N.A. Radio Play by Format, Billboard, & Video charts for Week 25

[beLIEve]

Another chart that shows the success of Sometimes in the U.S. - this is the Rick Dees Top 40 Adult Mix, which is played every weekend on many of the Adult Top 40 radio stations. The 2nd column is the current week's performance, and as you can see, Sometimes climbs another spot for this week...

Rick Dee's Weekly Top 40 Hit Radio Mix and Top 40 Hot Adult Mix
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May 13 - May 19, 2005
LW TW ARTIST TITLE

1 1 ROB THOMAS LONELY NO MORE

3 2 3 DOORS DOWN LET ME GO

2 3 KELLY CLARKSON SINCE U BEEN GONE

4 4 GREEN DAY BOULEVARD OF BROKEN DREAMS

5 5 LIFEHOUSE YOU AND ME

6 6 ANNA NALICK BREATHE (2 AM)

8 7 JET LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE

7 8 HOWIE DAY COLLIDE

9 9 GAVIN DEGRAW CHARIOT

15 10 DAVE MATTHEWS BAND AMERICAN BABY

13 11 THE KILLERS MR. BRIGHTSIDE

10 12 MAROON 5 SUNDAY MORNING

14 13 DURAN DURAN WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW

11 14 JESSE MCCARTNEY BEAUTIFUL SOUL

16 15 GWEN STEFANI F/ EVE RICH GIRL

17 16 U2 SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ON YOUR OWN

 

[beLIEve]

Radio and Records is the preferred chart for Top 40-50 radio shows

Other Top 40 radio shows, like Casey Casem and Dick Clark, use the Radio and Records radio play charts for their weekly shows. Just proves that even they don’t bother with Billboard – they are radio-based shows so they use the actual radio-based charts.

Straight from http://www.americantop40.cc/, you see the statement “Chart Listings for Casey's Shows (AC, Hot AC, CHR/Pop) are available at Radio & Records,” which I’ve been using every week for a while now as one of the sources for North American Radio Charts. I remember listening to these shows as a kid…and so kids who are listening to the various radio Top 40 or 50 chart shows are hearing Sometimes each week, as here are the chart positions for Sometimes on Radio and Records for Sometimes:

Adult Top 40 – 16
Pop – 48
AC – 44
Hot AC – 17

Even though it has been a VERY slow riser, Sometimes has been rising steadily on all 4 formats since March. It has been stuck between 14 and 17 on the Adult Top 40 and Hot AC, but it’s been in that range consistently for 3 months, which even for these very slow moving charts is impressive. The song has probably peaked or is peaking on most formats, and peaked long ago on Modern and Alternative Rock. I think the song’s modest success but universal critical praise set it up for several potential Grammy nominations.

 

[beLIEve]

Beyond Radio.com

I totally forgot about this chart...it's a comprehensive average of over 400 radio play charts compiled by DJ's, Radio Stations, The Rick Dees of the world, etc. Sometimes peaked at #6 on this chart several weeks ago, and it's still a respectable #15. Some songs are very similar to their BB Hot 100 positions...others are not. Sales are not a factor. Notice that Coldplay's Speed of Sound is the last song on what I cut and pasted at #60. It debuted on the Pop 100 at 75 this week on BB, too. Dr. Who, another indicator of where BB is way off on some songs, no doubt due to the download factor skewing results in a big way. More charts to come!

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For Week Ending May 7, 2005

TW LW 2W Weeks High
Points
1 1 1 12 **** NUMBER ONE ****
Lonely No More, Rob Thomas (#1 for 3 weeks)
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
1
87.6
2 2 3 10 Why Do You Love Me, Garbage
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
2
84.4
3 3 2 16 It's Like That, Mariah Carey (#1 for 1 week)
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
1
75.4
4 4 5 28 Mr. Brightside, The Killers
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
4
67.9
5 5 4 27 Boulevard Of Broken Dreams, Green Day (#1 for 14 weeks)
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
1
67.4
6 8 9 17 Holiday, Green Day
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
6
66.1
7 7 7 19 Rich Girl, Gwen Stefani f/ Eve (#1 for 1 week)
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1
62.1
8 6 6 23 Since U Been Gone, Kelly Clarkson
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
2
62.1
9 17 25 5 Hollaback Girl, Gwen Stefani
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9
58.5
10 9 8 11 Shiver, Natalie Imbruglia
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7
58.2
11 12 14 12 Smile Like You Mean It, The Killers
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11
57.7
12 10 10 9 Signs, Snoop Dogg
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10
57.0
13 16 17 6 Girl, Destiny's Child
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13
56.9
14 11 18 7 We Belong Together, Mariah Carey
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11
56.5
15 13 11 15 Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own, U2
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
6
51.3
16 28 74 3 **** LARGEST POINT GAIN ****
Don't Phunk With My Heart, Black Eyed Peas
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
16
50.3
17 18 22 7 One Thing, Amerie
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17
49.9
18 15 23 7 Behind These Hazel Eyes, Kelly Clarkson
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
15
49.9
19 22 35 6 Hate It Or Love It, The Game f/ 50 Cent
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
19
48.0
20 14 13 13 Obsession (No Es Amor), Frankie J featuring Baby Bash
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13
45.3
21 23 24 5 Jerk It Out, The Caesars
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21
45.0
22 20 15 18 Let Me Go, 3 Doors Down
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12
44.1
23 30 34 6 Lonely, Akon
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23
44.1
24 19 20 12 Candy Shop, 50 Cent f/ Olivia
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15
44.1
25 21 19 23 Collide, Howie Day
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19
43.6
26 26 47 4 One Word, Kelly Osbourne
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26
43.3
27 24 12 24 1, 2 Step, Ciara f/ Missy Elliott
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6
40.2
28 35 67 3 The Hand That Feeds, Nine Inch Nails
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28
40.1
29 29 32 8 Switch, Will Smith
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29
39.9
30 33 48 3 Feel Good Inc., Gorillaz
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30
39.8
31 31 29 13 An Honest Mistake, The Bravery
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5
39.3
32 25 16 23 Let Me Love You, Mario
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6
35.8
33 32 30 23 Karma, Alicia Keys
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21
35.7
34 38 36 15 Over, Lindsay Lohan
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34
35.3
35 27 21 9 Giving You Up, Kylie Minogue
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20
34.0
36 43 50 7 Chariot, Gavin DeGraw
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36
33.9
37 34 45 10 Sitting Waiting Wishing, Jack Johnson
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30
33.9
38 46 83 5 Oh, Ciara f/ Ludacris
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38
33.6
39 48 49 8 24, Jem
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39
32.9
40 36 26 25 Look What You've Done, Jet
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20
32.1
41 55 62 4 Be Yourself, Audioslave
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41
31.3
42 37 28 14 Dakota, Stereophonics
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13
30.9
43 40 31 11 Little Sister, Queens Of The Stone Age
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21
30.4
44 44 41 7 You And Me, Lifehouse
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41
30.4
45 52 81 4 Somewhere Else, Razorlight
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45
30.2
46 42 38 16 Work, Jimmy Eat World
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19
30.0
47 59 63 3 Beverly Hills, Weezer
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47
29.9
48 41 37 15 Mockingbird, Eminem
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20
29.8
49 47 42 17 Get Right, Jennifer Lopez
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3
29.7
50 49 58 9 Scars, Papa Roach
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49
29.4
51 45 39 15 Pieces, Sum 41
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
34
28.5
52 50 52 9 Goin' Crazy, Natalie
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
43
28.5
53 51 44 10 E-Pro, Beck
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
37
28.3
54 39 27 16 Caught Up, Usher f/ LL Cool J
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7
28.0
55 72 91 3 Helena, My Chemical Romance
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55
26.1
56 60 54 9 They, Jem
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30
26.1
57 61 43 14 Sleeps With Butterflies, Tori Amos
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28
26.1
58 58 68 3 Must Get Out, Maroon5
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58
26.0
59 62 57 11 Heavy On My Heart, Anastacia
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
45
25.6
60 *NEW* 1 ***** HIGHEST DEBUT *****
Speed Of Sound, Coldplay
Lyrics | Reviews | Listen / Buy
60
24.8

 

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real MUSIC GUIDE

Another up and coming online music store is real MUSIC GUIDE, part of Real Player and their venture into online music. Check out their top sellers in the Pop/Rock Adult Alternative Section. Since no one makes money off of a $.99 downloaded single or album track, I can't understand why the Best of 1980-1990 is not for sale as an album, but allows a person to download tracks only. The only explanation I can think of is that the strategy is to get customers to download tracks from multiple albums, and then hope the result is multiple album purchases instead of just one.

