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Old 10-29-2014, 03:39 PM   #121
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Concerning the proposed discount digital sales, Billboard now only counts albums that sell above a certain price point. I think it's $5. They got really annoyed when Amazon was selling the Gaga album for like .99 or whatever and then changed the rules.

This was the best method of release for U2. They likely earned more money in the long-run thanks to the amount Apple paid them and exposed millions to their music. The record labels/stores are the ones getting screwed though...no doubt in my mind that this release will end up having been "over-printed" and that there will be way more CDs and vinyl than actual demand.
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Old 10-29-2014, 04:05 PM   #122
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I agree, except, after I thought about it, it makes a lot of sense.

U2 had a MUCH shorter pre-order time than these other artists who release in a more traditional way.

They had pre-orders going for at least a month or more, and I think SOI, was around 2 weeks or so.

So when there is that much pre-order time, they will inevitably have a larger decline in the second week, and as such, U2 had a smaller decline because of less pre-order time.

I mean, I think Taylor Swift has had like 2 months of pre-order time. So while she's "setting the record" for having 3 releases open with over a million units, it really is kinda bullshit.

I mean, when N'sync and Eminem and people were opening with first week sales of over a million, it was on sales that happened THAT week. Not accumulated over 2 months.
I actually expected a less than normal % decline as since the album was free there is less of a need for people to rush out and buy it straight away. Also whereas they usually do promo the week before release, this time they only started the promo after the release (i.e. they did not do any promo whilst the album was free on iTunes).

I too think that 300k would have been achieved with a 'traditional' release. I know they had a hit single and more radio play, but Coldplay opened with about 300k and I think U2 would have matched that.

Not to forget that HTDAAB nearly debuted with 1M copied. (845,000)
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Old 10-29-2014, 04:15 PM   #123
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Everything about this post is wrong.

With streaming becoming the new thing, album charts like this will probably cease to exist (as we know them) within a couple years.
Gold and Platinum will mean nothing and things will most likely be charted on streams, youtube views, downloads, facebook and webpage hits, etc...

I think the band knows this and unlike the really stupid comments by Iggy Pop, they are succeeding in having people hear their music, and that in the end is what seems to be important to them.
Iggy can sell his 20,000 albums this next time and then sit and wonder if HIS is a flop?? or maybe the landscape has shifted so dramatically that the term flop, only applies to the old method of charting things.
It could be that in 5-10 years time, physical sales have shrunk so low that they are no longer available and paid/legal downloads have fallen to the point that illegal downloads outnumber them 100 or even 1000 to 1.

In which case maybe iTunes and the others will resort to paying artists upfront and 'giving away' all music for free (instead making money from some sort of advertising). This could lead to a new chart format altogether and in 20 years time, SOI could be placed in the all time album chart ahead of the Joshua Tree with 30-40M copies 'sold'. Maybe an album would even overtake thriller at 70 odd million and be considered as the biggest 'selling' album of all time.

... only time will tell.
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Old 10-29-2014, 06:50 PM   #124
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It could be that in 5-10 years time, physical sales have shrunk so low that they are no longer available and paid/legal downloads have fallen to the point that illegal downloads outnumber them 100 or even 1000 to 1.

In which case maybe iTunes and the others will resort to paying artists upfront and 'giving away' all music for free (instead making money from some sort of advertising). This could lead to a new chart format altogether and in 20 years time, SOI could be placed in the all time album chart ahead of the Joshua Tree with 30-40M copies 'sold'. Maybe an album would even overtake thriller at 70 odd million and be considered as the biggest 'selling' album of all time.

... only time will tell.
Yes it will be very interesting how things will change. One thing I think is always interesting is that all your staple "classic" albums really have had their sales boosted by format changes over the years.

Pink Floyd, zeppelin, Beatles, Michael Jackson the list goes on and on. And it includes U2

I know that I owned about 500 cassettes before cd's came out and I bought probably half of those again.
I know I've owned 3 Joshua trees and now may buy the remastered version!!
So I truly believe Achtung was sold to more people than JT, because I would say most people have purchased JT a couple times.
I also did with Achtung since I was late to the CD game.

But now, it's really shifting fast to a new generation maybe not "owning" anything but just being able to stream anything at any time.

Anyway, just rambling.

Oh - forgot - the minimum price for an album to be counted is $3.49.
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SOI is at number 25 on the Billboard charts in the US this week.
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SOI is at number 25 on the Billboard charts in the US this week.

25 U2 SONGS OF INNOCENCE 10,763 -62% 28,122 39,584

10,763 sold this week
39,584 sold in total
62% drop(which is about right but not too bad)


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Old 10-30-2014, 09:35 AM   #127
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I think the U.S. Promotional push will coincide with the holiday season (3rd week November into December).

Especially if they announce the tour in November as has been mentioned, they will essentially be promoting the tour but also get a holiday sales boost as well.

I imagine they have some "tricks" up their sleeves.

My guess:

GMA(Good Morning America)
Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon
Late Night with Jimmy Kimmel
SNL
Radio station interviews

All of this should coincide with the "official"release ( whatever that means these days) of Every Breaking Wave.


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I think the U.S. Promotional push will coincide with the holiday season (3rd week November into December).

Especially if they announce the tour in November as has been mentioned, they will essentially be promoting the tour but also get a holiday sales boost as well.

I imagine they have some "tricks" up their sleeves.

My guess:

GMA(Good Morning America)
Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon
Late Night with Jimmy Kimmel
SNL
Radio station interviews

All of this should coincide with the "official"release ( whatever that means these days) of Every Breaking Wave.


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Letterman is almost 100% guarantee. Not sure about Kimmel
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I think the U.S. Promotional push will coincide with the holiday season (3rd week November into December).

Especially if they announce the tour in November as has been mentioned, they will essentially be promoting the tour but also get a holiday sales boost as well.

I imagine they have some "tricks" up their sleeves.

My guess:

GMA(Good Morning America)
Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon
Late Night with Jimmy Kimmel
SNL
Radio station interviews

All of this should coincide with the "official"release ( whatever that means these days) of Every Breaking Wave.
I think this is more or less what's going to happen.
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Letterman is almost 100% guarantee. Not sure about Kimmel

Keep in mind they have a new manger and they are trying more so to reach younger demos. Kimmel has a younger audience than letterman. They might do both but I'm thinking Kimmel is more likely.




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Old 10-30-2014, 11:28 AM   #131
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Keep in mind they have a new manger and they are trying more so to reach younger demos. Kimmel has a younger audience than letterman. They might do both but I'm thinking Kimmel is more likely.




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I see your point. You may be right, but they have been a Letterman staple for years now. I think they have mutual respect for eachother.

That said, I think if they went on Fallon (or is it Kimmel?) and did "Mean Tweets" it would be SO good.

Would love to see them do all the shows, including Conan and Craig Ferguson, Seth Meyers, etc...

They have done all sorts of random stuff in Europe, so I hope they continue on here.
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#1 in Italy for a 2nd week!


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Hey Cosmo, can you find the sales numbers for the first couple weeks for NLOTH for France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and maybe Netherlands and compare them to SOI's performance?

It's pretty amazing that it's even in the same ballpark...
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Hey Cosmo, can you find the sales numbers for the first couple weeks for NLOTH for France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and maybe Netherlands and compare them to SOI's performance?



It's pretty amazing that it's even in the same ballpark...

I'll see if I can find it. I know I tracked chart positions and sales when available.

Also.....#1 in Portugal for the 2nd week in a row!


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Up to #5 from #14 in Iceland, a country where foreign acts don´t sell albums in.
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