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Old 10-27-2014, 03:19 PM   #106
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With 56% in, Hits is showing SOI holding onto a respectable number 16 on the US charts. They put them at number 11 vs. Billboards #9 showing last week, so maybe they will hang in the top 15 in the US this time around.

Actually a little better than I had anticipated.

We shall see what Wednesday brings for Billboard numbers.
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Old 10-27-2014, 05:49 PM   #107
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With 56% in, Hits is showing SOI holding onto a respectable number 16 on the US charts. They put them at number 11 vs. Billboards #9 showing last week, so maybe they will hang in the top 15 in the US this time around.



Actually a little better than I had anticipated.



We shall see what Wednesday brings for Billboard numbers.

I expect a 60%+ drop in sales (maybe even 70%) in week 2 given the "padding" of preorders in week 1 and the surge of hardcore fans going out week one. I don't know what that would translate chart position wise but I would think in the 20s at least. If they maintain within the top 20, I would be impressed.


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Old 10-27-2014, 08:38 PM   #108
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I expect a 60%+ drop in sales (maybe even 70%) in week 2 given the "padding" of preorders in week 1 and the surge of hardcore fans going out week one. I don't know what that would translate chart position wise but I would think in the 20s at least. If they maintain within the top 20, I would be impressed.


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Well, with 71% in they drop to number 25

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Old 10-28-2014, 02:11 AM   #109
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The only way this album will sell is if it generates a hit. If U2 had released this the traditional way, I don't see strong sales simply because there is no hit song right now. SOI might have hit 300K the first week simply because it's new U2, but then dove fast afterward without a hit.
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Old 10-28-2014, 09:00 AM   #110
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I wonder how SOI would have sold without all the free download shenanigans. Something tells me it still wouldn't have achieved Gold certification. But at least it would have entered the chart relatively high, maybe #1. And it would have been eligible for the Grammys, which has traditionally been good to U2. As is, SOI is swiftly falling off the map. What did Iggy Pop say? "They gave it away free before it had a chance to flop"? Sounds about right
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Ugh.
Although, there were 8 new entries above it.

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I wonder how SOI would have sold without all the free download shenanigans. Something tells me it still wouldn't have achieved Gold certification. But at least it would have entered the chart relatively high, maybe #1. And it would have been eligible for the Grammys, which has traditionally been good to U2. As is, SOI is swiftly falling off the map. What did Iggy Pop say? "They gave it away free before it had a chance to flop"? Sounds about right

It is eligible for the Grammys and has been put forward for nomination, they sold a limited number of vinyls before release if I remember right,

Also the lack of promo in the US will be hurting sales


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I wonder how SOI would have sold without all the free download shenanigans. Something tells me it still wouldn't have achieved Gold certification. But at least it would have entered the chart relatively high, maybe #1. And it would have been eligible for the Grammys, which has traditionally been good to U2. As is, SOI is swiftly falling off the map. What did Iggy Pop say? "They gave it away free before it had a chance to flop"? Sounds about right
Everything about this post is wrong.

First, if they didn't do the free give away, you would have to consider what the alternate release method would have been? which makes speculation about it almost impossible.

Their last 3 albums have opened up between 350 and 600k. So if it was straight traditional, I have to agree with doctorwho and say it probably would have been in the 300's IF Miracle was still the lead single, released traditionally. And most certainly would have gone Gold within a month or so.

BUT,

What if they had done a different Apple tie-in (Like I was wishing for)
Say they put out EBW for free on iTunes, and because of Apples 40th anniversary, sold SOI for $4.40 for a couple weeks, or a month...
Then have Apple put together an amazing commercial, heartfelt with beautiful imagery, with EBW as the music. Catching the publics attention and making EBW the new classic that it is.
They may have sold upwards of 600k. You just don't know. There are a dozen other scenerios that could have played out as well, all yielding different results.

But in any way it was done, other than giving it away for free for 5 weeks, it would definitely hit Gold, and platinum at some point down the road.

Now we have about 30 million people with the album in their libraries... Even if a quarter of them really care and kinda like it or love it, that's about 8 million people, and it's only been a month and a half.

With streaming becoming the new thing, album charts like this will probably cease to exist (as we know them) within a couple years.
Gold and Platinum will mean nothing and things will most likely be charted on streams, youtube views, downloads, facebook and webpage hits, etc...

I think the band knows this and unlike the really stupid comments by Iggy Pop, they are succeeding in having people hear their music, and that in the end is what seems to be important to them.
Iggy can sell his 20,000 albums this next time and then sit and wonder if HIS is a flop?? or maybe the landscape has shifted so dramatically that the term flop, only applies to the old method of charting things.
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Everything about this post is wrong.

First, if they didn't do the free give away, you would have to consider what the alternate release method would have been? which makes speculation about it almost impossible.

Their last 3 albums have opened up between 350 and 600k. So if it was straight traditional, I have to agree with doctorwho and say it probably would have been in the 300's IF Miracle was still the lead single, released traditionally. And most certainly would have gone Gold within a month or so.

BUT,

What if they had done a different Apple tie-in (Like I was wishing for)
Say they put out EBW for free on iTunes, and because of Apples 40th anniversary, sold SOI for $4.40 for a couple weeks, or a month...
Then have Apple put together an amazing commercial, heartfelt with beautiful imagery, with EBW as the music. Catching the publics attention and making EBW the new classic that it is.
They may have sold upwards of 600k. You just don't know. There are a dozen other scenerios that could have played out as well, all yielding different results.