Either way, these charts are just another indication of the supposed battle between U2 and Coldplay for "Best Band in the World", which U2 clearly has this distinction locked up right now. I think history will treat U2 up in the ranks with The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, & Pink Floyd as the greatest bands of the 21st century. With U2 being relevant well into this century and being arguably the best live act in history, they may well be regarded at the top band of all time 20 years from now, which I think the Beatles still have that honor right now. U2 is often mentioned as having sold 140M+ albums. If you break up their career into three 8 year phases, it breaks down something like this:

1980-1988 Album sales = 59M
1989-1997 Album sales = 45M
1998-2005 Album sales = 50M

This is using the edge3's albums sales estimate posted a while back that looked like this:

Boy - 3M
October - 3M
War - 8M
UABRS - 8M
UF - 8M
WAIA - 2M
JT - 27M
R&H - 14M
AB - 17M
Zooropa - 8M
Pop - 6M
Best of 80-90 - 16M
ATYCLB - 12M
Best of 90-00 - 4M
HTDAAB - 8M (10M shipped already, though)
Total = 144M

This shows a very balanced, consistent career, and it's front-loaded since it assumes that each album had all it's sales in the year it came out, which is way off. If anything, since 1997, U2 have sold 56M albums from what was released in that period, and a conservative estimate of back catalog sales for that same period puts U2 at about 65M in albums sales since 1997. Has ANY BAND come close to that since 1997? I cannot think of one. Then look at their touring history...not only have they always been a major draw, but they had some of the most innovative tour ideas & themes of all-time as well. And today, their concert draw is arguably as high as it's ever been.

Anyway, here are the sales charts from real MUSIC GUIDE.

http://musicstore.real.com/music_store/genre?genreid=561&tab=chrts

Top Artists

1 Jack Johnson
2 U2
3 Coldplay
4 Gwen Stefani
5 Maroon 5
6 Sarah McLachlan
7 Norah Jones
8 Avril Lavigne
9 John Mayer
10 Red Hot Chili Peppers

Top Albums

1 Love Angel Music Baby Gwen Stefani $9.99
2 In Between Dreams Jack Johnson $9.99
3 Something To Be Rob Thomas $9.99
4 Songs About Jane Maroon 5 $9.99
5 A Rush Of Blood To The Head Coldplay $10.89
6 How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb U2 $9.99
7 Lifehouse Lifehouse $9.99
8 Cold Roses Ryan Adams $13.99
9 The Best Of 1980-1990 U2 (tracks only)
10 Chariot - Stripped Gavin DeGraw $9.99

Top Tracks

1 Hollaback Girl Gwen Stefani $0.99
2 Lonely No More Rob Thomas $0.49
3 Rich Girl Gwen Stefani $0.99
4 Hollaback Girl Gwen Stefani $0.99
5 Speed Of Sound Coldplay $0.99
6 Sitting, Waiting, Wishing Jack Johnson $0.99
7 You And Me Lifehouse $0.99
8 Vertigo U2 $0.99
9 She Will Be Loved Maroon 5 $0.99
10 Lonely No More Rob Thomas $0.99
11 Collide Howie Day $0.99
12 Clocks Coldplay $0.99
13 100 Years Five For Fighting $0.99
14 Better Together Jack Johnson $0.99
15 Beautiful Day U2 $0.99

 

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MGB charts (Midwest radio & video play) already updated

MGB charts updated (see title)

TOP 40 RADIO CHART
MAY 15 - 21, 2005
CHART WEEK #29 of 2005

TW LW 2W Single by Artist {Weeks Top 40, Top 10, @ #1} Peak
30. 30. 33. Some Cut - Trillville {4} #30
29. 31. 37. Untitled (How Can This Happen To Me) - Simple Plan {3} #29
28. 27. 20. Goin' Crazy - Natalie {12, 4} #8
27. 25. 17. Cold - Crossfade {13} #17
26. 20. 9. Almost - Bowling For Soup {15, 6} #8
25. 29. --- She's No You - Jesse McCartney {2} #25
24. 22. 13. Hold You Down - Jennifer Lopez f/Fat Joe {10} #13
23. 24. 30. We Belong Together - Mariah Carey {3} #23
22. 23. 26. Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own - U2 {7} #22
21. 21. 23. Scars - Papa Roach {8} #21

TOP 10 VIDEO CHART
EXPLANATION: Only those Video's which are from charted singles, album\cd's or current movie soundtrack recordings will be considered for inclusion on this chart.
MAY 15 - 21, 2005
CHART WEEK #29 of 2005

"Video" by Artist
TW LW 2W "Video" by Artist {Weeks Top 10, @ #1} Clip Peak
10. --- --- "Collide" by Howie Day {debut} #10
9. 10. --- "Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own" by U2 {2} #9
8. 9. --- "Hold You Down" by Jennifer Lopez f/Fat Joe {2} #8
7. 7. 4. "Let Me Go" by 3 Doors Down {12, 1} #1
6. 6. 8. "Girl" by Destiny's Child {4} #6
5. 4. 2. "Lonely No More" by Rob Thomas {7, 1} #1
4. 5. 7. "Holiday" by Green Day {3} #4
3. 3. 3. "Mr. Brightside (American Version)" by The Killers {6} #3
2. 1. 1. "Karma" by Alicia Keys {10, 2} #1
1. 2. 6. "Hollaback Girl" by Gwen Stefani {3, 1} #1

 

[edge3]

Re: real MUSIC GUIDE

....U2 is often mentioned as having sold 140M+ albums. If you break up their career into three 8 year phases, it breaks down something like this:

1980-1988 Album sales = 59M
1989-1997 Album sales = 45M
1998-2005 Album sales = 50M

So, you reckon U2 have sold 154M ('official'?) albums worldwide? ....interesting & even possible (VH-1 recently said 180M)....

....BUT....

QUOTE]Originally posted by beLIEve
....This is using the edge3's albums sales estimate posted a while back that looked like this:

Boy - 3M
October - 3M
War - 8M
UABRS - 8M
UF - 8M
WAIA - 2M
JT - 27M
R&H - 14M
AB - 17M
Zooropa - 8M
Pop - 6M
Best of 80-90 - 16M
ATYCLB - 12M
Best of 90-00 - 4M
HTDAAB - 8M (10M shipped already, though)
Total = 144M

This shows a very balanced, consistent career, and it's front-loaded since it assumes that each album had all it's sales in the year it came out, which is way off. If anything, since 1997, U2 have sold 56M albums from what was released in that period, and a conservative estimate of back catalog sales for that same period puts U2 at about 65M in albums sales since 1997. Has ANY BAND come close to that since 1997? I cannot think of one. Then look at their touring history...not only have they always been a major draw, but they had some of the most innovative tour ideas & themes of all-time as well. And today, their concert draw is arguably as high as it's ever been.
[/QUOTE]

....these figures for each album were not meant to be 'front loaded' or first year sales - these are my 'official' estimated total album sales TO DATE based on all the sales info I've read/heard about U2 over the years....

....but I do agree that U2 have probably sold about 56-65M albums worldwide since 1997 & (for bands/groups at least) possibly only the Beatles have sold more since 1997 : '1' has sold est. 30M + est. 4-5M catalogue album sales per year = 60M+.

