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I've seen all those interesting threads on album sales over here, so DoctorWho, STING2, or anybody else...can you awnser this:
which bands/artists have sold 100 million records worldwide ?

who are the absolute biggest sellers of all-time. It would be interesting to know who has accomplished such a thing...
 
Unfortunately, there is no known resource to look up or answer your question. Certainly several artist have had their worldwide total sales published. I could do a list of maybe about 10 artist who have sold over a 100 million albums, but I'd have no way of knowing if it would be complete or not. Of course, for USA sales only, the RIAA has everything.
 
very tough

Sting speaks the truth, that worldwide sales are all but impossible to come up with. The U.S. is easy with Soundscan and the RIAA. The RIAA lists these artists as the top selling in the U.S.

I didn't list them all but went down to the ones that I thought could be eligible to meet the 100 million worldwide mark.


BEATLES, THE 164.50
LED ZEPPELIN 105.00
BROOKS, GARTH 104.00
PRESLEY, ELVIS 86.50
EAGLES 83.50
JOEL, BILLY 77.00
PINK FLOYD 73.50
STREISAND, BARBRA 67.50
JOHN, ELTON 64.50
AC/DC 63.00
AEROSMITH 60.50
MADONNA 59.00
JACKSON, MICHAEL 58.00
SPRINGSTEEN, BRUCE 56.50
ROLLING STONES, THE 53.50
CAREY, MARIAH 53.00
HOUSTON, WHITNEY 52.00
ROGERS, KENNY 50.50
STRAIT, GEORGE 50.50
VAN HALEN 50.50
DIAMOND, NEIL 49.00
METALLICA 48.00
FLEETWOOD MAC 46.00
U2 46.00
KENNY G 45.50
ALABAMA 44.50
DION, CELINE 40.50

From this list I would say the ones that either definitely or most likely have topped the 100 million mark are:


BEATLES, THE
LED ZEPPELIN
BROOKS, GARTH
PRESLEY, ELVIS
EAGLES
JOEL, BILLY
PINK FLOYD
JOHN, ELTON
MADONNA
MICHAEL JACKSON
U2

I would say that those would be the artists that are almost certainly on that list. Ones that could be questionable are Elton, Madonna, and Michael.

Others I would suspect, and are probably close would be:

Streisand??
Aerosmith??
Stones??
Metallica??
Celine Dion??

I guess there is a possibility of some artist that is really popular elsewhere in the world that wouldn't show up on this U.S. list. I am skeptical of this because sales are so much higher in the U.S. than other areas of the world, that for an artist to reach 100 million in sales, i would say that they MUST break into the U.S. market.

As for the biggest sellers of all time, I would say The Beatles, Led Zeplin and Elvis are probably the top 3 world-wide.

So these are my best guesses. I would say that there are probably anywhere from 9 - 15 artists on this exclusive list. U2 is one of them for sure, and that is pretty damn cool.
 
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few more facts

after doing a little searching, fan web-sites state that Celine, Whitney Houston and The Beach Boys have sold over 100 million worldwide.
 
I know that Celine and Whitney have sold over 100 million albums worldwide, but I'm not sure about the Beach Boys. Certainly the Beach Boys have sold 100 million records(records being singles and albums) but I seriously doubt 100 million albums for them.

Also, both Aerosmith and Metallica have yet to reach 100 million album sales worldwide. None of Aerosmiths 70s or early 80s material sold anything overseas and in the late 80s and 90s 60% to 75% of their sales continued to come from the USA. With Metallica around 70% of their sales come from the USA.

In general, I agree that for an artist to have sold more than 100 million albums worldwide, they have to be on the top 100 RIAA list for the USA, meaning at a minumum that would have to sale 15 million copies in the USA in reaching 100 million albums worldwide. In retrospect from what I said before, making a list based on that fact won't be to difficult.

33% of all albums sold in the world are sold in the USA. Another 33% come from Europe and the rest of the world is the other 1/3. With the USA at 33%, it would be very difficult for an artist to reach 100 million albums sold without having some good sales in the USA.
 
More info

Ok, after more digging I have come up with a list of artists that are reported either on fan sites or news sites that state sales of over 100 million albums.

Here is the list - I won't include the obvious ones (ie. Beatles, Elvis, Garth, U2, etc...)

Black Sabath/Ozzy
Aerosmith - mentioned over 100 million in sales on many different sites.
Kenny Rogers
Fleetwood Mac
Eagles
Elton John - one source said 200 million albums worldwide (sounds a bit steep to me)
Stevie Wonder
AC/DC
Julio Iglesias
Genesis
Bee Gees
A.R. Rahman - an Indian world music artist
Billy Joel
Perry Como
Michael Jackson
Mariah Carey
The Carpenters
Queen
Madonna


There you have it. There are probably some more, but this is what i have scrounged up. I can't say that this is 100% accurate, but most were mentioned on at least a few different sites which seemed pretty legitimate.

