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Old 10-31-2014, 04:04 PM   #151
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No, the 2 week(really 3) stands at just over 330 k!


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Old 10-31-2014, 04:05 PM   #152
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No, the 2 week(really 3) stands at just over 330 k!


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correct, 30k (maybe 40k?? the first week), 195k second, and 101k third = 326k for 3 weeks (or maybe 336k)
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1-it was free only to iTunes customers, so there is a very large segment of the population that was not given the opportunity to obtain the album.
If you wanted the album for free, you had 1 month to create a free itunes account. No need to buy anything.
They had the opportunity to obtain the album. For free. For one month.

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2-the promos they are doing are to sell albums. Perhaps also to sell tour tickets but to sell albums.
Probably this is a topic for a different thread, but I don't think they're trying to sell albums, I think they're trying to get people to listen and like the album they already have. And maybe sell a few tickets and albums in the process.

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3-if tracking the charting of SOI blows your mind as to your point of "why would people buy something that they were given for free",
Oh, no, that's not what blows my mind ("why people buy something they got for free").
What blows my mind is that people (here and in the media) are surprised or disappointed (or some even happy) that the album has not sell as good as somehow they expected. Like they keep forgetting that it was free.

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then why did the album hit number 1 in at least 10 countries and hit the top 10 in nearly every other country it was released( see points 1 & 2)
What would you say is the big surprise (for you)?
The pleasant surprise that [the album hit number 1 in at least 10 countries and sneaked into the top 10 everywhere else] or the disappointing surprise that [it barely reached the top 10 in some countries and it has low numbers]?
Because I believe that only one of those IS a surprise, and it's a great surprise, considering points 1 & 2.

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As far as expecting it to have "massive" sales, you would be correct in that would be a bit crazy being that it was made available to a large portion of people for free, for over a month.

Additionally, it is silly to compare this album with another artist or previous U2 albums because this release was very VERY different but that doesn't mean that some amount of sales are not expected.
Sure.
I just mean... as far as I can see reading this numbers under the light of "it was free!", this album was a huge success.

But reading this thread it seemed that the album flopped and it was pretty "meh"... at least that's how it comes across.

In other words, considering both the numbers and the circumstances, I would've expected for this thread to be a party, and it looks like a memorial.
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Old 10-31-2014, 05:12 PM   #154
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U2 slips to number 4 on the World Album Charts in it's third week, with sales of 101k.



Not too shabby for a free album.
Not bad at all.
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Old 10-31-2014, 05:13 PM   #155
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I beg to differ... those are incentives to buy the album IF you're already a fan.

If you're only a casual listener, you already have more songs than you really cared for about in the first place.

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I don't like repeating myself, and it's not my intention to single out Native Son in here (my comment applies to 90% of the posts in this thread), but I needed a post as an example to explain myself better on how I feel reading this otherwise very interesting thread, this is how I keep reading all these posts:



Promo? why? why would they promote the album? it was free!


Sure, but not if everybody already have the album for free...


a single and more radio play? how about not giving away their album for free?


They already had 20M people to get the album! They already surpassed that!


But... it wasn't free...


...what? it was free.. this doesn't make sense... there's less need to rush? and buy it straight away? no, it was free... there's no need to buy it now or never, they already have it! it was free!



Sorry, I do believe this thread IT'S REALLY INTERESTING, I love numbers, but I don't understand why somebody would expect that people would (massively) BUY something that they already was given for free. It really blows my mind.

Sorry, I don't understand your post, you seem to be in agreement with the points myself and others have already made, rather than disagreeing?
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Old 11-01-2014, 06:57 AM   #156
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U2 down by one position , now #5 in The Netherlands. Its 3rd week in the top 10 of

Not too shabby U2.
For a country with an audience ( that part of it that still buys records I would like to point out) general shitty taste apart form U2.
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Sorry, I don't understand your post, you seem to be in agreement with the points myself and others have already made, rather than disagreeing?
Probably you're right.

This is the point I was trying to make, I think I expressed myself better in here:

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as far as I can see reading this numbers under the light of "it was free!", this album was a huge success.

But reading this thread it seemed that the album flopped and it was pretty "meh"... or at least that's how it comes across.