....also - thanks for all the chart info again.

 

[BigMacPhisto]

Wow. Lots of great info there! Pat yourself on the back once again, beLIEve!

 

[beLIEve]

Re: Re: real MUSIC GUIDE

So, you reckon U2 have sold 154M ('official'?) albums worldwide? ....interesting & even possible (VH-1 recently said 180M)....

....BUT....

QUOTE]Originally posted by beLIEve
....This is using the edge3's albums sales estimate posted a while back that looked like this:

Boy - 3M
October - 3M
War - 8M
UABRS - 8M
UF - 8M
WAIA - 2M
JT - 27M
R&H - 14M
AB - 17M
Zooropa - 8M
Pop - 6M
Best of 80-90 - 16M
ATYCLB - 12M
Best of 90-00 - 4M
HTDAAB - 8M (10M shipped already, though)
Total = 144M

This shows a very balanced, consistent career, and it's front-loaded since it assumes that each album had all it's sales in the year it came out, which is way off. If anything, since 1997, U2 have sold 56M albums from what was released in that period, and a conservative estimate of back catalog sales for that same period puts U2 at about 65M in albums sales since 1997. Has ANY BAND come close to that since 1997? I cannot think of one. Then look at their touring history...not only have they always been a major draw, but they had some of the most innovative tour ideas & themes of all-time as well. And today, their concert draw is arguably as high as it's ever been.

....these figures for each album were not meant to be 'front loaded' or first year sales - these are my 'official' estimated total album sales TO DATE based on all the sales info I've read/heard about U2 over the years....

....but I do agree that U2 have probably sold about 56-65M albums worldwide since 1997 & (for bands/groups at least) possibly only the Beatles have sold more since 1997 : '1' has sold est. 30M + est. 4-5M catalogue album sales per year = 60M+.

....also - thanks for all the chart info again. [/QUOTE]
****************************************************

I can't add, that's all. It should say 40M since 1998, 46M since 1997, and about 57M (12M back catalog that would need to come out of the first two "phases"). My mistake

 

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Sometimes slipping on several formats

mediabase.com updates their radio play charts daily, but comparing today versus last Monday, here's what's happening to Sometimes:

Hot AC
Sometimes drops from 16 to 17

Rock
Sometimes drops 3 spots to 28

Triple A
Sometimes drops 1 to 3

mediabase only shows the top 20 or 30 positions on their public site, but both mediaguide and the more accurate radio & records show Sometimes still rising on the Pop format and AC format. It is likely that the song has probably peaked or will peak on all formats soon, just in time for COBL. I have no idea or predictions on how COBL will do as a single...this is a case where the video, which should not be the radio edit, should be pretty cool and show one of the highlights of the tour, musically and visually. That could help the song catch on with radio, but who knows. The Bomb has sold a lot of "legit" albums in an industry that's in the tank due to piracy & free downloading...I really wonder how many people "are on the fence" about legally purchasing the album at this point...but time will tell. I thought 4 shows in a major market like Chicago would increase sales significantly, but no sign of the album on the Hits Top 50, anyway. I still expect an increase, though.

 

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NMC

Net Music Countown has Sometimes up on two formats:

Alternative:

Sometimes rises 1 spot to #9

Hot AC

Sometimes rises 2 spots to #8

Album sales

HTDAAB holds steady at #7

 

[beLIEve]

More evidence that Sometimes has peaked

mediaguide, the 2nd largest radio monitoring source other than Radio and Records, updated today and shows that Sometimes has peaked but Vertigo and ABOY still have a presence on a few radio formats:

AC
Sometimes falls from 44 to 48...short run on that format

College Singles
Sometimes re-enters the Top 100 at 86 w/bullet...volatile chart

Hot AC
Sometimes holds at 21 but is losing ground
Vertigo slides to 46 after it's re-entry that peaked at 40

Mainstream Rock
Vertigo at 37 but with a bullet
ABOY at 48 w/bullet

Triple A
Sometimes slides from 2 to 3

Most played "album cuts" on rock
HTDAAB rises from 19 to 13

I'm sure U2 has been all over the radio in Chicago, NY, Boston, Philly, and NJ with the tour 1st leg wrapping up in these areas. That might be why rock radio played Vertigo and ABOY more in the last few weeks, and as for album cuts, COBL has been on several Northeastern radio station playlists for a while now. I hope it starts showing up on the national radio formats sooner than later.

 

[edge3]

Re: Re: Re: real MUSIC GUIDE

....these figures for each album were not meant to be 'front loaded' or first year sales - these are my 'official' estimated total album sales TO DATE based on all the sales info I've read/heard about U2 over the years....

....I think I misunderstood what you were saying about my estimated sales being 'front loaded' : so, yes, in the context of you're original estimated sales divided into 3 phases my estimated album sales ARE front loaded.

....also....

I can't add, that's all. It should say 40M since 1998, 46M since 1997, and about 57M (12M back catalog that would need to come out of the first two "phases"). My mistake

Right....so a conservative estimate of 57M since 1997 - including back catalogue....Gotch ya!

 

[edge3]

Re: Re: Re: real MUSIC GUIDE

If anything, since 1997, U2 have sold 56M albums from what was released in that period, and a conservative estimate of back catalog sales for that same period puts U2 at about 65M in albums sales since 1997. Has ANY BAND come close to that since 1997? I cannot think of one. Then look at their touring history...not only have they always been a major draw, but they had some of the most innovative tour ideas & themes of all-time as well. And today, their concert draw is arguably as high as it's ever been.

....but I do agree that U2 have probably sold about 56-65M albums worldwide since 1997 & (for bands/groups at least) possibly only the Beatles have sold more since 1997 : '1' has sold est. 30M + est. 4-5M catalogue album sales per year = 60M+.

I've just done a bit of research &, I hate to say it, but I think the Backstreet Boys have sold more albums than U2 since 1997 - probably 70M+.

For individual artists I would say Shania Twain & Celine Dion have also probably sold more albums than U2 since 1997.

 

[ybird3k]

Backstreet Boys!!
70M+

Surely Not?

 

[edge3]

I'm afraid so, here's the figures :

17M min. worldwide (14M in US, 3M in Europe) : BACKSTREET BOYS (released 21/9/1996)
25M (5M in Europe) : BACKSTREET 's BACK (1997) - Official Site + IFPI
30M (13M in US, 2M in Europe) : MILLENNIUM (1999) - Official Site + IFPI
15M : BLACK & BLUE (2000) - Official Site
1M (Europe sales only) : GREATEST HITS - CHAPTER ONE
Total = 88M from Sept 1996-2005 or 71M+ from 1997-2005

The worldwide figures are all from the same source as the recent JT, AB, BO U2 figures (in the "Where U2 stands...." thread) - except Backsteet Boys & Greatest Hits which are still official.

I also have a copy of Musicweek from Nov 2000 which says that Backsteet Boys had sold 55M up to that point - obviously this doesn't include thair last 2 albums (16M min.) so I would say they've easily sold 70M+ albums since 1997.

 

[STING2]

I'm afraid so, here's the figures :

17M min. worldwide (14M in US, 3M in Europe) : BACKSTREET BOYS (released 21/9/1996)
25M (5M in Europe) : BACKSTREET 's BACK (1997) - Official Site + IFPI
30M (13M in US, 2M in Europe) : MILLENNIUM (1999) - Official Site + IFPI
15M : BLACK & BLUE (2000) - Official Site
1M (Europe sales only) : GREATEST HITS - CHAPTER ONE
Total = 88M from Sept 1996-2005 or 71M+ from 1997-2005

The worldwide figures are all from the same source as the recent JT, AB, BO U2 figures (in the "Where U2 stands...." thread) - except Backsteet Boys & Greatest Hits which are still official.

I also have a copy of Musicweek from Nov 2000 which says that Backsteet Boys had sold 55M up to that point - obviously this doesn't include thair last 2 albums (16M min.) so I would say they've easily sold 70M+ albums since 1997.

