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Old 07-16-2017, 10:38 AM   #91
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There isn't a snowball's chance in hell the JT30 configuration is only 8k less than 360.
Taylor Swift did the following with the same configuration as JT30

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October 17, 2015
Arlington Texas
AT&T Stadium
Attendance: 62,630
Capacity: 62,630
Gross: $7,396,733
Shows: 1
Sellouts: 1
Average Ticket Price: $118.10

The 360 configuration can fit more than 70,000, but U2 set the capacity at 70,000 for that show. The 270 configuration can obviously fit far more than just 49,700 as seen with the Taylor Swift show at 62,630. So yes, the 360 show crushed the JT 30 show in terms of attendance.

This is not the only city where this is happening. Happened in Pittsburgh as well.
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Didn't the Dallas show sell out the first day? Like, not "sell out" like Pittsburgh did, but legitimately sell out, as in couldn't buy tickets anymore?

U2 did to 49,087 this year with an end stage concert.
U2 did 70,766 in 2009
Coldplay did 52,538.
Metallica did 45,860
Rolling Stones did 47,535
GNR did 39,015 / 43,449
Beyonce did 42,235
Tay Sway did 62,630 in 2015
Tay Sway did 53,020 in 2013
Tay Sway did 55,451 in 2011
Kenny Chesney did 47,269 / 50,427 in 2013
One Direction did 51,074
George Strait did 104,793
Paul McCartney did 35,903

U2 2009 and George Strait were 360 shows, and it's been established that U2 didn't fully "sell out" their 2009 show. GS is a Texas man, was playing his final show (turned out not to be his final show) and couldn't pull in anywhere near those numbers anywhere else in the world, so that's a special circumstance. MOST concerts held there seem to hold on an average 50,000, with an end stage show. In a stadium that big, with different stage configurations, its pointless to argue about crowd sizes within a few thousand of each other. I believe U2 sold all available tickets in 2017 in Dallas.
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Didn't the Dallas show sell out the first day? Like, not "sell out" like Pittsburgh did, but legitimately sell out, as in couldn't buy tickets anymore?

U2 did to 49,087 this year with an end stage concert.
U2 did 70,766 in 2009
Coldplay did 52,538.
Metallica did 45,860
Rolling Stones did 47,535
GNR did 39,015 / 43,449
Beyonce did 42,235
Tay Sway did 62,630 in 2015
Tay Sway did 53,020 in 2013
Tay Sway did 55,451 in 2011
Kenny Chesney did 47,269 / 50,427 in 2013
One Direction did 51,074
George Strait did 104,793
Paul McCartney did 35,903

U2 2009 and George Strait were 360 shows, and it's been established that U2 didn't fully "sell out" their 2009 show. GS is a Texas man, was playing his final show (turned out not to be his final show) and couldn't pull in anywhere near those numbers anywhere else in the world, so that's a special circumstance. MOST concerts held there seem to hold on an average 50,000, with an end stage show. In a stadium that big, with different stage configurations, its pointless to argue about crowd sizes within a few thousand of each other. I believe U2 sold all available tickets in 2017 in Dallas.
AT&T stadium is one of the largest stadiums in the world. Its fact that Taylor Swift did an end stage 270 configuration show like JT and was able to fit 62,630. For whatever reason, U2 decided to cap the show at 49,087. U2 could have gotten a lot more out of the 270 configuration. Notice a smaller stadium like Lincoln Financial Field they were able to fit 56,000 people.

I find this very interesting that the 360 tour is actually beating JT in attendance in various cities in the United States and its not just because of extra seating. NLOTH and the marketing push behind it obviously had more impact than many people think.
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I find this very interesting that the 360 tour is actually beating JT in attendance in various cities in the United States and its not just because of extra seating. NLOTH and the marketing push behind it obviously had more impact than many people think.
I find it very interesting that there's more surface area on this Danish than on that donut. Must have been the great marketing plan put forward by Big Danish.
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I find it very interesting that there's more surface area on this Danish than on that donut. Must have been the great marketing plan put forward by Big Danish.
Taylor Swift used the same surface area as U2 and got 62,630 for AT&T stadium while U2 only got 49,087 on JT30. Taylor Swift used less surface area than U2 for the Pittsburgh show on the Red Tour and got 56,047 attendance to U2's 360 attendance of 55,823. JT30 only had 41,413.