Comments and questions are welcome
 
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Here is the rough list of who I would say have sold over 100 million albums worldwide, based on RIAA info, IFPI(1994) info, BPI(british version of RIAA), and British album chart book. As a note, it is possible to have international success without significant sales in the UK or the USA, but it is rare that it would be to a degree of 100 million in album sales. The UK is a good gauge of measuring success in Europe of course this is an extrapolation, IFPI is best but only goes back to 1994. Albums were often not released or for sale in many underdevoloped parts of the world back in the 60s and 70s. Artist depending on sales from those time periods do not benifit from Global sales in those regions like artist do today. This would be much of Asia, Middle East, Africa, Central and South America. Also countries behind the Iron Curtain back then.

As always, totals listed in the media especially for older artist often confuse single sales with album sales. Singles were actually more popular in the 50s and 60s than albums. It was only until the mid to late 70s that the album really became the supreme format. So a lot 100 million sales figures that one here's of are often inflated with single sales.

First I'll list the artist who I would say without question have sold over 100 million albums based on the sources I listed. Next I'll list other contenders mentioned in this thread and why they did not make it.

The Beatles
Led Zeppelin
U2
Garth Brooks
Elvis Presley
Eagles
Billy Joel
Pink Floyd
Barbra Streisand
Elton John
AC/DC
Madonna
Michael Jackson
Bruce Springsteen
Rolling Stones
Mariah Carey
Whitney Houston
Fleetwood Mac
Celine Dion
Bee Gees
Stevie Wonder


Now the Contenders that don't make it and why:

Aerosmith-with Toys In The Attic hitting 8 million in the USA this week, total USA sales stand at nearly 63 million. Total sales in the UK for Aerosmith according to the BPI, 960,000! The UK is only 1/5 the size of the USA yet Aerosmiths sales in the UK are less than 1/63 that of their USA sales figure. IFPI only list to Aersomith albums at the 1 million level and no others. Bottom line, the evidence does not suggest Aerosmith has past the 100 million mark worldwide.

Kenny Rogers- a country artist with the vast majority of his sales coming from the USA.

Neil Diamond-Adult contemporary artist with the vast majority of his sales from the USA.

Eric Clapton- a tough one, possibly over 100 million worldwide, but the evidence is not there.

Simon & Garfunkel- popular worldwide, but USA sales at 22 million or to low to achieve a 100 million Global figure for a duo that was more popular in the States than anywhere else.

Carpenters- same as Simon & Garfunkel but with USA sales even lower.

Paul McCartney-again USA sales total just to low for a global total of 100 million.

Genesis-maybe if you combined Phil Collins solo sales which are actually more than Genesis sales. By themselves though, neither would make it past 100 million.

Frank Sinatra- sales to low in USA to get Global 100 million total.

Black Sabath/Ozzy-maybe but if your going to combine artist, there are others like Sting/Police and Phil Collins/Genesis that would qualify. Since were talking about individual artist and bands it does not count.

Julio Iglesias- unable to find evidence, low USA sales.

A. R. Rahman- unable to find anything.

Perry Como-same as above.

Queen-13 million in sales in the USA, while Queen has a huge global following, I can't find any evidence to indicate that they have sold 90 million albums outside the USA.

I estimate U2s sales to be about 120 million worldwide and while in the USA they stand at #24 in the rankings, worldwide I believe they probably come in at #10!
 
check out these links

Well, I can see where you might doubt some of the artists I listed. But I will provide links to the sources where i got the information.

Ozzy/Black Sabbath - The first source i ran into stated that both had sold over 100 million. I doubted this, so i checked some more. Looks like Sabbath has sold 100 million and Ozzy is well on his way.
http://www.hiponline.com/artist/music/o/osbourne_ozzy/
http://www.mybrum.co.uk/birmingham/celebs&gossip-Ozzy.htm
"Ozzy released 10 records with Black Sabbath. Black Sabbath sold over 100 million records (to date) worldwide. Ozzy left the band and went solo in 1979."
http://www.etown.edu/etownian/Spring2002/041202/style1.htm

(I will limit each artist to about 3 links even though there are usually many more)

Kenny Rogers - this guy has recorded 59 albums! it's almost impossible for him NOT to sell 100 million. :)
http://www.delafont.com/music_acts/Kenny-Rogers.htm
http://www.bowl.com/bowl/bpaa/common/news/record.html?record=4867
http://raptor.lmc.cc.mi.us/news/2001/100301-Kenny_Rogers.html


The Carpenters - Who knew they were so huge in Japan?
http://www.carpenterarts.org/carpenters2.html
http://ww2.mcgill.ca/psychology/levitin/carpenter.grammy.html
http://www.caperscabaret.com.au/2002_jade.htm
I think that while selling a TON of albums, that the 100 million is probably both albums and singles.