That list of worldwide album sales figures was riddled with all kinds of incorrect figures plus figures that were not included. One of the incorrect figures was the Backstreet Boys with their MILLENNIUM album.

Lets remember that 70% of all albums sold on the planet are sold in the United States and Europe. The RIAA and IFPI cover these area's and it is easy to get an accurate estimate on the total sales of any album released since 1994 thanks to the start of the IFPI. By extrapolating the European figure for the remaining 30% of the world, plus adding the RIAA figure, one can arrive at a slightly overestimated figure for the total sales of any album. Inflated record label figures or lists without facts backing them up are not needed when it is easy enough to find out at a minimum 70% of the exact sales(shippments) of the album.

So for the Backstreet Boys we have:

Backstreet Boys (14 million USA; 3 million Europe; 3 million ROW)

TOTAL: 20 million worldwide

Backstreets Back (5 million Europe; 5 million ROW)

TOTAL: 10 million worldwide

MILLENNIUM (13 million USA; 2 million Europe; 2 million ROW)

TOTAL: 17 million worldwide


BLACK & BLUE (8 million USA: under 1m Europe; under 1m ROW)

TOTAL: 9 million worldwide


THE HITS- CHAPTER ONE (1 million USA; 1 million Europe; 1m ROW)

TOTAL: 3 million worldwide


TOTAL album sales worldwide: 59 million


That brings their total since 1997 to 59 million, and that figure is indeed a little higher than what the actual figure is since what an album sells in Europe on average will be higher than the figure for ROW.

There is no way in hell that MILLENNIUM sold 30 million copies with only 2 million in sales in Europe. Saying that sold 2 million in the ROW is probably to high.

Even worse is the figure for Backstreets Back, and album that was not released in the USA and only sold 5 million in Europe, yet the record label or someone else claims 25 million in sales? Virtually impossible. 10 million is an overestimate.


Black & Blue flopped overseas and was unable to even reach the 1 million mark in Europe. In addition, despite shipping initially in the first few weeks, 8 million copies in the USA, Soundscan shows the album only sold 5.5 million to date. I've never seen an album where retailers over ordered so many copies. Unless they made a large enough profit on the 5.5 million they did sell, retailers lost money on this album.

 

[edge3]

Believe me, I appreciate what you're saying STING2 and I would love to be able to exclude the Backstreet Boys on the basis that they were just a boy band...but that would just be too unfair, I mean they're still a 'band'...

...I agree that the 30M figure for Millenium seems a bit excessive....but 22M is still possible (70% of 22M = US + Europe figure of 15M).

Also - so why the hell does the 'official' RIAA version from Oct 2003 also have a figure of 30M for Millenium & 25M for Backstreet Boys (although this was released in Sept 1996 so it might have only sold 15-20M since 1997)? Is this rubbish as well?

....and what about the figure of 55M from Musicweek - the UK music industry bible - in Oct 2000? If we add on your estimated sales from their last 2 albums - 12M - to this figure we've still got a total of 67M which is still probably just more than U2 or any other band in the world, since 1997.

OK, so what are we saying then? Well, the RIAA site from 2003 currently has Backstreet Boys at 36M units sold/shipped in US since Sept 96 + 11M IFPI Europe + 10-12M ROW(?) = 57-59M...OK, so maybe they haven't sold more albums than U2 (56-65M) since 1997 - & I sure hope they haven't - but, whatever the figure (57M or 67M), you've got to admit, it must be pretty damn close.

 

[STING2]

Believe me, I appreciate what you're saying STING2 and I would love to be able to exclude the Backstreet Boys on the basis that they were just a boy band...but that would just be too unfair, I mean they're still a 'band'...

...I agree that the 30M figure for Millenium seems a bit excessive....but 22M is still possible (70% of 22M = US + Europe figure of 15M).

Also - so why the hell does the 'official' RIAA version from Oct 2003 also have a figure of 30M for Millenium & 25M for Backstreet Boys (although this was released in Sept 1996 so it might have only sold 15-20M since 1997)? Is this rubbish as well?

....and what about the figure of 55M from Musicweek - the UK music industry bible - in Oct 2000? If we add on your estimated sales from their last 2 albums - 12M - to this figure we've still got a total of 67M which is still probably just more than U2 or any other band in the world, since 1997.

OK, so what are we saying then? Well, the RIAA site from 2003 currently has Backstreet Boys at 36M units sold/shipped in US since Sept 96 + 11M IFPI Europe + 10-12M ROW(?) = 57-59M...OK, so maybe they haven't sold more albums than U2 (56-65M) since 1997 - & I sure hope they haven't - but, whatever the figure (57M or 67M), you've got to admit, it must be pretty damn close.

RIAA does not do audits of albums sales outside of the United States. Any information it list would come from other sources and I believe the list was a set of "estimates". Musicweek once again is does not certify or audit sales in the UK or anywhere else. The BPI handles the UK audits.

Millenium sold 13 million in the USA and 2 million in Europe. There is no evidence that it sold 7 million in the ROW. Its highly unlikely and the ROW figure is usually less than the European figure. Thats why 17 million is most likely the highest sales figure that Millenium could have.

I stated 59 million before, but I think the actual figure is probably more like 55 million as I think its a slight over estimate to say that ROW sales would equal European sales.

 

[phanan]

Lets remember that 70% of all albums sold on the planet are sold in the United States and Europe. The RIAA and IFPI cover these area's and it is easy to get an accurate estimate on the total sales of any album released since 1994 thanks to the start of the IFPI. By extrapolating the European figure for the remaining 30% of the world, plus adding the RIAA figure, one can arrive at a slightly overestimated figure for the total sales of any album. Inflated record label figures or lists without facts backing them up are not needed when it is easy enough to find out at a minimum 70% of the exact sales(shippments) of the album.

I don't argue your point, but in the end, your analysis is just a guess.

Those figures come from official sources, and that was the only point in posting that list, to get an idea of what the top albums appear to be. Now are some of those number inflated? Absolutely. But these are the numbers released to the press, so that's why they get used in different articles.

This was the press release regarding the Backstreet Boys' Millennium album:


Black & Blue Breaks International Record

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Pop idols the Backstreet Boys (news - web sites)
sold five million copies of their new album in its first week of worldwide
release, setting a new international record, the group's publicist said
Tuesday.

In the United States alone, ``Black & Blue'' (Jive) sold 1.6 million units
in the six days from its Nov. 21 street date, enough to replace the Beatles
at the top of the charts.

The Backstreet Boys can lay claim as the first act to achieve million-plus
first-week U.S. sales with back-to-back albums, said publicity firm Mitch
Schneider Organization (MSO). Their last album, ``Millennium,'' debuted with
a then-record 1.1 million copies in May 1999. Its worldwide sales stand at
more than 30 million, MSO said.

Details of the previous international record for an album's first week sales
were not given in the statement.

``Black & Blue'' is already multi-platinum in Canada (5 times), Japan,
Korea, Mexico and Venezuela; platinum in Arabia (Gulf), Argentina, Brazil,
Colombia, Denmark, Germany, India, Ireland, Italy, Malaysia, New Zealand,
Philippines, Spain, Taiwan, Thailand and the United States; and gold in
Austria, Belgium, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal,
Sweden, Switzerland and the U.K. Different countries have different
definitions of gold and platinum.


Yes, it's their own publicity firm releasing that figure, so do I think it's 100% correct? No way (and personally, I wish it hadn't sold anything). But this is a number that has been released, and that's why we see it used.

 

[STING2]

Shania Twain's global sales estimate:


Shania Twain (1 million USA; under 1m Europe; under 1 m ROW)

TOTAL: 2 million

The Women In Me (12 million USA; 2 million Canada; under 1m Europe; under 1m ROW)

The Women In Me is one of the biggest selling albums in Canadian history so it definitely so Canadian sales needs to have its own mention.