In other words, considering both the numbers and the circumstances, I would've expected for this thread to be a party, and it looks like a memorial.
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Hey Cosmo, can you find the sales numbers for the first couple weeks for NLOTH for France, Italy, Spain, Portugal and maybe Netherlands and compare them to SOI's performance?



It's pretty amazing that it's even in the same ballpark...

So here is what I had tracked when NLOTH originally came out:

France:
Week 1-64k
Week 2-51k
Week3-24k

Japan:
Week 1-33k
Week 2-17k
Week 3-9k

Australia:
Week 1- 30k
Week 2-14k
Week 3- 8k

England:
Week 1- 157k
Week 2- 44k
week 3- 30k


I have Canada and the US also but didn't include them here. I have chart positions for almost every other country but not sales numbers by week.



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I beg to differ... those are incentives to buy the album IF you're already a fan.

If you're only a casual listener, you already have more songs than you really cared for about in the first place.
Yeah, I'm genuinely impressed that there is anybody at all buying this album, let alone so many that it is charting so well, especially in Europe. How the hell has it made number one anywhere, let alone two weeks in a row in a few countries! I'm not sure I would buy the physical copy of a free album no matter what band released it. I have absolutely no intention of ever buying Songs of Innocence, if that tells you anything. I'm not a collector. I have the music in one form, so I feel no need to buy exactly the same songs again.

Your point about the bonus disc being an incentive only for existing fans is also very true. There are plenty of times where I've had bonus tracks bundled into an album purchase and never once listened to those bonuses because I just don't care to hear some acoustic, demo, live, or remixed version. If it's a brand new track I'll check it out but otherwise I don't care. Take Chvrches' album for example. I bought the deluxe edition because I could get it for the same price as the regular one and has two extra new tracks, both of which I enjoy; it also came with a couple of remixes and a couple of live performances and I have never listened to them. If I were a casual U2 fan, I would've just downloaded Lucifer's Hands and The Crystal Ballroom (if I even heard about them) and ignored the rest, because I already have the main version of Every Breaking Wave, Cedarwood Road, etc.
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UK #28 (13) Week 3.

(and now only 5 spots above Coldplay, which is in its 24th week)
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UK #28 (13) Week 3.

(and now only 5 spots above Coldplay, which is in its 24th week)
Coldplay didn't give their album away free of charge, I am glad this is still in the top 40 in its 3rd week in all honesty
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Maybe this has been mentioned, but I kind of wonder if the 'free album' unintentionally creates some apathy that could lead to poor sales.

I know at least 3 people, indeed a small sample, who have still yet to take the time to listen to the their free copy.

Makes me wonder if, on some levels, people say to themselves, "well, how good could it be, U2 gave it away, so it might just suck" and hence they don't take time to listen or purchase SOI.

At least in America, "you get what you pay for" is pretty ingrained to our psyche.
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Maybe this has been mentioned, but I kind of wonder if the 'free album' unintentionally creates some apathy that could lead to poor sales.

I know at least 3 people, indeed a small sample, who have still yet to take the time to listen to the their free copy.

Makes me wonder if, on some levels, people say to themselves, "well, how good could it be, U2 gave it away, so it might just suck" and hence they don't take time to listen or purchase SOI.

At least in America, "you get what you pay for" is pretty ingrained to our psyche.
About some apathy to listen to the album, I could agree. Again, I believe that's why they're "promoting" the album, so the people takes their time to listen to it.

About the rest... I want to use that Nathan Fillion gif again...
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I agree somewhat with the apathy statement. But also think that it is most likely far outweighed by the casual, fairweather U2 fan, who might own, JT, or ATYCLB, but nothing else. They might give it a spin where they might not ever have checked it out at all without hearing a song on the radio to get them there.


That said, I think the cool thing about U2 doing a week on Fallon, and hopefully other US promo, and hopefully releasing EBW, will be that people will get to hear something, might like it and then have the album already to listen to. If they don't have it, then look it up and at that point will be available for SALE on iTunes.

My good friend and neighbor has listened to it some, and he would have never searched out and bought the album. A friend at work checked it out cause he saw stuff on FB about it, but probably would never have known about it if it was released traditionally.
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Interesting that the week on Fallon lines up with (I think) an Interference post predicting a 2015 tour announcement on or around November 22nd?

I could swear I read a thread predicting 11/22 announcement. Perhaps just wishful thinking.
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