Genesis - This is a definite in my mind - sources include Q Magazine and Atlantic Records.
http://www.stevehackett.com/albums/turniton.htm
http://www.gutrecords.com/gutvisionfr.html
http://www.genesis-music.com/standard.htm
http://www.rissan.demon.nl/Genesis/miscellaneous/q_interview.htm
http://www.atlantic-records.com/new...346_main.jhtml;jsessionid=?_requestid=1404349

Beach Boys -
http://www.johnharms.org/beach.html


Aerosmith - There are about an equal number of sources claiming that they have sold 100 million and that they have sold "nearly" 100 million. Most of these sources are also a couple years old, so I would say by the time their new Best Of album comes out, they will hit the 100 million mark if they haven't already.
http://www.worlds.net/news/PressReleases/prn049.html
http://www.aerosmith.mu/aerosmith_photo_albums/MagazinePhotosArticles1994/smoke_june_2001/smoke.htm
http://www.nsyncworld.com/info/articles/21.shtml
http://parisvoice.com/01/mar/html/music.cfm
http://www.india-today.com/ttoday/052001/blast2.html


Julio Iglesias -
http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/card/0,,447097,00.html
http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/bio.asp?oid=2355&cf=2355
http://shopping.yahoo.com/shop?d=product&id=1927011379
"Julio is undeniably the most successful recording artist in history and on the planet, amassing over 100 platinum albums and a staggering 350 gold albums"{up to 1985}


A.R. Rahman -
http://www.savageandsavidge.com/rahman.htm
http://www.rahmanonline.com/articles/littleindia.shtml


Perry Como - could be album/singles combined but not sure.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/Music/05/12/como.obit/
http://www.wv-cis.net/~waggoner/pc/articles/threevillagetimes.htm


Queen - not a lot of info found on this one, but still a distinct possibility
http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/parliament/635/biography.htm
http://www.queen-rocks.com/~unicorn/files/hv_q93.txt


Madonna - only one mention of her selling this many albums
http://www.usc.edu/student-affairs/dt/V130/N02/01-madonna.02d.html


There you have it. make of it what you will, but i believe the above artists listed with links have either acheived 100 million albums sold or are very near. Again some older artists like Como, it's hard to distinguish if sales are just albums or albums and singles. Took awhile, but pretty interesting. :)

enjoy
 
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Julio and my list

As for Julio Iglesias - the statement made about amassing 100 platinum and 350 Gold albums is pretty impressive. I assume this is counting all of the certifications from all different countries (which means platinum and Gold don't necessarily equal 1 million and 500,000). It is questionable also whether this is meaning only albums or albums and singles as well. I'm sure his Latin American/South American sales are outstanding. Outstanding enough is in question.

So I guess my final list of people who I am 95-100 percent sure about would look like this:

BEATLES
LED ZEPPELIN
GARTH BROOKS
ELVIS
EAGLES
BILLY JOEL
PINK FLOYD
ELTON JOHN
MADONNA
MICHAEL JACKSON
U2
Aerosmith
Kenny Rogers
Fleetwood Mac
Stevie Wonder
AC/DC
Genesis
Bee Gees
A.R. Rahman
Mariah Carey


Those are 20 artists that are certain in my mind. Took some off of my original list because although widely reported as selling 100 million, the whole album/single confusion makes it very hard to determine.
 
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I really don't consider various media outlets that claim 100 million albums sales for artist to be accurate. The only 100% accurate sales informations comes from firms that actually do audits to confirm sales, like RIAA for the USA, IFPI for Europe, or in the UK the BPI. Canada has the CRIA.

The USA is 1/3 of the music market while Europe represents another 1/3. Together with Canada they comprise over 70% of all music sales, so with the sales info they provide it is easy and more accurate to gauge sales using those sites rather than inaccurate and unresearchable info thrown out there by media. Media often inflate sales. Record companies sometimes slightly inflate sales as well. Auditing firms like RIAA and IFPI do not. You get the straight facts from there. Problem with IFPI is that they do not yet certify albums released before 1994. But success in the UK is usually an indicater of success throughout Europe. If you cannot break the UK market, your most likely not going to break the Italian or French market. There for www.BPI.co.uk/ is a good gauge for album sales in Europe before 1994. Based on this and other RIAA info, I reached the following conclusions on Genesis, Kenny Rogers, Ozzy Osbourne, Black Sabbath and of course Aerosmith.