TOTAL: 15 million

Come On Over (20 million USA; 2 million Canada; 7 million Europe; 7 million ROW)

TOTAL: 36 million

UP (5.5 million USA; 1 million Canada; 2 million Europe; 2 million ROW)

TOTAL: 10.5 million

Greatest Hits (3 million USA; .6 million Canada; 1 million Europe; 1 million ROW)

TOTAL: 5.6 million


Over All total for Shania Twain is 69.1 million worldwide.

But 11 million of this total was sold PRIOR to 1997.

This puts Shania Twain's total since 1997 at:

58 million

This is close to U2's figure since 1997 of 60 million, but still slightly less.

 

[STING2]

I don't argue your point, but in the end, your analysis is just a guess.

Those figures come from official sources, and that was the only point in posting that list, to get an idea of what the top albums appear to be. Now are some of those number inflated? Absolutely. But these are the numbers released to the press, so that's why they get used in different articles.

This was the press release regarding the Backstreet Boys' Millennium album:


Black & Blue Breaks International Record

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Pop idols the Backstreet Boys (news - web sites)
sold five million copies of their new album in its first week of worldwide
release, setting a new international record, the group's publicist said
Tuesday.

In the United States alone, ``Black & Blue'' (Jive) sold 1.6 million units
in the six days from its Nov. 21 street date, enough to replace the Beatles
at the top of the charts.

The Backstreet Boys can lay claim as the first act to achieve million-plus
first-week U.S. sales with back-to-back albums, said publicity firm Mitch
Schneider Organization (MSO). Their last album, ``Millennium,'' debuted with
a then-record 1.1 million copies in May 1999. Its worldwide sales stand at
more than 30 million, MSO said.

Details of the previous international record for an album's first week sales
were not given in the statement.

``Black & Blue'' is already multi-platinum in Canada (5 times), Japan,
Korea, Mexico and Venezuela; platinum in Arabia (Gulf), Argentina, Brazil,
Colombia, Denmark, Germany, India, Ireland, Italy, Malaysia, New Zealand,
Philippines, Spain, Taiwan, Thailand and the United States; and gold in
Austria, Belgium, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal,
Sweden, Switzerland and the U.K. Different countries have different
definitions of gold and platinum.


Yes, it's their own publicity firm releasing that figure, so do I think it's 100% correct? No way (and personally, I wish it hadn't sold anything). But this is a number that has been released, and that's why we see it used.

My analysis is FAR more than a guess!

It is a fact that RIAA does official audits of album sales in the United States which covers 37% of the global music market. That is a fact!

It is a fact that IFPI does official audits of album sales in Europe. It covers 33% of the global market.

Together the RIAA and IFPI cover 70% of the global music market. It is rare and unusual that an album will have more sales from the ROW(rest of the world 30%) than it will from Europe that covers 33% of the market.

Lets remember that RIAA and IFPI do official audits of sales. Their not a record label or a promotion firm. They count what has been sold and that is it!

The music industry is often filled with HYPE and inflated figures and inflated stories of success. When your looking for ACCURATE information on sales figures whether it be for an album or concert tour, you go no further than the auditing organizations such as RIAA, IFPI, BPI, CRIA or for the concert industry Amusement Business.

RIAA certifies US sales not sales from any other country. A random list of sales from outside the USA that they put together is no more accurate than what some newspaper or a PR firm would do. The only thing that is 100% accurate from RIAA is its audits of US album sales. That is what they do.

On average, one can guage the global sales of an album with the figures from RIAA and IFPI because these two organization cover 70% of the music market.

As for the Backstreet Boys PR firms, they should take notice that "Millennium" only sold 2 million copies in Europe and Black & Blue failed to even sale 1 million! The PR firms are pure hype and provide no audited information to prove their claims. Their about 60% correct with their figures.

Once again, pay attention to the organizations that do the audits, that is where you will find the facts. Unfortunately, the IFPI just started in 1994 and does not certify albums released before that year. But for albums released since 1994, the IFPI combined with the RIAA allow one to get a very accurate estimate of any album's total album sales do to the fact that they cover 70% of the music market and sales in the remaining 30% of the market tend to be lower for American and Euopean artist than they are in their respective territories.

 

[phanan]

I certainly know where the official numbers come from for the U.S. and Europe, but not being able to adequately account for the remaining 30% in the ROW is a large loophole.

I understand your theory about the remaining 30%, but I think the sales fluctuate far too much for each artist in the ROW, and thus it is very difficult to determine the exact sales.

 

[STING2]

I certainly know where the official numbers come from for the U.S. and Europe, but not being able to adequately account for the remaining 30% in the ROW is a large loophole.

I understand your theory about the remaining 30%, but I think the sales fluctuate far too much for each artist in the ROW, and thus it is very difficult to determine the exact sales.

Its not a large loophole when you consider the fact that most "western artist" sale the majority of their albums in the USA and Europe. That is a fact. Taking the European figure and extrapolating it over the remaining 30% gives one a slightly inflated figure of sales, but is generally a very accurate estimate.

In addition, sales figures from countries in the ROW will often be known such as Brazil, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, and Japan. These five countries combined make up over 50% of the ROW market. So its often possible to have precise sales figures for as much as 85% of the global market. Canada finally has a searchable database and it won't be long before the other four countries will have the same thing as well.

 

[STING2]

The Backstreet Boys and Shania Twain have not sold as many albums as U2 "all time" or since 1997.

Celine Dion though appears to have sold almost as much as U2 in her career if not more and she has definitely sold more albums than U2 and probably anyone for that matter since 1997.

Celine Dion's total album sales to date are 130 to 140 million worldwide. She has sold about 95 million albums since January of 1997. Celine Dion has sold somewhere between 10 million and 14 million albums in Canada alone. Somewhere because she has 4 Diamond albums and it is not know how close each of them is to double diamond status. The only artist that have sold more albums in Canada than Celine Dion are probably the Beatles.

I took the totals from the RIAA, IFPI, and CRIA and estimated for the ROW based on IFPI totals.

 

[Soldatti]