But in any way it was done, other than giving it away for free for 5 weeks, it would definitely hit Gold, and platinum at some point down the road.

Now we have about 30 million people with the album in their libraries... Even if a quarter of them really care and kinda like it or love it, that's about 8 million people, and it's only been a month and a half.

With streaming becoming the new thing, album charts like this will probably cease to exist (as we know them) within a couple years.
Gold and Platinum will mean nothing and things will most likely be charted on streams, youtube views, downloads, facebook and webpage hits, etc...

I think the band knows this and unlike the really stupid comments by Iggy Pop, they are succeeding in having people hear their music, and that in the end is what seems to be important to them.
Iggy can sell his 20,000 albums this next time and then sit and wonder if HIS is a flop?? or maybe the landscape has shifted so dramatically that the term flop, only applies to the old method of charting things.
Well, all we can do is speculate. But I don't think you can say with a traditional release it would have certainly or definitely reached Gold or Platinum based on how the last three albums sold (the market has changed significantly in the last five years alone). Nor can you say with any certainty it would've sold 300k in its first week (that strikes me as wildly optimistic given they haven't had a proper hit to speak of since Vertigo, fully ten years ago).
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So the news at Hits (USA) is not too bad.

They have SOI at number 24, down from 11.

Now the interesting thing is, that it actually had the smallest percentage decline of any of last weeks debuts. Only 48%, where Seger and Florida/Georgia dropped 60 and 70% respectively.

Also important to note that there are 10 new debuts in the top 20! So for them to only drop 13 spots ain't bad.
Probably won't stay in the top 20 on Billboard but may be close
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I find the percentage declines to be surprising.
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So the news at Hits (USA) is not too bad.

They have SOI at number 24, down from 11.

Now the interesting thing is, that it actually had the smallest percentage decline of any of last weeks debuts. Only 48%, where Seger and Florida/Georgia dropped 60 and 70% respectively.

Also important to note that there are 10 new debuts in the top 20! So for them to only drop 13 spots ain't bad.
Probably won't stay in the top 20 on Billboard but may be close

Usual week 2 drops for U2 and most big releases is in the 60-70% range because their first week is front loaded with preorders and the fan base. A 50% drop with NO promotion in the US is actual a very impressive hold.


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Old 10-29-2014, 09:52 AM   #118
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Usual week 2 drops for U2 and most big releases is in the 60-70% range because their first week is front loaded with preorders and the fan base. A 50% drop with NO promotion in the US is actual a very impressive hold.


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I agree, except, after I thought about it, it makes a lot of sense.

U2 had a MUCH shorter pre-order time than these other artists who release in a more traditional way.

They had pre-orders going for at least a month or more, and I think SOI, was around 2 weeks or so.

So when there is that much pre-order time, they will inevitably have a larger decline in the second week, and as such, U2 had a smaller decline because of less pre-order time.

I mean, I think Taylor Swift has had like 2 months of pre-order time. So while she's "setting the record" for having 3 releases open with over a million units, it really is kinda bullshit.

I mean, when N'sync and Eminem and people were opening with first week sales of over a million, it was on sales that happened THAT week. Not accumulated over 2 months.
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I'm surprised the album sold at all.

If -let's say- Interpol would've done the same and give YOU their album for free... would you then go and pay for it anyway? Sure in here everybody wants to have the (U2) album to complete the collection, but otherwise why?

It wasn't even Radiohead's "pay what you think it's worthy", which is like free but you'd feel bad if you don't pay anything.
It wasn't a "freeware" thing like you can download the first couple of minutes of every song, or you can download a couple of songs for free and pay for the rest.

No, it was 100% free. They wanted you to have it for free. They even got in trouble for giving you the album for free.
The fact that whatever number of people was willing to pay for it anyway is impressive by itself. Being top 2 in the world for one week is just amazing.
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I'm surprised the album sold at all.

If -let's say- Interpol would've done the same and give YOU their album for free... would you then go and pay for it anyway? Sure in here everybody wants to have the (U2) album to complete the collection, but otherwise why?

It wasn't even Radiohead's "pay what you think it's worthy", which is like free but you'd feel bad if you don't pay anything.
It wasn't a "freeware" thing like you can download the first couple of minutes of every song, or you can download a couple of songs for free and pay for the rest.

No, it was 100% free. They wanted you to have it for free. They even got in trouble for giving you the album for free.
The fact that whatever number of people was willing to pay for it anyway is impressive by itself. Being top 2 in the world for one week is just amazing.
This is a great post. I think that many members here that have been tracking sales and charts for 15 years or more, have gotten so used to the traditional release that it's hard to break away from that mindset.

Not only has the music industry completely changed, probably the most greatly in the last 5 years, but the way that this album was released is unprecedented.

They made a choice to give it away for free, so anyone buying the album after that really is a bonus.
I DO think the band probably thought the deluxe would sell a little better than it has, at least in the US and UK. Its done gangbusters in other Euro and SA countries.

I think they had a strategy with this acoustic stuff that they think everyone would be interested in and that's just not the case. That's the stuff for the big fans.

Anyway, I think they have done spectacularly, because I know that I would NEVER go out and buy an album that I got for free from ANY other band but this one.
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