Genesis- They might well of sold 100 million albums based on the fact their record company says so and 6,360,000 in sales in the UK alone which is 50% higher on a per capita basis than their USA sales of 21.5 million. I'd put their global total at about 90 million just shy of the 100 million mark. Realize that U2 has sold over 9,000,000 albums in the UK, 50% more than Genesis. U2s album sales in the USA(46 million) are more than double that of Genesis. Genesis has no IFPI awards at all. But then again they have only released two albums since 1994. U2 has two huge selling albums on the IFPI charts.

Kenny Rogers- sold 50.5 million albums in the USA, no IFPI awards, and only 860,000 in sales in the UK. I'd put his global sales at 60 million copies. Country does not sale beyond North America unless your name is Shania Twain.

Aerosmith-I'd put them at 83 million worldwide because of low total UK sales of 960,000. If their UK sales were on par with American sales, they would have sold 13 million there, but their lightyears away from that. The IFPI certifies two awards for them, 1 million for nine Lives, and 1 million for Big ones. Aerosmiths albums did not even crack the British top 100 in the 70s. It is only in the 90s that they have gained an international audiance and judging by their sales in Europe, this audiance is a tiny fraction of the total album sales currently.

Black Sabbath- 15 million in the USA only 500,000 in the UK. Thats right, Black Sabbath had only 5 silver(60,000) albums and two gold(100,000) albums in the UK. Chance they sold 100 million albums worldwide, not a chance in hell. Most likely only 20-25 million worldwide. Black Sabbath has huge appeal in the USA but not outside the USA. Another hardrock/metal act depending on an American audiance much like Creed does today.

Ozzy Osbourne- 27 million copies sold in the USA, only 240,000 copies sold in the UK! Thats right OZZY only has four albums that sold enough to recieve a silver award(60,000). Jeez, even U2 back in 81 and 82 before they were popular and the WAR album were able to do that. I'd put his global total at somewhere between 30 and 35 million.

OZZY/SABBATH combined at most of sold 60 million albums worldwide and thats probably a little of an overestimate.

The UK market is 10% of the world market outside the USA and acts successful in America that are unable to penetrate the UK are unlikely to be able to penetrate non-English speaking countries. I know this because of the UK British Album chart book I have and other global chart data from Billboard. Of course there are always a few exceptions, but that is extremely rare. Here is the BPI site: www.bpi.co.uk/ .
 
yeah, i just couldn't believe the Black Sabbath thing either, so i didn't include them. Kenny Rogers also seems pretty far-fetched. I think what happens is that record companies put out statements like "100 million UNITS sold" and this turns into sources picking it up and turning it into 100 million albums sold.

(Sting, do you think this also effects the sales stats for artists like the Beatles, Zepplin, Elvis, etc...?)

I still stick by Genesis and Aerosmith. I can't stand either band, but they are at or darn close to 100 million. The lowest estimate I saw was 86 million right before Just Push Play came out. So at least I will give them 90 million.

One artist that I saw on Stings list that I can't find any sources to back up the 100 million albums sold claim is Bruce Springsteen. Nowhere can I find it, and I do highly doubt he has sold that much worldwide.

Also Sting, what do you think about Whitney Houston. 52 million in the States, but I really have no clue about her worldwide success. Same goes for Mariah Carey with 53 million U.S. sales.
I have found sources that claim this amount for both of them, but still not sure.
 
The Beatles have a their entire catalog from basically the 60s and back then platinum certifications did not exist. It was not until the 90s that the Beatles started to recieve certifications for their albums. I have not looked at the BPI to see if the Beatles stuffed has been recertified or not. Same with Elvis. Of course, looking at RIAA, you can see the Beatles are on top in the USA with over 150 million albums sold. Elvis is not far behind with over 80 million. This is only in the USA and it represents only 1/3 of the world market. The Beatles today are still the best known western rock band worldwide. Elvis is still the best known singer worldwide. So its safe to say their album sales outside the USA are probably double of their USA totals.

Led Zeppelin is a different cat. Obviously massively successful in the USA, but perhaps not as much so for the UK and other places. I have yet to check the BPI on them to see if their catalog has been recertified. One thing about Led Zeppelin though is that they rarely released singles, so when you see sales figures for them, its all albums.

Certification started in 1958 for albums with the Gold award for 500,000 copies sold. As the business grew, the platinum award for 1 million in sales came out in 1976. Then in October of 1984, multi-platinum awards were introduced. This is for the USA and UK.