The Billboard 200 - Issue date: 28/05/2005

1 MATTHEWS*DAVE BAND STAND UP 464,559 999 471 465,352
2 WEEZER MAKE BELIEVE 192,782 999 958 193,785
3 CAREY*MARIAH EMANCIPATION OF MIMI 172,669 -13 197,448 1,198,128
4 50 CENT MASSACRE 89,725 -13 103,716 3,554,755
5 NINE INCH NAILS WITH TEETH 89,397 -67 271,563 361,789
6 BENTLEY*DIERKS MODERN DAY DRIFTER 74,917 999 278 75,199
7 STEFANI*GWEN LOVE.ANGEL.MUSIC.BABY 74,263 -6 78,738 2,017,702
8 THOMAS*ROB SOMETHING TO BE 66,752 -47 125,304 589,438
9 JONES*MIKE WHO IS MIKE JONES? 58,976 -9 64,540 386,363
10 SPRINGSTEEN*BRUCE DEVILS & DUST 53,738 -47 101,685 381,073
11 KILLERS HOT FUSS 52,289 -6 55,484 1,810,618
12 CLARKSON*KELLY BREAKAWAY 45,347 -17 54,473 2,103,481
13 CIARA GOODIES 44,380 -10 49,472 1,869,403
14 JOHNSON*JACK IN BETWEEN DREAMS 43,588 -8 47,528 898,916
15 WWE/CENA*JOHN & THA TRADEMARC YOU CAN'T SEE ME 43,418 999 133 43,553
16 IL DIVO IL DIVO 43,355 -42 74,525 339,481
17 GREEN DAY AMERICAN IDIOT 42,540 -10 47,477 3,465,906
18 STARTING LINE BASED ON A TRUE 41,752 999 107 41,861
19 PRESLEY*ELVIS ELVIS BY THE PRESLEYS 41,363 -16 49,358 90,806
20 VALENTINO*BOBBY DTP PRESENTS BOBBY VALENTINO 41,205 -35 63,313 284,723
21 VAN ZANT GET RIGHT WITH THE MAN 41,029 999 153 41,184
22 PLANT*ROBERT & THE STRANGE SEN MIGHTY REARRANGER 38,668 999 110 38,789
23 AKON TROUBLE 34,005 -17 40,957 855,479
24 NOW 18 NOW 18 33,774 -17 40,637 1,026,766
25 WILLIAMS*JOHN STAR WARS EPISODE III:REVENGE 33,057 -65 95,595 128,878
26 RASCAL FLATTS FEELS LIKE TODAY 31,617 -22 40,396 1,748,784
27 URBAN*KEITH BE HERE 29,711 -16 35,486 984,327
28 BECK GUERO 28,549 -15 33,639 447,544
29 FALL OUT BOY FROM UNDER THE CORK 27,897 -59 67,927 96,009
30 AMERIE TOUCH 27,161 -41 45,828 197,314
31 MESSINA*JO DEE DELICIOUS SURPRISE 26,750 -44 47,940 174,139
32 SMITH*WILL LOST & FOUND 26,040 -14 30,301 343,382
33 BUBLE*MICHAEL IT'S TIME 25,983 -31 37,515 448,907
34 LARRY THE CABLE GUY RIGHT TO BARE ARMS 25,843 -13 29,813 307,289
35 MUDVAYNE LOST & FOUND 25,708 -19 31,644 302,761
36 GAME DOCUMENTARY 24,567 -10 27,336 1,968,532
37 FRANKIE J ONE 24,354 -12 27,612 401,416
38 3 DOORS DOWN SEVENTEEN DAYS 24,339 -18 29,660 799,320
39 PHANTOM OF THE OPERA SOUNDTRACK 22,578 -22 29,079 598,556
40 SUGARLAND TWICE THE SPEED OF 22,349 -12 25,398 304,403
41 STONE*JOSS MIND BODY & SOUL 22,285 -20 27,699 747,219
42 EVANS*FAITH FIRST LADY 20,161 -21 25,544 340,030
43 WILSON*GRETCHEN HERE FOR THE PARTY 19,743 -32 28,962 3,546,175
44 SPOON GIMME FICTION 19,552 999 132 19,695
45 LUDACRIS RED LIGHT DISTRICT 19,286 -14 22,518 1,680,731
46 STYX BIG BANG THEORY 18,782 999 45 18,828
47 DADDY YANKEE BARRIO FINO 18,677 -13 21,571 582,190
48 LYFE LYFE 268-192 18,506 9 16,971 317,457
49 FANTASIA FREE YOURSELF 18,475 -24 24,217 1,409,100
50 NALICK*ANNA WRECK OF THE DAY 18,392 -10 20,341 98,134
51 CHESNEY*KENNY WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN 18,354 -13 21,106 3,453,421
52 TEAM SLEEP TEAM SLEEP 18,158 999 36 18,194
53 112 PLEASURE & PAIN 17,871 -18 21,793 314,944
54 LEGEND*JOHN GET LIFTED 17,346 -23 22,523 1,162,416
55 LOS BANDOLEROS LOS BANDOLEROS 17,182 999 422 17,604
56 MCCARTNEY*JESSE BEAUTIFUL SOUL 16,845 -11 18,989 805,304
57 EMINEM ENCORE 16,751 -16 19,940 4,552,906
58 ADAMS*RYAN COLD ROSES 16,745 -51 34,177 51,215
59 CHESNEY*KENNY BE AS YOU ARE 16,608 -27 22,626 886,956
60 LIFEHOUSE LIFEHOUSE 16,477 -15 19,456 208,837
61 MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE THREE CHEERS FOR SWEET REVENGE 16,350 3 15,930 650,946
62 GUNS N'ROSES GREATEST HITS 16,281 -10 18,077 2,102,572
63 VARIOUS VOL. 4-TOTALLY COUNTRY 16,134 -23 20,948 436,620
64 PAPA ROACH GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER 16,093 2 15,708 636,731
65 USHER CONFESSIONS 16,082 -20 20,216 8,893,753
66 WILLIAMS*LUCINDA LIVE AT THE FILLMORE 15,768 999 170 15,952
67 BIG & RICH HORSE OF A DIFFERENT COLOR 15,587 -15 18,420 2,153,192
68 MCGRAW*TIM LIVE LIKE YOU WERE DYING 15,539 -36 24,199 3,256,001
69 FOLDS*BEN SONGS FOR SILVERMAN 15,077 -33 22,366 87,722
70 TWAIN*SHANIA GREATEST HITS 14,944 -29 21,173 3,015,288
71 U2 HOW TO DISMANTLE AN ATOMIC BOM 14,303 -19 17,601 2,720,176
72 CROSSFADE CROSSFADE 14,179 -17 17,081 688,607
73 MAROON 5 SONGS ABOUT JANE 14,177 -25 18,814 3,910,195
74 GARBAGE BLEED LIKE ME 13,936 -22 17,923 159,841
75 KEITH*TOBY VOL. 2-GREATEST HITS 13,624 -12 15,440 2,386,029
76 T.I. URBAN LEGEND 13,487 -15 15,793 1,048,708
77 SIMPLE PLAN STILL NOT GETTING ANY 12,993 -0 13,012 1,085,976
78 SIGEL*BEANIE B.COMING 12,906 -20 16,037 303,228
79 DESTINY'S CHILD DESTINY FULFILLED 12,703 -14 14,834 2,639,109
80 NIVEA COMPLICATED 12,592 -53 26,612 39,320
81 CHARLES*RAY GENIUS LOVES COMPANY 12,485 -32 18,380 2,926,965
82 LIMP BIZKIT UNQUESTIONABLE TRUTH (PART 1) 12,236 -67 37,083 49,357
83 THREE 6 MAFIA CHOICES II 12,123 -32 17,743 115,999
84 LIL JON & THE EAST SIDE BOYZ CRUNK JUICE 12,001 -10 13,365 2,181,129
85 GRANT*AMY ROCK OF AGES 11,745 -50 23,469 12,746
86 PATRULLA 81 DIVINAS 11,372 -11 12,775 56,466
87 OMARION O 11,298 -20 14,195 494,091
88 ANDERSON*KEITH THREE CHORD COUNTRY & AMERICAN 11,111 -32 16,318 27,598
89 BREAKING BENJAMIN WE ARE NOT ALONE 10,957 -7 11,793 903,420
90 MCCLURKIN*DONNIE PSALMS HYMNS & SPIRITUAL SONGS 10,924 -31 15,860 116,555
91 LOPEZ*JENNIFER REBIRTH 10,850 -30 15,514 614,023
92 STRAIT*GEORGE 50 NUMBER ONES 10,674 -34 16,244 2,306,509
93 MARIO TURNING POINT 10,610 -19 13,132 1,055,819
94 VARIOUS WOW # 1'S 10,438 -38 16,701 48,852
95 DIARY OF A MAD BLACK WOMAN SOUNDTRACK 10,382 -27 14,233 77,327
96 QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE LULLABIES TO PARALYZE 10,357 -14 12,031 227,453
97 DAY*HOWIE STOP ALL THE WORLD NOW 9,890 -13 11,412 426,405
98 SPAMALOT CAST RECORDING 9,842 -41 16,762 26,821
99 MARS VOLTA FRANCES THE MUTE 9,776 -2 9,961 318,133
100 MAYER*JOHN HEAVIER THINGS 9,660 -23 12,626 2,442,649
