscan total at that time was above 10 million, it would have of course been certified at 10 million or more. It had not been certified for a long time and it has not received another certification since, although now that the soundscan total has passed 10 million it needs an update.

BMG sales for Marshall Mathers are always counted by the RIAA, so you would not be adding 1.5 million to the 9 million certified figure. BMG sales are already apart of the 9 million figure. The only additional sales are those that have happened through soundscan since early 2004.

The Joshua Tree sales started to be audited again 1995 for the first time since 1988. Considering the large number of sales that occured between those time periods, its very common in the process for there to be early certifications before the final total is completed. Certifications for 6, 7, and 10 million all happened for the Joshua Tree with the space of a few months in 1995. That is not what has happened with the Marshall Mathers LP.