Ahh yes the twin sisters Carey and Houston. Billboard magazine had a feature on one of them a few years ago in which they were both tied at 115 million. But with Madonna ahead at 120 million. I'd say they are both safe bets for over 100 million based on their very successful album chart performance worldwide. Madonna is huge in the UK, bigger than U2 at 12 million copies sold in the UK to U2s 9 million. I'll have to look at the others to see.

I'll check on the BOSS as well. I know he played stadiums through out Europe on the Born In The USA tour and played several stadiums there on a tour 3 years ago. I'm betting that from "BORN IN THE USA" on his albums sales are very large. But I'll have to take a look.
 
I just checked Springsteen and your right, I would put his album sales at 80 million. I had to subtract 9 million off his Live Boxset to get that number. The Boxset went triple platinum in the 80s before you could count each disc in the box as a single album sale. Then when you could count them in the 90s, it vaulted in one certification to 12 million. But only 3 million boxsets had been sold, so 3 million is what I go with. That brought the global total down to 80 million. By the way, the BPI, and IFPI do not count each disc in a double album or boxset, they just count the package as one unlike RIAA. So 80 million for Springsteen worldwide. By the way, I really think Aerosmith has only done around 73 million worldwide, I know I said 83 million above, but I just can't find audited evidence that would suggest more than this. Just as a comparison, Springsteen has sold 3,180,000 albums in the United Kingdom, while Aerosmith has only done 960,000. Since the UK is a good indication of the level of success outside the USA, and the UK is 1/10 of the world music market outside the USA, I multiplied the UK totals by 10 and then add them to the USA total to arrive at the Global total. Certainly not exact, but still based on audited evidence and the fact that its unlikely to succeed in Italy, France or Germany, if you can't penetrate the UK market. From the IFPI, I found that Bruce Springsteens Greatest Hits had sold 3 million copies in Europe alone as of 1996 and "The Ghost Of Tom Joad" had sold 1 million.

In any event, I'd say both definitely have yet to cross the 100 million album sales mark. But I'd say Springsteen is definitely slightly ahead of Aerosmith on a global basis. The BPI shows that his sales are triple that of Aerosmiths in England, and with albums released since 1994 in Europe, Springsteens total from two albums is 4 million to Aerosmiths 2 million. In the USA, Springsteen is only slightly behind Aerosmith.
 
Here is what I found for Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston. Houston had sales of 5.4 million total in the UK. Her sales in Europe for albums released since 1994 is 6 million copies from two albums. Carey had 3.4 million in albums sales in the UK. Her sales in Europe for albums released since January 1994 were 7 million, but that was from four albums! That was pretty damning evidence against Carey having sold more than 100 million albums worldwide. Her Wild Card possiblity is Japan, where unlike most western artist, she has penetrated the second largest music market in the world and been very successful.

With my estimates I got 87 million for Carey, and 106 million for Houston. I had seen both a couple of years ago at 115 millon. It looks like Houston is definitely on the mark, with Carey a big question still. Although my estimate for Carey is 87 million, because of her unusual success in Japan (world's 2nd largest music market) I'm going to say she has past the 100 million mark. I do not know the sales figures for Japan, only that she played the 50,000 seat Tokyo Dome 7 nights in a row!

Western artist success in Japan is rare and few albums released there ever crack the top 10. Japanese like Japanese artists. I think Aerosmith may have had some success in the Japanese market but not on the Scale of Mariah Carey. Still that could give them more of a boost towards the 100 million level. Perhaps 90 million is more like it.
 
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good work STing. Japan is a definite wildcard. It is very interesting some of the acts that become popular there (ie. Carey, The Carpenters, etc...)

So i guess after all is said and done, there are probably about 20 artists, give or take a few that can claim 100 million albums sold, and U2 is most likely in the top 10 of those artists.

That was a fun assignment :)
 
Re: wow

MacPhisto066 said:
that's pretty impressive guys. like usual.
thanks for the time and the hardwork.

Oh you're very welcome. :D

Oh wait, I didn't add anything to this thread... never mind. :sexywink:

Actually, STING2's point about Japan is very valid. Japan is the second largest movie industry, behind the U.S. Often a movie might even gross more in Japan than it does in the U.S.! Therefore, if Japan can really help a movie's overseas box office, I'm sure it can also help an artist's CD sales.

Of course, finding one source that lists all sales info. is probably impossible - which is too bad. I wonder... perhaps we all can do that here then charge $$ for people to view our results - like SoundScan. :lol: Of course, at present, I'd be happy to see official sales figures for U2's albums, let alone other artists.
 
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