101 KEANE HOPES & FEARS 9,658 -21 12,260 677,526
101 ADKINS*TRACE SONGS ABOUT ME 9,658 -25 12,955 159,107
103 LOS LONELY BOYS LOS LONELY BOYS 9,639 -35 14,841 2,068,823
104 MANN*AIMEE FORGOTTEN ARM 9,636 -47 18,220 28,038
105 TRICK DADDY THUG MATRIMONY 9,514 -9 10,429 803,858
106 KEYS*ALICIA DIARY OF ALICIA KEYS 9,425 -26 12,662 4,240,109
107 BLACK EYED PEAS ELEPHUNK 9,296 -14 10,773 2,624,648
108 KIDZ BOP KIDS VOL. 7-KIDZ BOP KIDS 9,112 -13 10,511 303,985
109 MONTGOMERY GENTRY YOU DO YOUR THING 9,107 -18 11,063 574,050
110 GROBAN*JOSH CLOSER 9,063 -50 18,120 4,612,599
111 PRESLEY*LISA MARIE NOW WHAT 8,788 -23 11,481 125,954
112 VALENTINE*BROOKE CHAIN LETTER 8,768 -13 10,085 152,841
113 PRINE*JOHN FAIR & SQUARE 8,695 -18 10,639 38,440
114 DEGRAW*GAVIN CHARIOT-STRIPPED 8,680 -12 9,879 446,439
115 SNOOP DOGG R&G (RHYTHM) 8,607 -17 10,400 1,555,798
116 GARDEN STATE SOUNDTRACK 8,564 -14 9,962 893,670
117 SLIPKNOT VOL. 3-SUBLIMINAL VERSES 8,473 -13 9,777 1,093,783
118 SHELTON*BLAKE BLAKE SHELTON'S BARN & GRILL 8,162 -18 9,904 378,071
119 BEACH BOYS SOUNDS OF SUMMER: VERY BEST OF 8,027 -17 9,648 1,556,536
120 JUANES MI SANGRE 8,021 -27 11,050 325,566
121 RAY SOUNDTRACK 7,972 -33 11,903 1,338,340
122 KEEN*ROBERT EARL WHAT I REALLY MEAN 7,929 999 76 8,006
123 PHANTOM OF THE OPERA-EXPANDED SOUNDTRACK 7,850 -13 9,049 188,866
124 WOMACK*LEE ANN THERES MORE WHERE THAT CAME FR 7,731 -25 10,368 283,286
125 PAISLEY*BRAD MUD ON THE TIRES 7,725 -24 10,144 1,870,262
126 BONE THUGS-N-HARMONY GREATEST HITS 7,704 -11 8,653 218,976
127 BRAVERY BRAVERY 7,627 -13 8,720 101,244
128 NEW ORDER WAITING FOR THE SIRENS' CALL 7,605 -36 11,975 43,605
129 PRAY FOR THE SOUL OF BETTY PRAY FOR THE SOUL OF BETTY 7,467 999 30 7,527
130 MCBRIDE*MARTINA MARTINA 7,332 -52 15,322 1,629,524
131 LAMBERT*MIRANDA KEROSENE 7,196 -23 9,306 136,092
132 MINT CONDITION LIVIN' THE LUXURY BROWN 7,114 -23 9,291 36,603
133 LAVIGNE*AVRIL UNDER MY SKIN 7,035 -12 7,986 2,706,129
134 ADAMS*BRYAN ROOM SERVICE 6,966 999 15 6,981
135 VARIOUS NOW 17 6,948 -11 7,809 2,942,585
136 SPEARS*BRITNEY GREATEST HITS:MY PREROGATIVE 6,847 -1 6,901 1,048,292
137 CHOSEN FEW EL DOCUMENTAL 6,831 999 242 7,294
138 STORY OF THE YEAR LIVE IN THE LOU/BASSASSINS 6,799 999 10 6,809
139 LEE*AMOS AMOS LEE 6,758 28 5,296 70,773
140 SWITCHFOOT BEAUTIFUL LETDOWN 6,741 -13 7,720 1,992,781
141 PITBULL M.I.A.M.I. (MONEY IS A MAJOR I 6,680 -6 7,099 422,946
142 VARIOUS WOW HITS 2005 6,663 -39 10,886 346,324
143 HAWTHORNE HEIGHTS SILENCE IN BLACK & WHITE 6,654 -18 8,082 284,758
144 BATES*JEFF RAINBOW MAN 6,625 -23 8,599 235,950
145 ROBINSON*SMOKEY DEFINITIVE COLLECTION 6,569 -63 17,903 24,508
146 BEE GEES NUMBER ONES 6,568 -42 11,271 495,158
147 BLOC PARTY SILENT ALARM 6,530 -13 7,469 61,495
148 DISNEY DISNEYMANIA 3 6,507 -19 7,985 217,817
149 CASTING CROWNS CASTING CROWNS 6,472 -34 9,872 383,531
150 VELVET REVOLVER CONTRABAND 6,361 -22 8,181 1,736,826
151 ROLLING STONES BEST OF JUMP BACK 6,346 -4 6,638 447,507
152 MCENTIRE*REBA ROOM TO BREATHE 6,327 -16 7,492 660,281
153 CHEVELLE THIS TYPE OF THINKING (COULD D 6,306 -10 7,042 548,959
154 BOWLING FOR SOUP HANGOVER YOU DON'T DESERVE 6,271 -14 7,319 391,038
155 JONES*NORAH FEELS LIKE HOME 6,269 -36 9,748 4,073,532
156 MOBY HOTEL 6,219 -19 7,643 124,277
157 BROOKS & DUNN GREATEST HITS COLL II 6,175 -28 8,520 574,143
158 PEYROUX*MADELEINE CARELESS LOVE 5,982 -32 8,786 254,764
159 LUNY TUNES & BABY RANKS MAS FLOW 2 5,956 -19 7,315 85,770
160 LIL SCRAPPY & TRILLVILLE KING OF CRUNK & BME RECORDINGS 5,927 -17 7,127 798,419
161 HOT HOT HEAT ELEVATOR 5,879 -4 6,125 59,847
162 RIMES*LEANN THIS WOMAN 5,853 -25 7,767 318,573
163 JEWELL*BUDDY TIMES LIKE THESE 5,837 -51 11,910 43,430
164 JAY-Z/LINKIN PARK COLLISION COURSE 5,780 -16 6,872 1,670,830
165 TUPAC LOYAL TO THE GAME 5,739 -12 6,511 1,030,325
166 PASSION WORSHIP BAND HOW GREAT IS OUR GOD 5,684 -4 5,931 8,113
167 GOOD CHARLOTTE CHRONICLES OF LIFE & DEATH 5,671 -5 5,985 966,498
168 USED IN LOVE & DEATH 5,670 -12 6,473 510,264
169 VERY BEST OF DEATH ROW VERY BEST OF DEATH ROW 5,667 -25 7,592 24,223
170 BOTTI*CHRIS WHEN I FALL IN LOVE 5,640 -35 8,658 450,544
171 BRIGHT EYES I'M WIDE AWAKE IT'S MORNING 5,594 -13 6,397 249,822
172 MOTLEY CRUE RED WHITE & CRUE 5,582 -20 7,020 349,023
173 MORGAN*CRAIG MY KIND OF LIVIN' 5,558 -27 7,650 105,358
174 WICKED ORIGINAL CAST RECORDING 5,549 -10 6,197 362,506
175 SHINEDOWN LEAVE A WHISPER 5,536 -10 6,173 828,001
176 STEWART*ROD STARDUST...GRT AMER SNGBK V3 5,535 -45 10,019 1,448,130
177 JET GET BORN 5,505 -18 6,707 1,485,392
178 RELIENT K MMHMM 5,497 -5 5,757 191,457
179 BEYONCE DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE 5,488 -15 6,442 4,076,000
180 VARIOUS 2005 GRAMMY NOMINEES 5,462 -12 6,183 469,150
181 RICE*DAMIEN O 5,441 -9 6,004 494,829
181 THEORY OF A DEADMAN GASOLINE 5,441 2 5,352 56,236
183 VARIOUS WOW GOSPEL 2005 5,427 -31 7,916 183,643
184 BABY BASH SUPER SAUCY 5,401 -17 6,505 129,784
185 TURNER*TINA ALL THE BEST 5,352 -46 9,843 488,899
186 OMAR*DON LAST DON, THE 5,278 18 4,485 184,290
187 CREED GREATEST HITS 5,252 -15 6,200 815,352
188 NELLY SUIT 5,211 -22 6,698 2,910,407
189 Z-RO LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD 5,193 -36 8,088 28,374
190 JARS OF CLAY REDEMPTION SONGS 5,102 -29 7,183 30,234
191 SMITH*MICHAEL W. HEALING RAIN 5,071 -15 5,998 131,466
192 RAVEONETTES PRETTY IN BLACK 5,011 -30 7,203 12,284
193 LARSEN*BLAINE OFF TO JOIN THE WORLD 4,941 -25 6,566 122,929
194 KORN VOL. 1-GREATEST HITS 4,936 -10 5,496 894,479
195 CELTIC WOMAN CELTIC WOMAN 4,912 -37 7,793 68,382
196 MCKNIGHT*BRIAN GEMINI 4,887 -35 7,480 285,561
197 KRAUSS*ALISON & UNION STATION LONELY RUNS BOTH WAY 4,824 -32 7,048 589,908
198 GRACIN*JOSH JOSH GRACIN 4,793 -31 6,935 411,808
199 BUFFETT*JIMMY LIVE IN HAWAII 4,770 -22 6,150 70,648
200 BABY EINSTEIN MUSIC BOX ORCHES BABY EINSTEIN:LULLABY CLASSICS 4,767 6 4,477 216,056