Those are the indisputable facts. In several markets, U2 360 outperforms JT30 in attendance and not because of the extra available seating. JT30 failed to sellout all physically available space in a 270 configuration in several of these markets meaning the 360 tour beat it.
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Then why did Taylor Swift sell out the stadium in 2011 and 2013 with *only* 55,000 ish people? They did something different to accommodate an extra 10,000 people somewhere. U2 sold all that they could sell, based on the fact that you couldn't get on ticketmaster and buy any tickets. Maybe they could have slid the stage back a bit and added a few more thousand people. But U2 sold out that concert months before the show. The fact that The Stones, Coldplay, and all the other shows I posted also sold mostly in the 50,000ish ballpark back up the fact that for the standard end stage configuration, that's the capacity. I know that some of those shows didn't really "sell out", but a lot of them did. I know Coldplay sold that place out immediately after they went on sale, there were no more tickets available due to the "Super Bowl effect", and yet they only had 52,000. If there was a way they could've sold an extra 10,000 tickets without changing their stage, they would've done it.

Pittsburgh, on the other hand, was about 10,000 short of selling what it potentially could have.
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Those are the indisputable facts. In several markets, U2 360 outperforms JT30 in attendance and not because of the extra available seating. JT30 failed to sellout all physically available space in a 270 configuration in several of these markets meaning the 360 tour beat it.
It seems that the only one that they didn't sell out was Pittsburgh. Sure, there maybe have been a few unsold seats here and there in Louisville or Houston, but not enough to make an impact. Obviously 360 outperforms JT30 on all levels... that was always assumed.
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U2360 had 20 to 30k more tickets available than JT30, and this putz is trying to figure out why 360 sold more tickets. What a world, what a world.
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U2360 had 20 to 30k more tickets available than JT30, and this putz is trying to figure out why 360 sold more tickets. What a world, what a world.
Because NLOTH was clearly more popular than The Joshua Tree....do try and keep up.
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U2360 had 20 to 30k more tickets available than JT30, and this putz is trying to figure out why 360 sold more tickets. What a world, what a world.
Well, see you still don't understand what I explained, I'll try one more time.

Heinz Field was played by Taylor Swift in configuration the same as JT30, a 270 configuration.

56,000 people were in attendance for Taylor Swift.

55,000 people were in attendance for U2 at Heinz Field on 360
41,000 people in attendance for U2 at Heinz field on JT30.

Lesson: Although the 360 configuration does potentially allow for greater seating, it does not mean attendance will automatically be higher. In fact, Taylor Swift had higher attendance with her 270 configuration show than U2's 360 show.

Dallas Texas or Arlington Texas

U2 360 70,000 attendance
U2 JT30 49,000 attendance
Taylor Swift 62,680 attendance

Lesson: AT&T Stadium is a large stadium and as Taylor Swift showed and can fit 62,000 people in a 270 configuration, meaning that U2 JT30 was at least 13,000 tickets shy of full capacity.

Just because the 360 configuration allows for more physical capacity does not mean attendance is necessarily going to be higher. Otherwise Taylor Swift would not be beating U2 in attendance or coming close to it with 270 configuration shows.
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Because NLOTH was clearly more popular than The Joshua Tree....do try and keep up.
It is very revealing that 360 had 55,000 people in Pittsburgh and JT30 only had 41,000. Again, the Pittsburgh show had empty seats all across the upper level sections on both sides. Its interesting that a tour for NLOTH did better in Pittsburgh than a nostalgia tour for the bands most popular album did. Same thing happened in Dallas given that the 270 configuration there can fit over 62,000 people and U2 only had 49,000.
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