 

[Soldatti]

US Summary to date:
from 15/11/2004 to 21/11/2004 - ISSUE DATE: 04/12/2004 - Week 00 - B200: -- / Sales: 3,206
from 22/11/2004 to 28/11/2004 - ISSUE DATE: 11/12/2004 - Week 01 - B200: 1 / Sales: 839,724
from 29/11/2004 to 05/12/2004 - ISSUE DATE: 18/12/2004 - Week 02 - B200: 2 / Sales: 288,466
from 06/12/2004 to 12/12/2004 - ISSUE DATE: 25/12/2004 - Week 03 - B200: 2 / Sales: 280,332
from 13/12/2004 to 19/12/2004 - ISSUE DATE: 01/01/2005 - Week 04 - B200: 5 / Sales: 299,645
from 20/12/2004 to 26/12/2004 - ISSUE DATE: 08/01/2005 - Week 05 - B200: 3 / Sales: 350,013
from 27/12/2004 to 02/01/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 15/01/2005 - Week 06 - B200: 14 / Sales: 94,815
from 03/01/2005 to 09/01/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 22/01/2005 - Week 07 - B200: 12 / Sales: 59,233
from 10/01/2005 to 16/01/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 29/01/2005 - Week 08 - B200: 13 / Sales: 48,557
from 17/01/2005 to 23/01/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 05/02/2005 - Week 09 - B200: 22 / Sales: 35,907
from 24/01/2005 to 30/01/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 12/02/2005 - Week 10 - B200: 28 / Sales: 34,370
from 31/01/2005 to 06/02/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 19/02/2005 - Week 11 - B200: 31 / Sales: 35,052
from 07/02/2005 to 13/02/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 26/02/2005 - Week 12 - B200: 34 / Sales: 39,648
from 14/02/2005 to 20/02/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 05/03/2005 - Week 13 - B200: 20 / Sales: 56,692
from 21/02/2005 to 27/02/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 12/03/2005 - Week 14 - B200: 41 / Sales: 26,532
from 28/02/2005 to 06/03/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 19/03/2005 - Week 15 - B200: 48 / Sales: 23,367
from 07/03/2005 to 13/03/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 26/03/2005 - Week 16 - B200: 54 / Sales: 18,882
from 14/03/2005 to 20/03/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 02/04/2005 - Week 17 - B200: 39 / Sales: 23,644
from 21/03/2005 to 27/03/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 09/04/2005 - Week 18 - B200: 34 / Sales: 34,227
from 28/03/2005 to 03/04/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 16/04/2005 - Week 19 - B200: 44 / Sales: 20,919
from 04/04/2005 to 10/04/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 23/04/2005 - Week 20 - B200: 39 / Sales: 19,386
from 11/04/2005 to 17/04/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 30/04/2005 - Week 21 - B200: 39 / Sales: 19,935
from 18/04/2005 to 24/04/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 07/05/2005 - Week 22 - B200: 44 / Sales: 18,856
from 25/04/2005 to 01/05/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 14/05/2005 - Week 23 - B200: 57 / Sales: 17,013
from 02/05/2005 to 08/05/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 21/05/2005 - Week 24 - B200: 66 / Sales: 17,601
from 09/05/2005 to 15/05/2005 - ISSUE DATE: 28/05/2005 - Week 25 - B200: 71 / Sales: 14,303

Total: 2,720,176

 

[edge3]

71 U2 HOW TO DISMANTLE AN ATOMIC BOM 14,303 -19 17,601 2,720,176

Nasty drop in sales for Bomb but seems to be a VERY small week for sales overall.

Thanks for the figures Soldatti.

 

[STING2]

THANKS SOLDATTI for the figures!

This is the largest drop we have seen in some time with the album falling to 14,303 in sales. Hopefully the special Friday morning will be seen by many and will see a spike up in next weeks sales.


Week 25 in the USA comparison between ATYCLB and BOMB:

ATYCLB:

#45 30,000 copies sold TOTAL: 2,394,000


HTDAAB:


#71 14,303 copies sold TOTAL: 2,720,176

 

[edge3]

THANKS SOLDATTI for the figures!

This is the largest drop we have seen in some time with the album falling to 14,303 in sales. Hopefully the special Friday morning will be seen by many and will see a spike up in next weeks sales.


Week 25 in the USA comparison between ATYCLB and BOMB:

ATYCLB:

#45 30,000 copies sold


HTDAAB:


#71 14,303 copies sold TOTAL: 2,720,176

Notice that the #45 album this week sold 19,286 : 36% down on ATCYLB's #45 total in 2001!!

It's been said before but I'll say it again - I reckon Bomb would now have sold 3.5M with the chart from 2000-2001.

 

[beLIEve]

Radio & Records, ARC Top 40, Canada airplay, and MTV surprise

After looking at countless charts and formats, Radio and Records seems to be the most accurate measure of a songs popularity on Radio, and the ARC is the most accurate measure of a songs total popularity considering airplay and video play. Billboard's specific formats are very similar to R&R, except for the Hot 100 and Pop 100, where CD sales, downloads, airplay, and who knows what else goes into the equation.

That being said, Sometimes has definitely peaked on R&R and COBL needs to be released to radio ASAP. Here's the chart positions for Sometimes by format:

Hot AC
Sometimes down 1 to 17

Pop
Sometimes down 1 to 49

Triple A
Sometimes down 2 to 3 after a very long run at the top

ARC Top 40
Sometimes plunges from 20 to 32 after a strong run on this chart
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Canadian Radio & Records

Hot AC
Sometimes rises 1 to #4 w/bullet

Rock
Sometimes holds at #10 again
ABOY #3 on most played recurrents - would be at #27 on chart

AC
Sometimes holds at 22 w/bullet

Canadian Top 100 singles (Airplay only)
Sometimes holds at #4 for the 3rd week
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MTV just updated their weekly Top 20 videos, and Sometimes actually rises one spot from 10 to 9. While U2 gets video support from all the music video channels, many times it's short-lived, especially on MTV. Not the case for Sometimes, though.

As for album sales, I am not really surprised. If anyone is inspired to get the album or some of the songs from the album heard in concert, they are all over the internet. I guess it is true that U2 is the most pirated band out there. The way their songs improve as they play them live on tour, I wouldn't doubt that many people are happy to simply download the concerts, which again are everywhere on the net. I've got at least 10 shows myself, and that's what I'm listening to now.